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Old 15th Mar 2011, 03:01
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Good to see some "balance" in the debate Ken , but I don't think Kate is the stooge here!

As for Joyce's drivel, and that was the real drivel, it's a shame that Lawsie' didn't ask the right questions. Perhaps he should have a good chat with his "Family member".
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 03:04
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Ken, Joyce did speak to Laws!

The problem for AIPA is that hardly anyone listens to 2SM and John Laws: Laws' attitudes,
Well AJ thought it important enough to go an air and speak to Laws, the other stations will follow, once the word gets out about the ground staff as well as the pilots. Joyce is presiding over a unhappy workforce who are at the end of their tethers with the management. Ten years of cost cutting with no end in sight, possibly has a lot to do with it.
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 03:10
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Laws maybe on a low rating radio station, however, he has just returned and I suspect f lot of his old listeners have returned with him, and regardless of their demographics, the topic is becoming warmer, warmer warmer..............
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 03:32
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Are you sure Ken?

Laws read out an email from "Ken Borough" saying that Laws should not listen to "Drivel" from a Qantas Captains wife wanting to protect terms and conditions which are 20 years out of date etc etc.

Same name, same viewpoint and even the same word (Drivel) as you just used.

Coincidence? I think not.
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 03:43
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I didn't get airtime as I didn't call. Laws may have chosen to read an email from me but I don't know. Nor do I care. I went back to the ABC after a couple of minutes of [email protected] from the pilots wife. Is there now another demographic like "Doctors' Wives"? I don't mind debate but when it's so unbalanced I just tune out.

Why the AIPA bloke got airtime is beyond me. I would keep him flying and get a professional spin-doctor on the job as he didn't advance your cause an ounce of good IMHO.
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 05:24
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Ken, from your posts, it's obvious that you are a management stooge - I'm just interested to know whose position you are after?
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 05:51
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Ken, you're telling fibs again!

Were you so disinterested in Lawsie's program that you tracked down his email address and fired off an email? Is that what you are telling us?

Did you sent the email before or after you told AJ that he had better call the program to respond?

After listening to AJ, do you think he needs a professional spin-doctor too? Or was little Ms W putting out bush fires elsewhere in the media at the time?
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 05:58
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33,

No, not telling fibs at all. I listened to Laws after having been told what was expected to be broadcast. He actually gave his email address on air so anyone could have written a repsonse to what was said. And no, I didn't hear AJ as I had moved on to the ABC, and if you follow PPRuNe you will see that I've been very critical of Qanrtas' PR efforts. Alan certainly does need a professional spin-doctor as much damage has already been inflicted on the Comapny as a result of poor media management.

GB - I'm my own person and certainly not a stooge for Management.
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 06:17
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Safety is our first priority

LH are scanning aircraft for radioactivity, guess what the QF / JQ response was?

Jetstar, which is still operating flights in and out of Japan, said it was not specifically scanning planes for signs of radioactivity.
"From our perspective, we are continuing safe operations to and from Japan and closely monitoring the situation," a Jetstar spokesperson told Australian Business Traveller.
Qantas said it was not required to scan its planes for radioactivity.
"It is European policy for aircraft to be tested. We are monitoring the situation very closely and meeting all Australian Government requirements. Should this change, we will continue to meet all government requirements," spokesman Simon Rushton said.
THIS COMPANY IS A JOKE!!!
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 06:51
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2SM - John Laws - Sydney's Talk, News and Entertainment Station

Podcast on there, the QF bit is from 46 mins.
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 06:55
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It seems to me there is one reporter who is never going to be invited into the Chairmans Club.

Will apathy allow Qantas to off-shore more? – Plane Talking
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 06:58
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How much truth is coming out of Japan?
Loss of face could be a factor in how much is being reported. Its a possibility and something to consider.

Another one to consider is that ultimately the airline wouldn't give a damn if there was a radiation risk. All they want is bums on seats and ops normal.

Had it been a volcanic ash issue it may be different. Thats a threat to the machinery and thats a different story entirely.

Sorry guys I've got my cynical hat on today.
My post from the Jq OOL thread. Surprise surprise turns out the estimates were grossly under quoted accorfing to this B. Sandilands article :Serene lies flow from Fukushima nuclear disaster zone – Plane Talking

Good on the Cabin Crew for saying no to that flight.

As for Mr Ken B? Well he is entitled to his opinion and just because he doesn't agree with the majority here doesn't mean he is wrong or QF management for that matter!

I CAN say this however: Don't come-a-whingin to me when all the experience pisses off overseas and you're left with cadet pilots from third world countries making an almighty mess of things! I'm already getting the giggles at the thought of it .

As for overpaid QF guys? Ken do you think the QF 32 families think they're overpaid? Again, just difference of opinions I suppose.

The way I see it is that QF pilots are actually trying to save AJ's job in the long term. He's got the most amazing case of tunnel vision I've ever seen. Its like a seriously bad day at the casino.
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 11:51
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[QUOTE][/Jetstar, which is still operating flights in and out of Japan, said it was not specifically scanning planes for signs of radioactivity.
"From our perspective, we are continuing safe operations to and from Japan and closely monitoring the situation," a Jetstar spokesperson told Australian Business Traveller.
Qantas said it was not required to scan its planes for radioactivity.
"It is European policy for aircraft to be tested. We are monitoring the situation very closely and meeting all Australian Government requirements. Should this change, we will continue to meet all government requirements," spokesman Simon Rushton said.]

So I guess this means when the regulator say's

No need for fuel tests
No need for pax briefing
No need for crew briefing
And so the list could go on!

Does this mean that it then won't be required because regulation's say you need not, Surely common sense would prevail. You cannot put any cost saving figure on safety the fact is you must spend in the area to keep safety standards high
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Old 15th Mar 2011, 13:36
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AJ said

"Jetstar Australia buisness as an example is growing rapidly, Jetstar in January added 40% capacity to it's domestic operation, it's recruiting and growing it's buisness here..."
Now I'm confused, I have been on hold since mid last year and not herd anything about recruiting for Jetstar Australia.

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Old 15th Mar 2011, 14:40
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Won't hear anything if your only qualification is a sheppards ticket...(says the bloke who now can't figure out how many p's in sheppard)

Holding my breath and turning blue for some changes though...

Keep up the good work kelpie ben and senator x...

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Old 17th Mar 2011, 00:18
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Does anyone know if tomorrows senate enquiry is broadcast ?
It is not listed on their website.
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 00:39
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All very hush hush about tomorrow. I am surprised the schedule has not been published yet, just sitting as TBA at the moment.

It is not unusual for the broadcast not to be listed until the day of the hearing.

Word is that it is an all day thing with morning witnesses (rumoured to be pilots) being held 'in camera' and therefore in private and unbroadcast and then the rest in the afternoon although Joyce and Buchanan have requested that some of their evidence be heard 'in camera' also.

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Old 17th Mar 2011, 00:58
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This is what can happen overseas

Delhi to investigate 4500 pilot licences


EVEN the most cavalier passengers knew something was amiss onboard IndiGo airlines' January 11 flight from Goa when it landed with a terrifying, lurching thud - nose wheel first - on the New Delhi tarmac.


The flight's captain, Parminder Kaur Gulati, may have been the only one that day to see nothing awry in the unconventional and perilous landing.

A subsequent investigation determined she had done it 15 times before. More distressing still was the discovery that Ms Gulati, 38, had failed one of her pilot exams and then forged her results to obtain her licence.

"Only a woman could do it,'' read an ensuing headline - one of several predictable joke lines that followed, besmirching women drivers.

As it turns out, Parminder Gulati was merely the tip of the iceberg. With a second pilot arrested for licence fraud on the weekend and an alert issued for two more absconders, India's Civil Aviation Minister Vayalar Ravi has been forced to launch a national investigation into the validity of more than 4500 Indian pilot licences.

"I have directed the DGCA (Directorate General of Civil Aviation) to examine all the licences issued in the past and to establish a procedure for more detailed verification while issuing such licences,'' Mr Ravi told parliament on Tuesday.

"I propose to set up an expert committee in the ministry to examine the current examination system, need for introduction of e-technology, new procedures and process and effective system of cross-verification of documents filed by candidates for various licences in DGCA.''

In a country where it is not uncommon for parents to present their children with a driver's licence inside their 18th birthday cards, the notion that some pilot licences may have been bought rather than earned should not come as such a surprise.

India's airlines have struggled in recent years to recruit enough pilots to keep up with demand for air travel among India's rapidly expanding middle classes.

But the revelations have shaken the community at a time when billion-dollar government corruption scams are dominating the national headlines.

Adding to the Indian aviation industry's woes - and passenger anxiety - this month is a report revealing 57 pilots were caught drunk on duty in the past two years, but only 10 were dismissed.

Mr Ravi said the remaining 47 pilots were either issued warning letters or removed from flying duties for a short period.

The Indian Pilots Guild has also called for an end to "nepotism and corruption'', citing the recruitment last year of the son of an Air India commander to its low-cost carrier Air India Express after he failed a compulsory written pilot's test.

In January this year, the same man was promoted to Air India's much sought-after Boeing 777 training program.
Last May, a plane crash in southern India killed 158 people and an official investigation later blamed it on a "sleepy pilot''
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 01:15
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What reason would AJ give for giving info 'in camera' ?
Is the transcript for 'in camera' given?
I can understand pilots wanting to protect their jobs but as the CEO I thought he should be able to answer any questions directed at him by any politician and be happy for that to be broadcast.
Is it a commercial sensitivity issue?
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Old 17th Mar 2011, 01:22
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Cannot answer your questions for definate.

Given the generic questions being asked by the Senators I cannot see why the responses are commercially sensitive, unless of course you deliberately make the responses commercially sensitive to enable you to make a valid 'in camera' request to keep everything out of the public domain.

The last time he gave evidence the public was all over it and offerred hard evidence to refute his testimony leaving himself and Buchanan open to accusations of Contempt of Parliment.

Clearly he is trying to play a game. If he is not doing anything shonky there should be no problem in answering the questions in the public domain as long as the senators do not release sensitive information given in the written responses to the questions posed 'on notice'

'In Camera' evidence as far as I am aware is not included in the transcript.

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