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Old 28th Sep 2014, 09:02
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Elizabeth (aka Libby) Hampton came from the Conflict Resolution Deparment at Telstra. Became the ICC stroking her pearl necklace wondering what to do about more than 60% of the complaints she had on her rosewood desk from CASA people complaining about each other. She now is making her mark at Customs and Excise.
Where is J Mac now? Comfortably ensconced in Montreal.
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And that may explain the missing Canadian TSB report.
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Old 29th Sep 2014, 20:27
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He said, She said on the sea shore.

Frank I doubt the Canucks will "report", be more like the whimpering, mewling noises one of those wet, almost silent farts makes, in an attempt to beat the SF separator check system.
Greedy –"Mr Wodger Wabbit is indeed a manipulator of information to suit his own agenda.
That particular McComic devotee, one of the really willing accomplices, has had a metaphorical 'red dot' on his forehead for a number of years in the form of a paper trail about five mile wide; more of a swathe really. There are internal and external queues waiting for a suitable platform or venue to present one of the most sordid stories, amongst the many from the McComic years. Standing alone our Wodger and some of his 'mates' are worthy candidates for investigation by Royal Commission; or, better yet a Fawcett led Senate inquiry.

This is not a "buggers muddle" but the deliberate concealment of inconvenient truths to suit a predetermined outcome. Greedy
Amen to that – buts it's only one of the very many grubby little tales emanating from the McComic era; rushed, pre prepared paper work, with many 'errors' made by our happy little band. Perhaps Wodgers next 'expert' speech to the RAeS could be dedicated to how to manipulate both system and law to obtain the 'desired result'.
TB "Speaking of Hampertop, how would she be addressed, Miss, Mrs, Ms, Mistress??"
Another willing accomplice. I reckon the Sunday papers would have a field day asking that question; with photographs, one taken in each outfit accompanying the racy, ribald expose. (BRB voted favourite is the all leather 'Mistress' one).

Sot –"[unnecessary] burden onto helicopter operators, regardless of what that bearded CASA fool Gobson has to say."
Easy one for a good barrister, public statement, documented and recorded for posterity. Another willing accomplice, happily doing deals with the devil, enchanted by dreams of the fortune and glory, gifted by enslavement to the McComic system.

There are several others worthy of mention, they are a little smarter than our protagonists here, not so easily traceable and astute enough to realise that one day, the whole mess would be exposed to public scrutiny and covered their tracks. The big question for them is of course, has the covering been good enough to fool an expert tracker?

Time will tell and we shall see, I expect; but it is all rather disgusting, ain't it?

Aye well – better clean up the decks, if we are to have guests that is: the last lot left a hellish mess behind...Toot toot.

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Old 30th Sep 2014, 00:15
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Grrr Sharp Trust


Seeing with my own eyes, from may last year, Sharp and Truss have been working together, enhancing REX, whilst under investigation is reasonably questionable.
Knowing that REX donated 250k to the Political parties, just before the release of the ATSB report on Pel-Air. There had been NO DONATIONS since 2004. Long absence, timing is questionable.
The cutting of a REX Aircraft cake with a shiny knife, holding hands and smiling, close to the same place NGA broke in two is sickening and insensitive.
Your welcome REX/Pel-Air!
Pel-Air glorified by Sharp until realisation of "oh shit" this is not good. Questionable
Pel-Air are found to be FACTUALLY well and truly an incompetent operator. Historically and in November 2009. No more gloating from Sharp. Questionable
CASAs own report, again, "oh shit" this reflect poorly on CASAs oversight.
ATSB report. A deflection of the truth. Questionable
Senate. Once again, kept quiet, apart from the aviation audience really.
No recommendations to date. FIRST RECOMMENDATION, No. Questionable
Truss commissioned report. ASRR. Final release, with comments. Not yet. Questionable
Canucks invited to do "INDEPENDENT" report on methodologies, blah blah. Over a year ago. Before commencement, dialogue personally with Canuck Boss. Told when team assembled, and on Oz ground, they will contact us. We (occupants of NGA) were to be interviewed, initially. March, 2014 I ask, where are you, have you been and gone? Dialogue swift change to the versed MoU between Canuck and ATSB. Refer any questions to the ATSB. Yeah right.
Asked recently about the release date. Editing needs to be completed. By whom. Canuck replies, ATSB, CASA. Canuck then said..."speak with ATSB if you have any concerns. Report will hopefully be ready by Canucky Autumn. Geez, thanks.
Had hope with the NTSB. What lies beneath.
This is NOT an independent review!!
Accidentally put through to NTSB Media. Spoke with fellow, he had no idea about the investigation. Told him and he asked for an email. Send, send, send.
Every avenue needs to be explored if we want to continue to have the truth.
Aviation Safety, needs special attention. Industry input required.

Truss may not be able to change regulation, CASA should have a postcode like the Vatican. Protected by their own written laws. Which can change as they please. Distorted how they wish. Absent as they were and still are. Enter insurance companies. This is one hell of a sick game.

Exit McSkull. Leaving a trail of destructive lies whilst he sits comfortably, no conscious, job well done. Enjoy your retirement. Pat on the back by the blinded mass media. Not informed of the Aviation situation, therefore not concerned.

Good one MM. Spoke to you too. Confirmed twice verbally, no protection prior to ditching, no law protection post. Montreal, Common, Jurisdiction. Insurers for P/A are having a fine time playing the Insurance Aviation Game of Shame. To me it feels like a Slow, painful punishment. I believe (as do many others in the same situation) that their tactics are to make the matter so drawn out in time, financially cripple, handcuff your life, with the intent of beating down, a snail pace of murdering. Greedy lot. Bring it!

Shadow Albo, turned his back on us. Whilst in office, didn't even have the report on his desk. True. Have proof in FOI.

ShaTruss are entwined for the benefit of an airline involved in an International Crash. First of its kind in the country. REX/Pel-Air get there shit together, with the little helping hand. Once again, your welcome! Sharps history as Minister for Tpt would certainly help dampen the "incident".

The creation of ShaTruss begins. On ya REX. Glad to see you are doing well. Keep drowning the voices that lived. Long ago and insignificant now.
My voice will soon boom. The Aviation Industry's Voices are booming. The voices needs to be heard. Not ignored. Learning, advancement, keeping large and small Aviation business alive, not creating Monopolies that influence our Gov'Mutts and Guv'Mutes. It can be done, safely.

As DP, Truss may not be able to break through to the CASA Castle with the Bureaucrats lazy, unaccountable laws regarding regulation...BUT...

He has the authority to release reports. Its in his job description.
Push and shove us, we push shove back!
Mr Truss HAS the authority to release reports. He just has to say it!

Simple Request from your concerned citizens. Just do it. Release and rectify with transparency. Unedited please Mr Truss. Mrdak, pointless even trying to get through to you. Please keep your hands off the Canucks report. The MrDak stamp of approved crap is not required.

Unfriggin believable, all of this. What is going on?

EH- you are next to explain this mess. Start reading! Long, complex and disturbing.
Contact you soon.

Stay safe in those magnificent flying machines all.


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Old 30th Sep 2014, 06:01
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This post highlights what many have been fighting for so long without much to show for the effort. It's too simplistic to say CAsA is running a protection racket for "compliant" organizations who have been shown to be unsafe to the very real and tangible wellbeing of the travelling public. Indeed too many lives have been wasted by waxing over one accident so that nothing is learnt to prevent the next. We can highlight this concept with a time line starting, (just for example), with Seaview, progressing to Monarch, progressing to Whyalla, progressing to Lockhart River, progressing to Pel Air...etc.. etc..

The real problem is cronyism at all levels of government and industry. We will possibly see and confirm this if someone from Kowloon gets the DAS job. We probably see this now with the Canadian report and we can say with a degree of accuracy that the mix of characters across the spectrum with Rex is a valid observation. Politicians won't help you obviously. They are thin on loyalty excepting only if you are powerful enough to keep them in power.

It's nothing to do with mates rates, more like a secret society with funny handshakes and this needs to be addressed by someone outside of Australia. The UN sticks out like a sore thumb and specifically the convention on human rights. Tim Wilson at Australian Human Rights Commission is probably the best start point. He has yet to be tarnished and has instant UN access. If that fails, cc the complaint to head office in Geneva or wherever is home these days for that lot.

It simply needs someone with enough real person signatures and identities to make the complaint.

Even Slater and Gordon will take this on if the complainants agree on a common theme and there's a quid in it for them. Past approaches have failed because the Australian aviation industry is full of "alpha" male and female players who, if locked in a room by themselves would all agree the system is crooked but wouldn't in a million years come up with a common goal. They would end up killing each other after the third drink.

I've seen it all before. the last time about 3 months was wasted fighting over the acronym that best suited the purpose. Christ! No wonder I gave up.

In my Army days an appreciation was simple;

1) Situation.. Well we know about that.
2) Mission.. This is tricky. It should be one sentence.
3) Execution.. How do we go about achieving the mission. UN perhaps.
4) Admin and logistics.. Well, book keepers and note takers are needed.
5) Command and control.. Faaark! "alpha" males (and females). This is where you loose me.

When you lot can agree to a mission statement and commander, let me know. Until then, I'll just hang around for therapy.

BTW. I have no case that CAsA needs answer to me. My matter was settled years ago. Indeed I could say I had a win of sorts, (only cost me money. I retained my sense of humor) and still talk with some from the factory. However I can see what the problem is, and although many ask my opinion personally, few take notice to act on my advice. I can only support your efforts and urge you to maintain the impetus. You are, what we call in the Army, divided, and as such you will be conquered.

Kick some arse Ziggy, they need a job and a leader.

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Old 1st Oct 2014, 20:38
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A friend indeed.

The answer to a question asked of a minister in the house of reps caught my attention -

Small business Minister Bruce Billson QWN :

Mr BROUGH (Fisher) (15:08): My question is to the Minister for Small Business. Minister, will you inform the House of the action you are taking to cut the red-tape burden for the 13,000 small businesses in my electorate on the Sunshine Coast and how you are also assisting hardworking small businesses right across Australia?

Mr BILLSON (Dunkley—Minister for Small Business) (15:08): It is great to get a question from the member for Fisher. Isn't it great to have him back in this parliament? What a great representative. The member for Fisher would know that we are well on our way to implementing an election commitment—a crucial election commitment to cut $1 billion worth of— red tape and compliance costs out of the economy, as a central part of our Economic Action Strategy.

There can be no contest about the need for this red-tape reduction task. You might remember, Madam Speaker, when the Labor government was initially elected, they promised one in, one out. That was the commitment. But after spectacularly failing to achieve that ambition, they thought they would change the goal posts. And then it was about a regulation count. When we reminded the previous government that they had implemented 21,000 new and amended regulations, they then said, 'We don't like that way of measuring the red-tape burden either.'

But who could argue with The World Economic Forum's assessment? Who could forget that, after six years of Labor, the Australian economy is 128th in the world in terms of the burden of government regulation. There are only 127 other economies that have less gummed-up impact of government regulation than our own. This is why this red-tape reduction task is a whole-of-government obligation, where every minister is making a contribution and where every portfolio is making a contribution. Regulatory burdens land no more heavily than on small businesses. The small businesses of Fisher, as we travel around and talk with them, describe this overwhelming compliance obligation that takes them away from growing their business and nurturing opportunities in their electorate.

This is why Labor contributed so much in its red-tape overreach to 519,000 jobs lost in small business under Labor. We have started well: We have more than $700 million worth of compliance savings already announced and already booked, but we have to keep that momentum going. We have seen 300,000 small businesses relieved of unnecessary PAYG and also BAS reporting obligations. We have seen the need to improve and fix the overreach in the Personal Property Security Register. We have seen changes in the area of franchising—all of these aimed at reducing the red tape burden.

We have in the Senate another opportunity to end the burden on business being the double-handler of paid parental leave payments. There is another $48 million worth of red-tape savings to be had there for businesses big and small for the not-for-profit obligations. We are evangelical about our work in relieving small businesses of that red-tape burden and re-energising enterprise, realising that these businesses need to be world-class every day to thrive and prosper. That is the discipline we should apply to our task, and not do what Labor did—whenever there was a problem, after spending all the money that was left from Howard government, just go and add some more regulation to it and hope it goes away. We are the only friends small business has in this chamber. (My bold)
The statement "We are the only friends small business has in this chamber." set the old wheels in motion, why is Truss not addressing some of the burden for aviation along the same lines as the minister for small business?.

Apart from the 'heavies' a high percentage of aviation businesses could be seen as 'small' – in the strict sense. No doubt the benefits of the 'red-tape' reform will be passed along and will assist but 'small aviation' needs an additional layer of protection.

The industry is capital intensive, the commercial risks are high, the returns relatively low. Industry accepts that as a given and continues – anyway. But, there is no similar rhetoric from Truss relating to removing the additional onerous burdens and stresses CASA force upon industry. No other small business is as ruthlessly persecuted to maintain absolute blind, unchallenging obedience to an arcane, becoming ridiculous rule set – without recourse. No other industry is 'self funding' to degree demanded of aviation. Imagine trying to sell that to 'small business' while telling them that if and when it pleases the 'regulator', they fund, chooses to close them down, they will.

I am uncertain of the number of jobs lost and the taxable revenue now unavailable to government due to forced closure of aviation business during the McComic era, when a scourge akin to Ebola swept through; but it was plenty. The accident rates have nor reduced due to this philosophy, the skies are no safer, the red tape mounts, the regulation more manically determined on micro management – for why?? and where is the minuscule ? and what is it doing?

'Our' minuscule, unlike Mr Billson, continues to sit, snoozing or staring into space and will not, unlike like Billson raise a finger to help a dying industry. At least Billson acknowledges the value of 'small business'. It was refreshing to hear a little heat, just a few words from a minister; even if it's all hot air, at least Billson is 'seen' to be having a go – with some passion.

I just wonder if the ostrich like Truss hopes the Senate will, once again, dig his chestnuts out of the fire. There are a few in the flames:-

The medical issues, not just the CVD troops, but an entire range of incompetence, embuggerance and ineptitude managed by an unaccountable megalomaniac. A CASA in miniature.

The regulatory issues: parts 61 and 145 for example. Gods alone know what the true, total cost to industry is as it struggles to (a) comprehend the rubbish and (b) try to find a way of compliance which will ensure the commercial viability and legal safety of their businesses.

There are outstanding, serious matters related to the manner in which industry is managed and regulated, which have not been acknowledged for almost a twelve month now, let alone addressed.

There are grave concerns regarding the quality and value of our accident investigating; not only ignored, but wilfully disregarded.

There are huge problems in the manner and method in which aerodrome matters are managed and manipulated, with only the thickness of a cigarette paper between a major, damaging scandal exploding all over the government.

Well Bravo Mr. Billson, you set a fine example for our own shiftless, lazy, dithering inutile Minister to follow; and, you publicly shame him by that example. Would you consider accepting a charge to take one more branch of the small business tree under your umbrella? Then we could just step around the Truss roadblock and appeal to a Minister who seems to take his job seriously; for we certainly do need a friend, in deed, in the Australian parliament.

Truss and Australia have got it very, very wrong and before you call Bull-pooh; just have a look across the Tasman and see the difference.


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Old 1st Oct 2014, 21:51
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don't suppose you have a page count of OZ Part 61 compared with the kiwi's and the FAR's do you? I believe that alone will show how over regulated we are.
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Old 1st Oct 2014, 22:50
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Thorny - Last I looked 79 (80 ish) about one tenth 1/10 the Australian super version of over 800 pages (excluding the 800 odd pages of MOS, to explain, the inexplicable). Thank you John and the boys for a national embarrassment.
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Albo's Great White Elephant - A trip down memory lane for Ziggy

Ziggy chick, I agree, the relationship between Sharp and government is disgusting, and 'interesting'.
As for the almost impossible task of closing out a handful of NCN's in a handful of days, well it defies belief and is simply not possible. CASA will not/do not act that fast, I can assure you of this. It would never occur in a day or two of receiving an operators response. It simply does not happen, ever. The Inspector/Team Leader has to, at a minimum, review the operator response, share this with his audit team, discuss, then agree to close it out and pass that closure recommendation on to his Field Office Manager or equivalent, for approval. It all has to be 'trimmed', an admin officer drafts up a letter of response to the operator and then that letter is signed at a high level in CASA prior to being sent to the operator! All this in perhaps 2 to 3 days????? Yeah right. I think the Royal Commission should start now!

Also Ziggy, here is the link to Albo's famous Great White Elephant 2009, the collectors addition. To save you from boredom and being nauseated just skip to Page 87-88, the section 'Air Operators Liabilty Insurance'. The Governments weasel like wording and dribble is truly infuriating and pathetic. Not surprisingly people such as yourself cop the pineapple while the government, the airline, and the insurer are protected.

WARNING! This policy contains no real actions, no substance, no commitments and no value. It does however contain pages of pretty pictures, lots of colours and fancy photography - a hit with preschoolers and public servants;

Footnote: This 'paper', once printed, makes for a very hardy, robust and soft toilet paper. Especially after one has read the Great White Paper back to front and is feeling ill, or one has a damaged rectum from repetitive CASA pineapples!
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Sot –"Also Ziggy, here is the link to Albo's famous Great White Elephant 2009, the collectors addition."
Way I heard it was Wuss is enamoured of Albo's great white elephant and wants to keep it, warm and safe. His minions all think this is a splendid idea; but the grown-ups are being difficult. Like any other spoiled child, he's sulking and keeping his toys to himself.

Someone needs a smack bottom.
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ASSR submission.

I have managed to persuade the PAIN associates to release part of an unedited 'Draft' version of their submission made to the ASRR. The final edited version was completed from the draft version released – HERE - with various supportive attachments and two 'confidential' supplementary submissions. There is no parliamentary privilege covering the final version, however, detailed submissions by associates were considered sensitive.

I believe the ASRR has been emasculated, this notion supported by the lack of meaningful response to Forsyth and there being no publication of industry response to the ASRR report. I hoped that offering the draft submission to those interested, may rekindle industry determination to demand that the recommendations made by the Senate and the Forsyth review be implemented and fully supported by the Abbott government, as a matter of urgency.

I had to do some plain and fancy talking to get this document released, the slave time due will be willingly provided along with the midnight oil, ink, quills and parchment.

P7 a.k.a. TOM expects me to remind those downloading the document to only click once on the --.

Thanks guys.

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"From little things...big things (can) grow".

Thank you Ferryman (K9) the PAIN (part) submission and your previous post...A friend me a perfect launching pad for a long weekend recognition of some of the small business players who contributed to the ASRR in the way of submissions.

While the miniscule malaise hangs, like a 'pea souper', over the whole Forsyth report a lot of the small business (MP) submitters must now be wondering if it was worth the risk to make a contribution.. After all they have now effectively outed themselves to an historically vindictive big "R" regulator... However throughout human evolution in times of conflict there is only two decisions that naturally present themselves; that is to 'fight' or 'flight' and in this case, for future self-preservation reasons, now is the time to 'fight' or face future oblivion.

Reflecting on the Billson small business speech and the apparent non-conformance our miniscule has to the Coalition red tape reduction policy; I thought I would give a plug to a little known QLD backbench Senator speech (given earlier in the week):
Senator McGRATH (Queensland) (19:16): ...Tonight, however, I want to talk about red tape and the growing need to further reduce red tape in order to support small businesses and the economy. As I have travelled throughout Queensland, I have spoken often about the burden of red tape and have had many occasions to listen to people's concerns about red tape. Just a few weeks ago in Gympie, at a Gympie First forum with Tony Perrett, our Liberal-National Party candidate, I heard firsthand further examples of the damage that red tape and green tape are doing to local businesses and farmers in the Gympie district. Gympie is in my home region of the beautiful Sunshine Coast, and local businesses, community groups and community leaders there are calling for further action on red tape. They acknowledge that the state government has done some sterling work in reducing red and green tape. They also acknowledge that the federal government has also done some fantastic work—which I will come to later—in this area.

But red tape and overregulation are destroying confidence. In a region that needs jobs and economic growth, I—like my fellow Liberal and National Party senators—have a very strong interest in ensuring that these unnecessary barriers are removed. Sadly, it is a big task. The Australian economy is drowning under the weight of red and green tape. The volume, complexity and duplication of red-tape requirements are stifling innovation, investment and productivity. This overwhelming regulatory burden is exacerbating cost-of-living pressures on Australian families and increasing uncertainty about job security and job creation. Australians can no longer afford to waste thousands of hours on pointless paperwork, compliance and regulation. This applies to almost every sector—from small business to big business, from aged care to education, from the not-for-profit sector to agriculture.

Just last year, the Queensland Chamber of Commerce estimated (1) that red-tape compliance costs are equal to 10 per cent of a local independent supermarket's daily takings, (2) that red tape adds an additional $20 to $30 per head to the cost of a wedding at a function centre, (3) that red tape adds approximately five per cent to the average cost of a meal at a restaurant, and (4) that red tape and government fees and charges represent approximately a quarter, 25 per cent, of the ticket price for a regional tourist attraction. A report by Jobs Australia found there were over 3,000 pages of Job Services Australia rules. Indeed, these rules required paper records to be kept of all applications made through Job Services Australia. This left one provider requiring over 330 filing cabinets.

With universal support for a reduction in red tape, the previous Labor government left an appalling legacy of inaction. Kevin Rudd and Labor promised before the 2007 election that, for every regulation they brought in, they would abolish one regulation. You might think, 'That sounds promising'—and Labor did abolish over 220 regulations. You might think, 'That's pretty good; they probably get a gold star for that.' But, in little more than 5½ years, Labor introduced 975 new or amending pieces of legislation and over 21,000 additional regulations. A current secretary of state in the UK, Eric Pickles—whom everyone here should know I have a bit of man love for—does not have a one-in one-out policy. At the moment his record is that, for every regulation he brings in, he is getting rid of eight regulations. I think that sets the benchmark this government should be aiming for in getting rid of red tape.

On Labor's watch, Australia's ranking in the World Competitiveness Yearbook declined from seventh in 2008 to 15th in 2012, and ABS data showed that the country's productivity fell by three percent between July 2007 to June 2012.

In contrast to Labor's record of all talk and no action, the coalition government is ready to deliver a paradigm shift in Australia's approach to regulation. Already, this government removed over 10,000 pieces and 50,000 pages of legislation and regulation during its first-ever repeal day in March this year. This historic event alone has delivered savings of over $700 million in compliance costs.

Pull out your diaries, get very excited about this, tell your kids and your grandkids and tell your staff: another very exciting repeal day is coming up, scheduled for 29 October. Josh Frydenberg, the Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister, is leading the charge on this. I think he deserves a lot of praise and a proper gold star for the work that he is doing to reduce regulation and red tape. This is just one part of the coalition government's red tape reduction program.

The government is committed to cutting over $1 billion in red and green tape each year. To do this, the government will focus on five key areas. Firstly, we are going to tackle the volume of regulation, which is clearly already too high. Secondly, we are going to work to eliminate the extensive duplication and regulatory overlap that exists between the different levels of government. Thirdly, we are going to improve the quality of consultation between government and those to be affected by any new regulations. Fourthly, we will ensure that there are rigorous and mandatory post-implementation reviews to determine how effective new regulations have been. Fifthly, we are going to ensure that regulators are at all times transparent, accountable and efficient in administering regulations.

Regulators are at the front line of this debate and it is our strong view that we have to bring them along as part of any sweeping new cultural change. Australia is home to over two million businesses, many of them family-run operations that create jobs and opportunities in our communities. I, like my coalition colleagues, want to see a strong and prosperous Australia. These important measures to reduce red tape will deliver unprecedented changes to the regulatory landscape in Australia. They will help those over two million businesses and help create jobs.

I have previously made a commitment to personally monitor our progress of red tape reduction to keep the government, which I am a proud member of, and my party, the Liberal Party, on track. I repeat that commitment today. I will be doing an annual red tape report. I will further update the Senate on this progress at a later date. This area of reform is critical for Australia's future. Done correctly, the government will support growth, build confidence and create an environment full of opportunity. This is certainly an outcome that I hope all of those who dislike red and green tape—those on the other side might like it—would agree with.
Perhaps those IOS members presiding in QLD should give the good Senator some input for his annual red tape report...

Moving on and for those owner/operators (a Small/Medium Enterprise {SME}) the stats quoted by Billson are contained in the following: The Australian Industry Group - NATIONAL CEO SURVEY - Burden of Government Regulation

A quote & table from page 13 of the AIG survey document:
The Commission included in its report the results of a Council of Small Businesses of Australia (COSBOA) survey of 87 SMEs, which showed that 82% of the respondents felt that SMEs face disproportionately high compliance costs, while 44% indicated that they do not have the skills or capacity to understand their compliance obligations (Chart 13). These results agree with the findings in Ai Group’s surveys that suggest that some regulatory arrangements (e.g. payroll tax, GST as noted above) are more likely to place a medium to high cost burden on SMEs than on larger businesses. In addition, the Commission noted that;
“Australian studies have found that small businesses [alone] spend, on average, up to five hours per week on compliance with government regulatory requirements and deal with an average of six regulators per year”.

Chart 13: Small businesses supporting different treatment, percentage by reason

Probably something we all know but basically put the regulatory burden imposed by CAsA's RRP has had (& continues to have) a far greater impact on Small/Medium owner/operators than on the larger airline operators. Perhaps this impact could be one of the causal chain of factors that has seen the demise of 16 regional airlines in recent years...

So to the ASRR MP submissions and starting with #sub220 - Michael Tucker. Mr Tucker's sub was largely in support of the AOPA submission but had some salient points worthy of consideration...:
Submission to the Aviation Safety Regulation Review by Michael Tucker
I wish to add my support to the submission by AOPA and expand on 2 points

1. I think we all agree that one of the major problems of the current regulations is the content of Reg 206 defining commercial operations and that the fix is the new regulations.

I quote from CASA website on CASR Part 135 Australian air transport operations - Small Aeroplanes

" In 1999, CASA was directed to "minimise the distinction between charter and Regular Public Transport (RPT) operators". To address this, Part 135 will set in place a common level of safety for operators who are authorised to provide 'Air transport operations' - an amalgamation of current charter and RPT operations and standards - in order to carry Passengers in small aeroplanes. The safety level applies irrespective of whether an operation is scheduled or non-scheduled as described by the International Civil Aviation Organization in Part I of Annex 6.''

and we agree that the same level of safety should apply irrespective of whether an operation is scheduled or non-scheduled or is a closed charter or open to the public - BUT for a given aircraft size.

we note that no amount of over regulation will make a flight in a 4 seat single engine aircraft or a 10 seat twin as safe as one in a 30 seater or a 737

We believe that CASR 135 with the associated maintenance regulations are over the top, too onerous, too complex for small aircraft and would be unworkable for the smaller operators and remote operations
We believe that we should adopt/copy the New Zealand system and regulations of
 CAA Part 135 - Small Aircraft & helicopters - < 9 seat & < 5700kgs MTOW - safe
 CAA Part 125 - Medium Aircraft - 10 - 30 seats or SEIFR ops Safer
 CAA Part 121 - Large Aircraft - > 30 seats Safest
 CAA Part 119 - Air Operator - Certification
with no distinction between scheduled or non-scheduled or whether it is a closed charter or open to the public.

2. We would also like to reiterate the concerns raised about CASA's enforcement approach and methods. Their handling of Barrier aviation AOC suspension and others was unconscionable, the timings of their actions seem to occur when they will do most harm and without notice.

 For justice to be seen to be done we believe Sect 30DC of the ACT should be amended to enable CASA to give a direction that will stop that part of an operation that is a "
Serious and imminent risks to air safety" and a "show cause notice" should have to be issued before the AOC is suspended

The possibility that a company can be closed down unjustly without a chance to rectify the problem is just "un Australian" and does nothing to encourage investment in Aviation.

I support AOPA's call for an effective ombudsman reportable to the Minister and the CASA Board.
Yours sincerely

Michael Tucker

MD Tasfast Airfreight, 33 years aviation experience inc RPT ops, own & operate 6 x PA31-350
[email protected], 0359444375, 0412365397
Good start Mr Tucker anyone else care to contribute???

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"Just last year, the Queensland Chamber of Commerce estimated (1) that red-tape compliance costs are equal to 10 per cent of a local independent supermarket's daily takings, (2) that red tape adds an additional $20 to $30 per head to the cost of a wedding at a function centre, (3) that red tape adds approximately five per cent to the average cost of a meal at a restaurant, and (4) that red tape and government fees and charges represent approximately a quarter, 25 per cent, of the ticket price for a regional tourist attraction. A report by Jobs Australia found there were over 3,000 pages of Job Services Australia rules. Indeed, these rules required paper records to be kept of all applications made through Job Services Australia. This left one provider requiring over 330 filing cabinets."

Sarcs, the lot above are lucky,

How bout $100K to include a light jet on your AOC,

How bout $20K just to provide a job for someone on a light piston twin,

How bout $60K to obtain an international endorsement on your AOC which includes a long weekend for an FOI and his AWI mate business class to Darwin.

Three nights at the Casino and of course the "Joy Flight"...err sorry "Proving Flight" to an international destination of their choice in a "Luxury" corporate jet.

If Miniscule WUSS cant see what is blatant Corruption on a very high level then he's a bigger fool than I though he was.

In the end, after expending all that Cash, those poor buggers got an International AOC that they cant use.

Unless they do a "Joy Flight"...errr sorry "Proving Flight" to each destination they want to operate to.

Heard of Local councils begging AOC holders to operate RPT to their airports. The answer being No unless you can find someone to toss half a million into our account to cover the cost of "Compliance"

What the Wuss doesn't realize is he could get on the gravy train and get his GA Flights for free if he hooked up CAsA to require "Proving Flights" to wherever he wants to go, that is if CAsA can find anyone still in business to persecute.

CAsA has taken the finest traditions of British Bureaucracy and refined them into an art form, even the Indians pale into insignificance compared with CAsA.
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No more Tom and Jerry?

National aviation authorities (NAA) face a dilemma. Aviation is getting much safer, implying big NAAs are not so necessary, but the industry is also getting larger and more technically and operationally complex, which seems to imply a need for more oversight.

The one certainty is that NAAs will not get more resources in the future, arid may get less, despite industry growth. There is an argument that aviation safety has got to where it is through traditional compliance based regulation, but the evidence suggests otherwise: technology has improved safety more than any other single factor, and many existing regulations were made for a different era, so are losing their relevance. It has always been a problem for regulators to stay up to date with advancing technology. The technology experts work for the manufacturers, and the experts in how best to use it work for the airlines.

Giancarlo Buono, lATA's director of safety and operations, .Europe, wants to see a partnership, rather than a "Tom and Jerry" relationship between regulator and operator. John Clark, the UK Civil Aviation Authority's safety programme manager, is pushing for safety performance outcomes to be specified and overseen, rather than prescribing the means by which they must be achieved. This performance-based regulation would require partnership between the regulators and regulated, but with the former still retaining enforcement powers

Courtesy - Flight International – September, 2014.
I can smell the coffee – anyone else awake. Part 61 – redundant; by world best thinking anyway; and, the bloody home grown fools still want to blame the IOS.

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What was the old fly spray add "When your on a good thing, stick to it"?

Why on earth would anyone in CAsA want to change the status quo?.

When your snout is up to your eyeballs in the trough, you tend not to see what's going on around you, the death of the industry will ultimately mean the end of your trough.

When corruption and incompetence is positively condoned by your government, who apparently has no control over you anyway, why on earth would you give a damn about the industry you regulate?

How could industry consider a partnership and deal with the devil that has caused so much grief by devious, immoral and dishonest oversight?.

What on earth sort of partnership could you forge with an organization you know is utterly corrupt and hell bent on destroying you?

Nothing will change until there is a complete overhaul of CAsA and that cant happen unless there is a complete overhaul of the Act.

Aviation in New Zealand is rapidly growing to be their primary industry.

There's the example of what good regulation can do, which contrary to all the evidence our head Numpie denied.

Unlike CVD pilots our Numpies are blind.
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Bobbing for apples

Thorny, I don't have the time to go into each CASA rort, but four things stick out.

1. 'Regulation by Accumulation' - An old Inspector trick is to make sure any audits you do are a long way from your field office and make sure you fly only the carriers that give you flyer points for the reason that yes, you do keep those points personally, despite what other people may have been told.

2. An Inspector once told me - 'It's not what you can do for CASA it's what CASA can do for you'. In other words bleed the organisation and the taxpayer for all you can get.

3. Overseas conferences/working trips - Use your imagination boys, if it exists then CASA has done it. Tens of thousands are spent on just one person travelling abroad for a conference.

4. Education - CASA fund individual staffers every education whim including Diplomas and Masters degrees. (And on occasion a 70 year olds A380 endorsement!)

Oink oink

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5. Casa's version of westside story. Two gangs small r regulator led by former CEO Bruce Byron and the big R regulator led by acting DAS after DAS retires. ( prefers the DAS title to CEO). Love interests !

6. Sneakily robbing trips from others.

7. Becoming a big R regulator as the world moves in the opposite direction. Trips to Europe and US needed.
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Wouldn't you love to see the Auditor General and CDPP, backed by the AFP go through the joint. Followed by an open, independent inquiry; Lordy – how the feathers would fly then.

If I had a master plan, it won't start in the USA; but at home with local talent, leadership and plain, old fashioned Oz honesty and a love of a 'fair go'. Fat chance – right..

Did you hear the one about the two testicles and the scrotum?....
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