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Kelpie,
Some fairly dodgy figures you're quoting there. Qantas share price yesterday was $2.09 v $2.91 on October 25th which was the peak closing price in the last 6 months. Therefore a 28% decline.
If you compare against other international airlines, Qantas is 30% below it's 12 month peak. Cathay is 24% below, SIA is 19% below, Delta is 33% below. The common theme is oil.
Almost a 50% drop in share value in the last 6 months!!!
If you compare against other international airlines, Qantas is 30% below it's 12 month peak. Cathay is 24% below, SIA is 19% below, Delta is 33% below. The common theme is oil.
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The Kings New Clothes
THE KING'S NEW CLOTHES
>From the film "Hans Christian Andersen" (1952)
(Frank Loesser - Based on the 1837 children's story
"The Emperor's New Clothes" by Hans Christian Andersen)
Danny Kaye (Film Soundtrack) - 1952
This is the story of the King's new clothes.
Now there was once a king who was absolutely insane about
new clothes and one day, two swindlers came to sell him what
they said was a magic suit of clothes. Now, they held up this
particular garment and they said, "Your Majesty, this is a magic suit."
Well, the truth of the matter is, there was no suit there at all.
But the swindlers were very smart, and they said,
"Your Majesty, to a wise man this is a beautiful raiment
but to a fool it is absolutely invisible."
Naturally, the King not wanting to appear a fool, said:
"Isn't it grand! Isn't it fine! Look at the cut, the style, the line!
The suit of clothes is altogether, but altogether it's altogether
The most remarkable suit of clothes that I have ever seen.
These eyes of mine at once determined
The sleeves are velvet, the cape is ermine
The hose are blue and the doublet is a lovely shade of green
Somebody send for the Queen"
Well they sent for the Queen and they quickly explained to her
about the magic suit of clothes. And naturally,
the Queen not wanting to appear a fool, said:
"Well, isn't it oh! Isn't it rich! Look at the charm of every stitch!
The suit of clothes is altogether, but altogether it's altogether
The most remarkable suit of clothes that I have ever seen
These eyes of mine at once determined
The sleeves are velvet, the cape is ermine
The hose are blue and the doublet is a lovely shade of green
Summon the court to convene"
Well the court convened, and you never saw in your life
as many people as were at that court. All the ambassadors,
the dukes, the earls, the counts, it was just packed with people,
and they were all told about the magic suit of clothes.
And after they were told they
naturally didn't want to appear fools and they said:
"Isn't it ohhh! Isn't it ahhh! Isn't it absolutely wheee! (whistle sound)
The suit of clothes is altogether, but altogether, it's altogether
The most remarkable suit of clothes a tailor ever made
Now quickly, put it altogether
With gloves of leather and hat and feather
It's altogether the thing to wear in Saturday's parade
Leading the royal brigade"
Now Saturday came and the streets were just
lined with thousands and thousands and thousands of people.
And they all were cheering as the artillery came by, the infantry marched by,
the cavalry galloped by. And everybody was cheering like mad,
except one little boy. You see, he hadn't heard about
the magic suit and didn't know what he was supposed to see.
Well, as the King came by the little boy looked and, horrified, said:
"Look at the King! Look at the the King! Look at the King, the King, the King!
The King is in the altogether, but altogether, the altogether
He's altogether as naked as the day that he was born
The King is in the altogether, but altogether, the altogether
It's altogether the very least the King has ever worn"
Summon the court physician! Call an intermission!
His majesty is wide open to ridicule and scorn.
The King is in the altogether, but all together, the altogether
He's altogether as naked as the day that he was born
And it's altogether too chilly a morn!
Any similarities?
>From the film "Hans Christian Andersen" (1952)
(Frank Loesser - Based on the 1837 children's story
"The Emperor's New Clothes" by Hans Christian Andersen)
Danny Kaye (Film Soundtrack) - 1952
This is the story of the King's new clothes.
Now there was once a king who was absolutely insane about
new clothes and one day, two swindlers came to sell him what
they said was a magic suit of clothes. Now, they held up this
particular garment and they said, "Your Majesty, this is a magic suit."
Well, the truth of the matter is, there was no suit there at all.
But the swindlers were very smart, and they said,
"Your Majesty, to a wise man this is a beautiful raiment
but to a fool it is absolutely invisible."
Naturally, the King not wanting to appear a fool, said:
"Isn't it grand! Isn't it fine! Look at the cut, the style, the line!
The suit of clothes is altogether, but altogether it's altogether
The most remarkable suit of clothes that I have ever seen.
These eyes of mine at once determined
The sleeves are velvet, the cape is ermine
The hose are blue and the doublet is a lovely shade of green
Somebody send for the Queen"
Well they sent for the Queen and they quickly explained to her
about the magic suit of clothes. And naturally,
the Queen not wanting to appear a fool, said:
"Well, isn't it oh! Isn't it rich! Look at the charm of every stitch!
The suit of clothes is altogether, but altogether it's altogether
The most remarkable suit of clothes that I have ever seen
These eyes of mine at once determined
The sleeves are velvet, the cape is ermine
The hose are blue and the doublet is a lovely shade of green
Summon the court to convene"
Well the court convened, and you never saw in your life
as many people as were at that court. All the ambassadors,
the dukes, the earls, the counts, it was just packed with people,
and they were all told about the magic suit of clothes.
And after they were told they
naturally didn't want to appear fools and they said:
"Isn't it ohhh! Isn't it ahhh! Isn't it absolutely wheee! (whistle sound)
The suit of clothes is altogether, but altogether, it's altogether
The most remarkable suit of clothes a tailor ever made
Now quickly, put it altogether
With gloves of leather and hat and feather
It's altogether the thing to wear in Saturday's parade
Leading the royal brigade"
Now Saturday came and the streets were just
lined with thousands and thousands and thousands of people.
And they all were cheering as the artillery came by, the infantry marched by,
the cavalry galloped by. And everybody was cheering like mad,
except one little boy. You see, he hadn't heard about
the magic suit and didn't know what he was supposed to see.
Well, as the King came by the little boy looked and, horrified, said:
"Look at the King! Look at the the King! Look at the King, the King, the King!
The King is in the altogether, but altogether, the altogether
He's altogether as naked as the day that he was born
The King is in the altogether, but altogether, the altogether
It's altogether the very least the King has ever worn"
Summon the court physician! Call an intermission!
His majesty is wide open to ridicule and scorn.
The King is in the altogether, but all together, the altogether
He's altogether as naked as the day that he was born
And it's altogether too chilly a morn!
Any similarities?
On the subject of avoidance of TAX, superanuation, and workplace obligations, were are the stood down J* cadets at?
It seems they're not the only ones to have worked illegally in OZ. Two Direct Entry F/O pilots that I know of (so there must be many more), employed under the NZ/Singapore A320/330 scam are currently finishing their A320 line training in Australia, whilst being paid under the NZ contract!
Do those conducting the training have the first clue that they may be operating illegally? Do they even care? Have Jetstar pilots effectively had their 'Nads removed after the Joe Eakins affair?
Why are they still flying?
It seems they're not the only ones to have worked illegally in OZ. Two Direct Entry F/O pilots that I know of (so there must be many more), employed under the NZ/Singapore A320/330 scam are currently finishing their A320 line training in Australia, whilst being paid under the NZ contract!
Do those conducting the training have the first clue that they may be operating illegally? Do they even care? Have Jetstar pilots effectively had their 'Nads removed after the Joe Eakins affair?
Why are they still flying?
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In the military we staged "tests" when we deliberately made sure that things did not go according to plan. We made those things happen in ways that the candidate was unaware of. We deliberately set guys up to fail, starting with getting them pissed the night before, then feeding them bullsh1te, then telling them to work with troops who were in on the joke.
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Krusty
If you are in the union please can you make them aware of this as there is specific correspondence (albeit carefully worded) on foot that denies that this is happening.
Cheers
The kelpie
If you are in the union please can you make them aware of this as there is specific correspondence (albeit carefully worded) on foot that denies that this is happening.
Cheers
The kelpie
In the military we staged "tests" when we deliberately made sure that things did not go according to plan. We made those things happen in ways that the candidate was unaware of. We deliberately set guys up to fail, starting with getting them pissed the night before, then feeding them bullsh1te, then telling them to work with troops who were in on the joke.
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Immigration Dob-In Line 1800 009 623
Two Direct Entry F/O pilots that I know of (so there must be many more), employed under the NZ/Singapore A320/330 scam are currently finishing their A320 line training in Australia, whilst being paid under the NZ contract!
Please provide this information to the Immigration Department, your union and your local Member of Parliament.
Immigration Dob-in Line: 1800 009 623
Use this toll free number to advise the department, about a person working or living illegally in Australia or an employer not meeting their sponsorship obligations under the Temporary Business 457 visa program.
Hours of operation: Monday to Friday 8.30 am to 4.30 pm AEST (voicemail facility available out of these hours).
We need to do all we can to fight this circumvention of the Australian EBA.
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Some new submissions have been posted regarding the enquiry inlcuding one from our fine Assocation.
Parliament of Australia: Senate: Committees: Rural Affairs and Transport Committee: Pilot training and airline safety including consideration of the Transport Safety Investigation Amendment (Incident Reports) Bill 2010: Submissions Received
Parliament of Australia: Senate: Committees: Rural Affairs and Transport Committee: Pilot training and airline safety including consideration of the Transport Safety Investigation Amendment (Incident Reports) Bill 2010: Submissions Received
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Can someone please advise of current ramifications of Jetstar actions.
Are low hour cadets now legally flying in Australia without CASA approval on Australian contracts?
If I am mistaken I apologise in advance, just trying to understand.
Are low hour cadets now legally flying in Australia without CASA approval on Australian contracts?
If I am mistaken I apologise in advance, just trying to understand.
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CASA is only involved with pilot licencing. Employment T&C/EBA/contracts are under the jurisdiction of Fair Work Australia. They are two separate issues.
The Senate committee can investigate anything it chooses. The net is being cast wider by the day...
The Senate committee can investigate anything it chooses. The net is being cast wider by the day...
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In the military we staged "tests" when we deliberately made sure that things did not go according to plan. We made those things happen in ways that the candidate was unaware of. We deliberately set guys up to fail, starting with getting them pissed the night before, then feeding them bullsh1te, then telling them to work with troops who were in on the joke.
People want to be good at their job yet never get to really experiment or practice. Its always all or nothing.
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Are low hour cadets now legally flying in Australia without CASA approval on Australian contracts?
Would you all get off your high horses about the cadet program!!!
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If you seriously think a cadet from the Jetstar cadet program is anything like an Airforce Flying Officer with 200 hours then you are a fool! Chalk and cheese. One takes the best and brightest and the other takes a pulse and a wallet IMHO.
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Explain how they can be chalk and cheese?
Both pilots go through a selection process and are trained on structured courses which are designed to produce a specific product to do a specific job.
You guys just don't like the cadet program because it wasn't an option for you when you started, so you lost years in GA, whereas I get to where I want to be now.
If you want to bash low hour pilots flying heavy jets you MUST include the airforce...
If you want to bash the quality of the training Jetstar is giving us then give proof of how poor the training is..(something no one has done)
So which one is it PPRUNE???? Is it the time in our logbooks or the training you are upset about???
Both pilots go through a selection process and are trained on structured courses which are designed to produce a specific product to do a specific job.
You guys just don't like the cadet program because it wasn't an option for you when you started, so you lost years in GA, whereas I get to where I want to be now.
If you want to bash low hour pilots flying heavy jets you MUST include the airforce...
If you want to bash the quality of the training Jetstar is giving us then give proof of how poor the training is..(something no one has done)
So which one is it PPRUNE???? Is it the time in our logbooks or the training you are upset about???
Well there you go Orange Star. Your handle, age, and number of posts sort of say's it all.
RAAF pilots are not self funded, they are screened and picked from a very select criteria, and far from being exploited, they are on the whole consumate professionals who's training bears absulutely no comparison to what I'm guessing is the path you have taken. Sorry to bust your bubble but that's just the way it is.
I'm assuming they taught reading comprehension at the High school you recently graduated from. Have a read (closely) of the Cadet threads, especially those associated with the Jetstar scam, and you will see that the common theme is one of outrage against the exploitation of individuals who apparently do not know any better. If you feel this is a personal attack against Cadets, then you really haven't grasped the situation
If it weren't for the profound effect that these type of scams are having on the profession as a whole, then most professional pilots would probably not bother trying to educate the young and ilinformed as to the dangers ahead.
When it all turns to Cr@p, at least you can't say you weren't warned!
P.S. Thanks What the, I was typing while you were posting.
RAAF pilots are not self funded, they are screened and picked from a very select criteria, and far from being exploited, they are on the whole consumate professionals who's training bears absulutely no comparison to what I'm guessing is the path you have taken. Sorry to bust your bubble but that's just the way it is.
I'm assuming they taught reading comprehension at the High school you recently graduated from. Have a read (closely) of the Cadet threads, especially those associated with the Jetstar scam, and you will see that the common theme is one of outrage against the exploitation of individuals who apparently do not know any better. If you feel this is a personal attack against Cadets, then you really haven't grasped the situation
If it weren't for the profound effect that these type of scams are having on the profession as a whole, then most professional pilots would probably not bother trying to educate the young and ilinformed as to the dangers ahead.
When it all turns to Cr@p, at least you can't say you weren't warned!
P.S. Thanks What the, I was typing while you were posting.