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All very hush hush about tomorrow. I am surprised the schedule has not been published yet, just sitting as TBA at the moment.
It is not unusual for the broadcast not to be listed until the day of the hearing.
Word is that it is an all day thing with morning witnesses (rumoured to be pilots) being held 'in camera' and therefore in private and unbroadcast and then the rest in the afternoon although Joyce and Buchanan have requested that some of their evidence be heard 'in camera' also.
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It is not unusual for the broadcast not to be listed until the day of the hearing.
Word is that it is an all day thing with morning witnesses (rumoured to be pilots) being held 'in camera' and therefore in private and unbroadcast and then the rest in the afternoon although Joyce and Buchanan have requested that some of their evidence be heard 'in camera' also.
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This is what can happen overseas
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Delhi to investigate 4500 pilot licences
EVEN the most cavalier passengers knew something was amiss onboard IndiGo airlines' January 11 flight from Goa when it landed with a terrifying, lurching thud - nose wheel first - on the New Delhi tarmac.
The flight's captain, Parminder Kaur Gulati, may have been the only one that day to see nothing awry in the unconventional and perilous landing.
A subsequent investigation determined she had done it 15 times before. More distressing still was the discovery that Ms Gulati, 38, had failed one of her pilot exams and then forged her results to obtain her licence.
"Only a woman could do it,'' read an ensuing headline - one of several predictable joke lines that followed, besmirching women drivers.
As it turns out, Parminder Gulati was merely the tip of the iceberg. With a second pilot arrested for licence fraud on the weekend and an alert issued for two more absconders, India's Civil Aviation Minister Vayalar Ravi has been forced to launch a national investigation into the validity of more than 4500 Indian pilot licences.
"I have directed the DGCA (Directorate General of Civil Aviation) to examine all the licences issued in the past and to establish a procedure for more detailed verification while issuing such licences,'' Mr Ravi told parliament on Tuesday.
"I propose to set up an expert committee in the ministry to examine the current examination system, need for introduction of e-technology, new procedures and process and effective system of cross-verification of documents filed by candidates for various licences in DGCA.''
In a country where it is not uncommon for parents to present their children with a driver's licence inside their 18th birthday cards, the notion that some pilot licences may have been bought rather than earned should not come as such a surprise.
India's airlines have struggled in recent years to recruit enough pilots to keep up with demand for air travel among India's rapidly expanding middle classes.
But the revelations have shaken the community at a time when billion-dollar government corruption scams are dominating the national headlines.
Adding to the Indian aviation industry's woes - and passenger anxiety - this month is a report revealing 57 pilots were caught drunk on duty in the past two years, but only 10 were dismissed.
Mr Ravi said the remaining 47 pilots were either issued warning letters or removed from flying duties for a short period.
The Indian Pilots Guild has also called for an end to "nepotism and corruption'', citing the recruitment last year of the son of an Air India commander to its low-cost carrier Air India Express after he failed a compulsory written pilot's test.
In January this year, the same man was promoted to Air India's much sought-after Boeing 777 training program.
Last May, a plane crash in southern India killed 158 people and an official investigation later blamed it on a "sleepy pilot''
EVEN the most cavalier passengers knew something was amiss onboard IndiGo airlines' January 11 flight from Goa when it landed with a terrifying, lurching thud - nose wheel first - on the New Delhi tarmac.
The flight's captain, Parminder Kaur Gulati, may have been the only one that day to see nothing awry in the unconventional and perilous landing.
A subsequent investigation determined she had done it 15 times before. More distressing still was the discovery that Ms Gulati, 38, had failed one of her pilot exams and then forged her results to obtain her licence.
"Only a woman could do it,'' read an ensuing headline - one of several predictable joke lines that followed, besmirching women drivers.
As it turns out, Parminder Gulati was merely the tip of the iceberg. With a second pilot arrested for licence fraud on the weekend and an alert issued for two more absconders, India's Civil Aviation Minister Vayalar Ravi has been forced to launch a national investigation into the validity of more than 4500 Indian pilot licences.
"I have directed the DGCA (Directorate General of Civil Aviation) to examine all the licences issued in the past and to establish a procedure for more detailed verification while issuing such licences,'' Mr Ravi told parliament on Tuesday.
"I propose to set up an expert committee in the ministry to examine the current examination system, need for introduction of e-technology, new procedures and process and effective system of cross-verification of documents filed by candidates for various licences in DGCA.''
In a country where it is not uncommon for parents to present their children with a driver's licence inside their 18th birthday cards, the notion that some pilot licences may have been bought rather than earned should not come as such a surprise.
India's airlines have struggled in recent years to recruit enough pilots to keep up with demand for air travel among India's rapidly expanding middle classes.
But the revelations have shaken the community at a time when billion-dollar government corruption scams are dominating the national headlines.
Adding to the Indian aviation industry's woes - and passenger anxiety - this month is a report revealing 57 pilots were caught drunk on duty in the past two years, but only 10 were dismissed.
Mr Ravi said the remaining 47 pilots were either issued warning letters or removed from flying duties for a short period.
The Indian Pilots Guild has also called for an end to "nepotism and corruption'', citing the recruitment last year of the son of an Air India commander to its low-cost carrier Air India Express after he failed a compulsory written pilot's test.
In January this year, the same man was promoted to Air India's much sought-after Boeing 777 training program.
Last May, a plane crash in southern India killed 158 people and an official investigation later blamed it on a "sleepy pilot''
The Kelpie
What reason would AJ give for giving info 'in camera' ?
Is the transcript for 'in camera' given?
I can understand pilots wanting to protect their jobs but as the CEO I thought he should be able to answer any questions directed at him by any politician and be happy for that to be broadcast.
Is it a commercial sensitivity issue?
Is the transcript for 'in camera' given?
I can understand pilots wanting to protect their jobs but as the CEO I thought he should be able to answer any questions directed at him by any politician and be happy for that to be broadcast.
Is it a commercial sensitivity issue?
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Cannot answer your questions for definate.
Given the generic questions being asked by the Senators I cannot see why the responses are commercially sensitive, unless of course you deliberately make the responses commercially sensitive to enable you to make a valid 'in camera' request to keep everything out of the public domain.
The last time he gave evidence the public was all over it and offerred hard evidence to refute his testimony leaving himself and Buchanan open to accusations of Contempt of Parliment.
Clearly he is trying to play a game. If he is not doing anything shonky there should be no problem in answering the questions in the public domain as long as the senators do not release sensitive information given in the written responses to the questions posed 'on notice'
'In Camera' evidence as far as I am aware is not included in the transcript.
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Cannot answer your questions for definate.
Given the generic questions being asked by the Senators I cannot see why the responses are commercially sensitive, unless of course you deliberately make the responses commercially sensitive to enable you to make a valid 'in camera' request to keep everything out of the public domain.
The last time he gave evidence the public was all over it and offerred hard evidence to refute his testimony leaving himself and Buchanan open to accusations of Contempt of Parliment.
Clearly he is trying to play a game. If he is not doing anything shonky there should be no problem in answering the questions in the public domain as long as the senators do not release sensitive information given in the written responses to the questions posed 'on notice'
'In Camera' evidence as far as I am aware is not included in the transcript.
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Ta Kelpie,
That doesn't seem quite right does it.
Seems like he wants to give certain answers to certain questions without all us industry folk having the opportunity to call him on the untruths and half-truths. The problem is that the senators can't spot the bullsh1t as easily as us because their knowledge of the industry is not as intimate. Not their fault at all, it's just a complex field.
Is there a way of gaining the transcript through the 'freedom of information act' or similar?
That doesn't seem quite right does it.
Seems like he wants to give certain answers to certain questions without all us industry folk having the opportunity to call him on the untruths and half-truths. The problem is that the senators can't spot the bullsh1t as easily as us because their knowledge of the industry is not as intimate. Not their fault at all, it's just a complex field.
Is there a way of gaining the transcript through the 'freedom of information act' or similar?
As per:
Parliament of Australia: House of Representatives: Appearing as a witness at a parliamentary committee hearing
In camera (private) hearings
If before the hearing a witness considers that information to be provided by the witness or requested by the committee is confidential, the witness can request that the evidence be heard in camera. If the request is granted by the committee, the public and media will be excluded from the hearing. The Chair or any member of the committee also may request that the hearing be in camera, particularly if the evidence adversely reflects on a third person or is subject to legal proceedings.
While in camera evidence is treated as secret when it is heard, the committee has the power to publish the evidence at a later date if the circumstances warrant such action. If the committee gives an undertaking to the witness that in camera evidence will not be disclosed, such evidence would only be released by the committee with the written agreement of the witness.
The big question, though. Hasn't the hearing already begun wrt Joyce and Buchanan's statements?
Parliament of Australia: House of Representatives: Appearing as a witness at a parliamentary committee hearing
In camera (private) hearings
If before the hearing a witness considers that information to be provided by the witness or requested by the committee is confidential, the witness can request that the evidence be heard in camera. If the request is granted by the committee, the public and media will be excluded from the hearing. The Chair or any member of the committee also may request that the hearing be in camera, particularly if the evidence adversely reflects on a third person or is subject to legal proceedings.
While in camera evidence is treated as secret when it is heard, the committee has the power to publish the evidence at a later date if the circumstances warrant such action. If the committee gives an undertaking to the witness that in camera evidence will not be disclosed, such evidence would only be released by the committee with the written agreement of the witness.
The big question, though. Hasn't the hearing already begun wrt Joyce and Buchanan's statements?
Thanks.
I think that any questions or answers that are not classified as confidential or [QUOTE adversely reflects on a third person or is subject to legal proceedings.QUOTE] need to be answered in a open manner for all to hear then. Hopefully the senators will demand this.
I think that any questions or answers that are not classified as confidential or [QUOTE adversely reflects on a third person or is subject to legal proceedings.QUOTE] need to be answered in a open manner for all to hear then. Hopefully the senators will demand this.
Exactly framer. It's hard to imagine what sort of information the respective gentlemen are trying to protect from the public domain. 
Perhaps the competitors like emirates and cathay are waiting with bated breath for the secrets of running airline businesses from the smartest guys in the room.
Perhaps the competitors like emirates and cathay are waiting with bated breath for the secrets of running airline businesses from the smartest guys in the room.
Just rang Parliment House and spoke to the girl putting together the program. Details should be on the website by tonite, and procedings start at 0945 tomorrow, finishing up at 1600. Public gallery will be open. Park in the public carpark in the lower level, enter the main marble foyer and ask for directions to Committe room 2S3.
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Laws – iTunes timestamps
I put the timestamps for the relevant parts of the Laws show for 15 March 11 below.
iTunes is the easiest 2SM: John Laws Highlights - Download free podcast episodes by 2SM 1269AM Sydney on iTunes.
Laws intro 46:37
Woodward 47:58
Kate 1:01:17
Tim 1:14:40
Joyce 1:31:00
I couldn't find Ken Borough's email being read out.
iTunes is the easiest 2SM: John Laws Highlights - Download free podcast episodes by 2SM 1269AM Sydney on iTunes.
Laws intro 46:37
Woodward 47:58
Kate 1:01:17
Tim 1:14:40
Joyce 1:31:00
I couldn't find Ken Borough's email being read out.
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Does anyone know if JB is appearing or scheduled to turn up in the future?
Lets hope the Senators have some balls to take the fight to all and sundry who choose to have a battle.
Seems the Rat do want to fight the whole world, so it must be a strategy.
Lets hope the Senators have some balls to take the fight to all and sundry who choose to have a battle.
Seems the Rat do want to fight the whole world, so it must be a strategy.