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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 02:31
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Share price and Airline struggle

Unrealistic pricing for airfares countrywide.

For the millionth time this isn't: Europe/Asia/US.
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 03:15
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On the subject of avoidance of TAX, superanuation, and workplace obligations, were are the stood down J* cadets at?

It seems they're not the only ones to have worked illegally in OZ. Two Direct Entry F/O pilots that I know of (so there must be many more), employed under the NZ/Singapore A320/330 scam are currently finishing their A320 line training in Australia, whilst being paid under the NZ contract!

Do those conducting the training have the first clue that they may be operating illegally? Do they even care? Have Jetstar pilots effectively had their 'Nads removed after the Joe Eakins affair?

Why are they still flying?
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 03:29
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In the military we staged "tests" when we deliberately made sure that things did not go according to plan. We made those things happen in ways that the candidate was unaware of. We deliberately set guys up to fail, starting with getting them pissed the night before, then feeding them bullsh1te, then telling them to work with troops who were in on the joke.
Wow, glad I gave the military a wide burth.... At least the instructors we have try to get us through to the end...
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 03:36
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Krusty

If you are in the union please can you make them aware of this as there is specific correspondence (albeit carefully worded) on foot that denies that this is happening.

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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 03:48
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In the military we staged "tests" when we deliberately made sure that things did not go according to plan. We made those things happen in ways that the candidate was unaware of. We deliberately set guys up to fail, starting with getting them pissed the night before, then feeding them bullsh1te, then telling them to work with troops who were in on the joke.
And this is how the ex military guys continue to operate on civy street.
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 03:55
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Immigration Dob-In Line 1800 009 623

Two Direct Entry F/O pilots that I know of (so there must be many more), employed under the NZ/Singapore A320/330 scam are currently finishing their A320 line training in Australia, whilst being paid under the NZ contract!

Please provide this information to the Immigration Department, your union and your local Member of Parliament.

Immigration Dob-in Line: 1800 009 623

Use this toll free number to advise the department, about a person working or living illegally in Australia or an employer not meeting their sponsorship obligations under the Temporary Business 457 visa program.

Hours of operation: Monday to Friday 8.30 am to 4.30 pm AEST (voicemail facility available out of these hours).

We need to do all we can to fight this circumvention of the Australian EBA.

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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 07:12
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Next hearing 31st March!!

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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 07:31
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Can someone please advise of current ramifications of Jetstar actions.

Are low hour cadets now legally flying in Australia without CASA approval on Australian contracts?

If I am mistaken I apologise in advance, just trying to understand.
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 07:38
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CASA is only involved with pilot licencing. Employment T&C/EBA/contracts are under the jurisdiction of Fair Work Australia. They are two separate issues.
The Senate committee can investigate anything it chooses. The net is being cast wider by the day...
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 08:06
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In the military we staged "tests" when we deliberately made sure that things did not go according to plan. We made those things happen in ways that the candidate was unaware of. We deliberately set guys up to fail, starting with getting them pissed the night before, then feeding them bullsh1te, then telling them to work with troops who were in on the joke.
Military or Paramilitary tactics have no place in an Airline environment. What is needed is more practice so pilots can go beyond the standard ticking the CASA box.

People want to be good at their job yet never get to really experiment or practice. Its always all or nothing.
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 09:07
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Are low hour cadets now legally flying in Australia without CASA approval on Australian contracts?
Yes they are flying as co-pilots on A320s, B737 Wegetail, C-17, C-130, P3, EVEN THE PRIME MINISTER'S PLANE!!!!!

Would you all get off your high horses about the cadet program!!!
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 09:15
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If you seriously think a cadet from the Jetstar cadet program is anything like an Airforce Flying Officer with 200 hours then you are a fool! Chalk and cheese. One takes the best and brightest and the other takes a pulse and a wallet IMHO.
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 09:29
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Explain how they can be chalk and cheese?

Both pilots go through a selection process and are trained on structured courses which are designed to produce a specific product to do a specific job.

You guys just don't like the cadet program because it wasn't an option for you when you started, so you lost years in GA, whereas I get to where I want to be now.

If you want to bash low hour pilots flying heavy jets you MUST include the airforce...

If you want to bash the quality of the training Jetstar is giving us then give proof of how poor the training is..(something no one has done)

So which one is it PPRuNe???? Is it the time in our logbooks or the training you are upset about???
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 09:30
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Well there you go Orange Star. Your handle, age, and number of posts sort of say's it all.

RAAF pilots are not self funded, they are screened and picked from a very select criteria, and far from being exploited, they are on the whole consumate professionals who's training bears absulutely no comparison to what I'm guessing is the path you have taken. Sorry to bust your bubble but that's just the way it is.

I'm assuming they taught reading comprehension at the High school you recently graduated from. Have a read (closely) of the Cadet threads, especially those associated with the Jetstar scam, and you will see that the common theme is one of outrage against the exploitation of individuals who apparently do not know any better. If you feel this is a personal attack against Cadets, then you really haven't grasped the situation

If it weren't for the profound effect that these type of scams are having on the profession as a whole, then most professional pilots would probably not bother trying to educate the young and ilinformed as to the dangers ahead.

When it all turns to [email protected], at least you can't say you weren't warned!

P.S. Thanks What the, I was typing while you were posting.
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 09:35
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Orange, I would be careful comparing air force training with the cadet program, in terms of producing competent low hour pilots. Quite different beasts they be...
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 09:42
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Hey Orange Star
Maybe your handle should be changed to "The Chocolate Star"
That's the impression you are giving.
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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 09:52
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wot gligg said.

Been there, done that.

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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 09:53
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B Scale is here

Unfortunately it looks like the intel i received a couple of weeks ago has turned out to be true...

The Aussie B Scale has arrived at J*.

It is very disappointing that AIPA and the JPC was not able to do more to stop this...



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Old 23rd Mar 2011, 09:54
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Whilst I agree that OrangeStar may have overstepped the mark in comparing JQ cadets with the best & brightest of our military forces, I'm also getting a bit sick & tired of the cadet bashing. Cadets are not the problem. As the saying goes: play the ball, not the man. Focus on venting your energies at the devious lowlifes who orchestrate these programs for the sake of saving dollars & maximising their bonuses - instead of the young guys & girls who are just trying to get their foot in the door whatever way they can. Whether their decision to do so via the JQ cadet scheme is the smartest way to do it is, of course, an individual thing for each of them to contend with.
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