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Old 21st Jul 2014, 21:16
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Distractions abound.

Recent events have diverted attention away from our domestic mini tragedy and the anticipated release of the Canadian TSB report on the ATSB. Perhaps we worry needlessly; it could be that 'Beaker does the Ukraine' has a happy ending, the one where someone shoots him in the arse and shuts him up.

Sarcs –" AIPA’s message on the importance of maintaining a fully independent ATsB is also consistent.

AIPA‘s submission highlighted their very real concerns with the continuing demise of the ATsB.
004 My source tells me that Beaker has signed on for another two years as Chief Commissioner, confirmed. Heaven help us.
Sarcs "Maybe this disgusting, underhanded, bureaucratic morsel was what caused the good Senator Nick to suddenly bolt from the Senate Chamber on Wednesday and to have a sick note supplied on the Thursday, for it would be news that would cause any reasonable (man at the back of the room) person to want to vomit.."

"If the 004 source of info be true, then I have no doubt that the unified (still angry) Senators will not let that miniscule decision slide through, unchecked and not commented on, especially with the TSBC peer review report still pending and now a Privileges Committee inquiry in tow".
TSB report - embarrassment or blessing in disguise? It is going to be interesting to see whenever (or indeed if), it does gets published. Will the TSB report mirror what the majority of professionals think – that the ATSB is an essential, invaluable weapon in the air safety arsenal? Neither the British, Canadian or the USA governments have a subservient handmaiden to regulator, only Australia seems to have allowed this travesty. One question to ask is, how would the other NAA have responded to Pel Air?. Considering this leads you to ask how can the CTSB report possibly fail to utterly damn Beaker: if gross, indecent hypocrisy is to be avoided, that is.

It is worth your time to examine SR A-14-022 from the NTSB – not from an 'operational' perspective; but from a 'systems' perspective. The way the NTSB and FAA have set about actually 'sorting' and addressing the issues. There is not any Wodger sleight of hand, no selective distribution of paper work, no manipulation of 'facts', very few deliberate omissions and absolutely nothing swept under the carpet. This is, IMO what we have lost in Australia and should be demanding it back, seeing as how we pay for service.

As long as the Beaker posterior is firmly planted and until the Minuscule gives ATSB real leadership the IOS can only assume that the Forsyth review and the TSB report are simply window dressing, the rhetoric, hot air and any chance of real safety system improvements or action; diluted, to a fare the well. Impartiality, integrity or education all fed to the voracious wolves at Sleepy Hollow as a morning snack...

(Jingles – PW is indeed a good bet, BUT, don't forget – last outing the beast was blinked and only accelerated due to some severe, expertly done interference 'from behind' – no other option available. There's still some Steward interest in the last event. Who knows? perhaps new evidence of this from the Dark Horse is in play). Either way - you pays your money and takes your chances._.

Toot toot.

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Old 22nd Jul 2014, 01:10
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Beaker farce – The return of Reason!

Kharon:
Recent events have diverted attention away from our domestic mini tragedy and the anticipated release of the Canadian TSB report on the ATSB. Perhaps we worry needlessly; it could be that 'Beaker does the Ukraine' has a happy ending, the one where someone shoots him in the arse and shuts him up.
004:
What a farce, the Beaker flew out to the Ukraine today to assist with the investigation of MH17!!!
TB:
Good old Beaker will sit around the hotel sipping Lattes, maybe do a bit of sightseeing, with a bit of luck get popped by a drunken separatist, but I doubt he'll get to see a bit of road kill, let alone anything else…
“K”, 004 & TB my sentiments exactly…

Despite the Jinglie statement that Beaker is simply a muppet put in place to cover up the multitude of failings (at all levels) of the bureau & Fort Fumble, IMO it is simply unacceptable that this muppet, while expounding his (penny pinching) BASR philosophy, continues in the bureau CC/spokesman position…

TSBC peer review report overdue??

Taking up on the “K” post with a Selleys (gap filler) moment…

“…It is worth your time to examine SR A-14-022 from the NTSB – not from an 'operational' perspective; but from a 'systems' perspective…”

“K” is referring to a NTSB SR that I first drew attention to at post #1966:
Which is followed by…

“…The NTSB is vitally interested in these recommendations because they are designed to prevent accidents and save lives. We would appreciate receiving a response from you within 30days regarding A-14-22 (Urgent) and 90 days regarding A-14-23 detailing the actions you have taken or intend to take to implement them…”

Through the user friendly NTSB SR system, it is also possible to actively monitor the outcomes of these SRs…
Within the 30 day requirement (unlike FF who have been known to obfuscate SRs for up to a decade or more..), the FAA ‘immediately’ actioned the NTSB ‘urgent’ SR and sent the following correspondence in response:
Response Date:
5/30/2014
Response:
-From Michael P. Huerta, Administrator: The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has reviewed the Board's concerns and its questions related to operators owned by HoTJ-1, Inc. An independent team of Flight Standards National Field Office (AFS-900) Aviation Safety Inspectors (ASIs) from outside of Alaska was assembled and immediately dispatched to Alaska to conduct an audit on Hageland Aviation Inc.’s (EPUA) Title 14, Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) Part 135 operations. The evaluation was conducted from April 28 to May 9, 2014. at the EPUA main base of operation in Anchorage and Palmer. Alaska. Station and aircraft ramp inspections were conducted in Anchorage, Barrow. Bethel, Deadhorse, Fairbanks, Palmer, and St. Mary's, Alaska. Multiple enroute inspections were also conducted on the various fleet types operated by EPUA. The results of the EPUA audit are being reviewed to determine appropriate action. Several areas of concern within the broad areas identified by the Board were documented by the team and communicated to EPUA key management personnel and the FAA certificate management team responsible for the oversight of EPUA. Era Aviation (ERAA), a part 121 certificate holder owned by HoTH, was the subject of a national Air Carrier Evaluation Process (ACEP) audit conducted by an independent team of AFS-900 ASIs from outside of Alaska. The ACEP, which concluded in June 2013, revealed weak areas within the broad categories identified by the Board. As a result, follow-up actions have been taken and continue to be implemented by HoTH and the FAA. AFS-900 plans to send another independent team of ASIs to conduct a national ACEP audit on ERAA in the first quarter of Fiscal Year 2015. This audit will include a review of the discrepancies previously identified in the June 2013 ACEP audit. Additionally, the FAA's Director of Flight Standards Service and his Deputy will travel to Alaska in July 2014 to meet with regional and office personnel to discuss the HoTH situation and assess progress being made by the certificate holders to correct the identified deficiencies. I will keep the Board informed of the FAA's progress on this safety recommendation and provide an updated response by August 31, 2015.
Notice that the FAA don’t argue the TOSS on the NTSB findings, nor do they question the NTSB suggested SR actions, in fact they expand on the SR with planned further actions.

Compare to Beaker’s BASR with Pel-Air, from my post #1966:
..In the ATsB final report of the investigation into the ditching of VH-NGA under the heading Organisational and management information the bureau made the following cursory summary of CAsA’s oversight of PelAir…

“…The regulatory requirements affecting the flight were administered by CASA and established a number of risk controls for the operation that were promulgated in the Civil Aviation Regulations (CAR) and CAOs. Those controls related to the operator, the pilot in command (PIC) and the conduct of the flight. Surveillance was carried out by CASA of operators’ procedures and operations to ensure that such flights were conducted in accordance with those approvals and the relevant regulations and orders…

…but after the findings of the Senate AAI inquiry and on CAsA’s own admissions (& the Chamberpot report), there were many obvious deficiencies in the regulator’s oversight of the PelAir Operation that were contributory to the ditching.

However in the ATsB’s blinkered view these safety issues were not significant enough to issue either a significant safety issue or SR to the regulator and the rest is history.
I could pick up on many quotes from the PelAir inquiry that go to this issue but the following from Bryan Aherne captures the Beaker (politically correct) BASR methodology vs the rest of the AAI world methodology...

"...Senator XENOPHON:Can you give us any insight into the relationship between CASA and the ATSB? There was a report in 2007 and there are MOUs and protocols between the two. From your knowledge of the interplay between ATSB and CASA do you think that that balance is right or that there are issues there?

Mr Aherne : If this report is anything to judge that by, no.

Senator XENOPHON:In what way?

Mr Aherne : CASA and the ATSB must necessarily cooperate, but it does not mean that they lie in the same bed. What they need to do is have a very healthy respect for one another, but you need a distance to stand off. You need to be strictly independent in this game because you only get one shot at this stuff, and clearly in this case the ATSB has not even mentioned anything about the failure of the life jackets…"

Hmm..not sure what political games that RED & the miniscule are playing at by keeping Beaker in the CC position?? Maybe it is the adage that it is “better the devil you know”?? However the IOS & Senators will not accept Beaker as a permanent fixture for too much longer…

Even the international media are fast catching on that the veracity of Beaker (as the bureau spokesperson) is questionable, surely it is only a matter of time before this muppet passes his use by date??

TICK..TOCK bring back ‘Reason’ miniscule & FFS release the TSBC report!

MTF…

ps I’m with Jinglie for the MoP Stakes.. Despite recent form PW finished fast for a credible 2nd in the 2010 MoU Cup, which is raced over the same distance and on a similar track. So my pick is ‘Pearly White’, who was incidently sired by ‘Aloo’, winner of the 2004 MoU Cup….
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Old 22nd Jul 2014, 01:58
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To whichever moderators may be concerned.

I can manage the fact that little of either Kharon or SARCs posts are intelligible. And I can mange that of those bits that are intelligible little is factual.

However it is unacceptable, at all times and all places for either of them to cruelly waste those few words which are intelligible by mentioning the Ukraine while grieving relatives and friends are still seeing pictures of body bags on the TV.

Comic demonstrations of their glibness with an Encyclopaedia of Greek Mythology and a Thesaurus are one thing. I expect no wisdom, sense, logic or even facts. But common decency is another thing and I hope they can be counselled to remove any offending posts and go find a church somewhere where there's a memorial service and sit quietly.

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Old 22nd Jul 2014, 02:15
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While not intending to trespass on your grief Algie, may I respectfully point your attention to the following link that has 708 replies and 835,742 hits as I write.


http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...onetsk-36.html


There appears to be a significant amount of hand wringing on this topic and it's probably best to treat the matter as educational and unemotional as possible. I like to ask the simple question first, "what can we learn from all this" and that answer should point you to who had the duty of care.


In my opinion, and I'll say no more, Dolan will not achieve anything for those grieving, let alone arrive at the conclusion so obvious to all but politically insignificant.


I doubt the previous posters considered your grief. I certainly had no idea until your emotional post. I'll pray with you if it helps.
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Old 22nd Jul 2014, 03:41
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Ah Carrion or whatever, as they say you set low standards and woefully fail to meet them. Yet in your own lunchbox....a real legend

Sigh.....
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Old 22nd Jul 2014, 09:29
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BEAKER

Algie,

That twit Beaker will do nothing but cause those grieving more grief! What on earth were they thinking even letting him talk to the camera. He loves the camera (except the Senate one). The CPT was a mate of mine from way back. I hope he rests in peace! Beaker being involved has infuriated me. How dare we serve the deceased passengers and experienced crew with an expert on hot coffee spills and falls from heights.

Don't get upset with Kharon, SARCS etc. Send your grief to Minuscule Truss for embarrassing our great country.

RIP alls souls onboard.
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Aagh yes, must be a full moon, Algie has come out to play. What's the matter Algie, you getting bored posting on the Victoria police facebook page? It's been a while since you called for moderator intervention, complained about Kharon's method of writing, you know all the usual gripes.

Back to the thread. Sarcs old chap, my source tells me that the Miniscule does not want the Canucks report released. This could be very significant because if true, why would the Miniscule want it buried? Well why not I say. This is a government of deception and lies. They pulled the plug on making the Senate submissions public, they pulled the plug on reporting about asylum boats, so it makes sense that if the Canucks report even remotely smells like a fart it will be locked away! But in reality I was suspecting it would be more of a wet lettuce slap if anything. After all we are dealing with scrutiny of a government agency and you can't have that. Remember that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, so of course they are using all of their bags of tricks. So naturally a governments agency's are going to act in the same way as their masters.

Time will tell, tis all a fun game....I was thinking of ending my post with some Geek mythology or a shanty, but I don't have time as its BBQ time on the Houseboat. Kharon is doing the cooking, Gobbledock is bringing the beer and Sarcs and myself are doing the pole dancing!
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gee whiz minister truss. not prepared to admit that you are watching 300 million dollars being wasted by the shamans of safety.

gutless warren. totally gutless.
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Old 22nd Jul 2014, 10:41
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Truss - Beaker problem

004,

I think I can add to your info. Opinion, of course.

Pumpkin Head tells Truss to re-appoint Beaker. Truss approves, after a G&T and some cucumber sandwiches. "Good with the money" says Warren as he smiles at Pumpkin Head and his string of advisors writing furiously, trying to come up with a 5 point plan to fix aviation safety. Amongst the skilled advisors are;

three 23 year olds on uni research in marketing,
two 27 year old lawyers who can't get a job in the real world, and
three 70+ year olds smoking cigars, wearing eye-patches, Canberra's finest no doubt.

The Senators find out, and Fawcett goes ballistic. He can't do anything though as his political hands are tied to Truss. Fawcett speaks to NX who decides to raise an MoP. All good, but NX on his own is not enough, so they rally Heff (who has no regard for Beaker) and doesn't care too much about party politics, Then the clanger, Sterle goes in to back Heff and NX (opposition now so no issue there)!!!

Doesn't it seem odd that the key detective in this whole shambles, i.e "good Dave" hasn't raised an MoP with NX, Heff and Sterle????

Well played good Steward's.

Game Over Beaker!

Opinion, of course.

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Old 22nd Jul 2014, 11:06
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this qantas guy who is being touted as a very respected australian aviator
he wouldn't happen to be the qantas requester of all things synchronised with easa so that qantas could get maint done in the east european shops would he?

heeees not going to get much respect.
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this qantas guy who is being touted as a very respected australian aviator he wouldn't happen to be the qantas requester of all things synchronised with easa so that qantas could get maint done in the east european shops would he?
It would be very unusual for anybody at QF to engage in such a covert plan to achieve self served interests and receive highly lucrative bonuses! Surely not? Besides, Australian aviation revolves around the Roo. All Joyce has to do is say to CAsA "we would like EASA because it works out better for us" and Fort Fumble would approve, with the blessings of its Masters of course.
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Back to the thread and Beaker

Does anyone know what sort of life jackets NGA had on the night? Also if Israeli Ind have changed the spec on the aircraft regarding the raft? Do they still have the spec or is it in Canada or the US now?
Would have been nice to know in the report beaker!
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Does anyone know what sort of life jackets NGA had on the night? Also if Israeli Ind have changed the spec on the aircraft regarding the raft? Do they still have the spec or is it in Canada or the US now?
Would have been nice to know in the report beaker!
Not sure, I just phoned him and all I could hear in the background was the sound of a coffee machine, and when I posed the question to him he responded with "mi mi.....mi......mi mi mi", so go figure, I sure as hell couldn't understand him!
Either way it is irrelevant as ATsB have already concluded that the ditching was a minor occurrence, a glitch in the matrix, nothing of real interest to be found. Just like Lockhart....the pack of fools led by a bumbling nupty.
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Beaker wisdom??

I wonder if he has the current version of ICAO Annnex 13 with him?? He may be using the edition that Fawcett pineappled him with! That was a great day to watch that smug prick Beaker, with the wrong edition.
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Just like Lockhart....the pack of fools led by a bumbling nupty.
You sure about that 004? Go back and have a look who was in charge during that investigation.
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Old 22nd Jul 2014, 20:31
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Are those MoUse droppings?

Sarcs " Certainly is a lot to like about the NTSB/TSBC board system and it is obvious that they are truly operating independently and unencumbered by the regulator.
Ayup: and for mine, one of the most impressive aspects of the NTSB, FAA and operator response to SR A-14-022 is the easy balance of tension between potentially conflicted parties. The approach taken was – Hey, we do have a problem; and, they all rolled up their sleeves and went to work on a solution. That is the very healthy attitude I would like to see Australia adopt; NTSB identified some issues; FAA fixed those issues and the Operator embraced the fix – job done, no foul, no penalty, just an improved safety outcome. Well done. No aberrations there..

Lockhart was a watershed (tick for Lefty). But, whoever was 'running it', it is the top of Quinn's pendulum swing, Aherne amplified it and AIPA defined it. The pendulum arc tracks the diminishment of ATSB; from Lockhart through Whyalla to Pel Air. The take on the MoU same thing; the notion that the Miller report has been progressively manipulated almost to the point where ATSB may, essentially, be 'told' what the required outcome of a report is to be and they cooperate, has merit. The few published responses to the WLR indicate that, almost everyone is opposed to CASA being trusted with ATSB information, until some maturity is achieved and confidence restored that is...

It's part of an issue which must be addressed by the new DAS, down at grass roots level. There are several letters floating about in which CASA insist that built into a company operations manual must be a statement which 'mandates' that a copy of any report (IRM or RRM) provided to ATSB must be sent to CASA, at the same time...'nuff sed.

Now is the right time for the TSBC report to be released, warts and all (if any). We have a positive review, a change of DAS, the support of a very plugged in Senate committee and a once in a life time 'true' expert in David Fawcett to 'balance' that change, there's even some unity in industry. There has never been a better time, nor opportunity for significant change to happen; and the next chance may be a long, long wait away.

Lets just get this done...Now would be good; right now better still.

Toot toot.

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Extract received by me from Letter Truss dated 06MAY2014

QUOTE: "In relation to the retrieval of the VH-NGA flight recorders, it was considered that the data would offer little information directly relevant to the key safety issues in the investigation that were not already available from other sources. In addition the ATSB advised that any information obtained would not likely lead to any commensurately significant safety learning or improvement in transport safety." QUOTE.


If the likely significant safety learning advice from the Ukraine disaster is not to fly through war zones, why is everybody so focused on the FDR's of that aircraft? Isn't there enough available evidence to identify a lesson to be learnt and react to that? I'm only quoting from the Truss letter. One should also ask why the FDR was installed in VH-NGA in the first place.


Dolan wouldn't be able to identify a stolen Ukrainian BUK missile from a Russian one and neither can the Americans or Australian Politicians.
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Beaker would think a BUK is a strong blend of Ukrainian coffee! Fool. What a low in the proud history of aviation in this country having that twit up front. How did it get so bad, and why is he still there??
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More bounce for your Buck.

The MoP thing is a fascinating puzzle, but I'm not convinced Fawcett could raise the issues – directly – I expect the proper form was followed; Heff and Sterle are 'joint' chairs. That only leaves the independent NX, perhaps he has different matters for consideration, dunno. Either way – it's got some pretty wise heads being scratched. All kinds of bets on – from Pot plants to A380 ratings. Information is hard to nail down, and even the traditional offers of bags of sweets or nights with nubile sisters are having no effect. Curse it...

Jinglie "I wonder if he has the current version of ICAO Annnex 13 with him??
Oh yes, that was a grave error, trying to out fox Fawcett, who actually had the correct version. That one smart arsed bluff, for me, clearly defined the Beaker character. Game call though; pulling the tail of a man the calibre of Fawcett is not for the feint hearted. But, I reckon it's the Annexe 19 bluff Beaker needs to be watching out for – I hear the FAA/ICAO are calling bollocks on compliance and are not happy campers. Poor old Beaker – needs a reality fix. He provokes the same reaction as the Gillard creature, cringe (or change channels). When MH 370 was in the news - the boss of the AMSA was interviewed and it was a pleasure to see a calm, honest, competent, professional individual doing the best job possible. Then Houston pops up, and again the same thing; integrity and competence writ large. Same again with the two fellah's despatched to the Ukraine, rock solid. It's way beyond my humble skills to sketch a comparison between Beaker to these professionals.

IMO - Between CASA and Beaker people like Ben Cook and Mal Christie have been treated abominably by those with very few qualifications and much less integrity. Any accountant can run the books, hell a qualified book keeper could do it. We have no need of these administrative types to be running critical safety investigations or managing essential organisations. Look at the buggers muddle Pel Air turned out to be if you think they should.

Would a Houston have recovered the Pel Air black box?

Would a Ben Cook have smudged the ledger to make the page add up?

Would either have manipulated facts and ignored evidence?

Would they tell the world about the life vest issues?

Yet it smugly stands there, the Beaker; reappointed and with enough neck to slither in front of a camera at every opportunity and flap his jaw. Perhaps there is a case for military or AMSA intervention if the minuscule can't see where the ATSB is heading. Why persist with Beaker?, why does he stay where no one, bar the co conspirators want him? Why do we keep him, let some one else mind the tea money while all the real, qualified talent and front line investigators have gone to the Ukraine. I'd bet a beer that when they come home, Beaker will be puffing out his chest, capering about the place picking up the kudos crumbs, like a puppy at a BBQ. It's disgusting, truly, really, absolutely disgraceful.

Selah..-.-
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Snoop Third MoP sponsor: The case of the shrinking Attachment B??

Kharon at post #1062 of Truss thread said:
There are three (in total) Matters of Privilege before the committee. No one knows who or what is involved, clues are hard to find, information even harder. This is unfair of course, the public service has a duty to leak, but, alas, not this time. There are a few well founded speculative arguments, my personal choice is the tricky business with the Pel Air inquiry, which drags White and Chambers into the funny coloured light of the MoU, unsigned NCN, the gross insults to Ben Cook and Mal Christie which led to resignation. Couple of bright, highly qualified, skilled, dedicated honourable men cannot tolerate or be associated with an aberration such as CAIR 09/3 and other 'manipulated' documents. If the Senate have uncovered any sort of skulduggery, there'll be hell to pay and ferry fares to find.
Three MoPs on the Senators APH dining room table, I can only count two “K”, but then (after reading on) the penny dropped. Although I am not sure if it counts as a contempt of the Senate but could be significant in the running of the ‘MoP stakes’...

Backtracking a little: Before the RRAT committee finally handed down its report and even before FF discretely made their 01 March 2013 sup submission, I was happily trolling through the Senate Submissions webpage when I came across an interesting discrepancy. However due the late hour of the AAI inquiry proceedings, I was otherwise distracted and was unable to return to scratch the itch. It wasn’t till I read the late FF sup submission that I experienced a déjà vu moment.

To begin with here is an extract from the 2004 MoU & 2010 MoU that is of significance:




It can be seen that besides the addition of para 9.3 the two MoUs basically remain in effect for the same period of time, with the same conditions for varying, extending or terminating. From that one has to question how it was possible for the PelAir parallel investigation to have been conducted under the guidance of the 2010 MoU, when it was yet to be officially executed. Maybe there had been an ‘exchange of letters’ between Beaker & McComic which had terminated the ’04 MoU. However that would have meant that such agreement between parties would have necessitated bringing forward the official execution of the ’10 MoU and we know that didn’t happen. We also now know that FF were at least operating to the DRAFT version of the ’10 MoU in conducting their PelAir parallel investigation...

From the infamous (previously hidden) CAIR 09/3 report:


The veracity of which was backed up by the 01 March 2013 FF sup submission:



Now I know that there is ample political/legal wriggle room in all this and that the MoUs are not in fact legally binding, but it does bring me to my déjà vu moment i.e. the mysterious 3rd MoP.

Here is the original FF PelAir submission attachment (B, C & D): Original
Which you can see had 102 pages & contained the 1996, 2001, 2004, 2010 MoUs & the infamous CAIR 09/3 report.

Now here is what is supposed to be the same document that continues to be readily available off the Senate PelAir inquiry webpage: Current (B, C & D i.e. Attachment 5). Except the attachment has shrunk and is now only 82 pages?? Some may think that this is merely the RRAT committee Secretariat cleaning up the files (i.e. getting rid of blank pages or double ups). However I seriously don’t think that any officer of the Secretariat, no matter how OCD they may be, would even contemplate altering a published & protected under Parliamentary privilege document, it would be akin to career suicide.

So what pages are now missing??

Ok page one still lists the contents of attachment B – CHECK
Then we have the 1996 MoU till page 20 – CHECK
However then the ‘current’ doc jumps to attachment C, completely omitting the 2001 & 2004 MoU...

So there you go, has a person or persons unknown (& for reasons unknown) deliberately altered a Parliamentary document ?(i.e. a possible third MoP??)...

Q/ The next question is why?? After all the MoU is not a legally binding document.

Q/ Does it matter?? Probably not but considering the timeframe for this deliberate act (between the dates 15 February ‘13 to 01 March ‘13) and some of the references contained within the FF sup submission, I have some strong suspicions on motive…

Moving along on to the other part of the “K” quote (plus his above post) on the matter of Ben Cook. In the above extract from the FF sup submission at subpara 2.12 it mentions that there were 4 CAsA officers tasked with conducting the PelAir accident investigation. What the submission failed to mention was that one of those officers was in fact Ben Cook (reference page 3 of CAIR 09/3). Which is quite interesting given the obvious antagonism towards BC on display in subpara 2.5 – 2.10 (see HERE)

Extract subpara 2.9 – 2.10



Presumably (as stated in 2.10) BC was afforded the same courtesy to comment on the DRAFT version of CAIR 09/3, which made the following cursory statement in reference to the comprehensive & rather damning findings of the PelAir FRMS that were published in the FRMS Special Audit report (authored by BC & MC):



Put yourself in the shoes of BC at the time & you were the FF Manager of Human Factors and resident guru on FRMS, who was currently sitting on the ICAO Fatigue Risk Management Systems Task Force (FRMSTF) (see his CV here). And you were faced with the prospect of having to sign off on that report, what would you do?? Personally I’d jump ship and that is exactly what BC did and as they say the rest is history:
Experience
Deputy Director Human & Systems Performance
Directorate of Defence Aviation & Air Force Safety
August 2010 – Present (4 years)

Human Factors, Safety Analysis, Safety Education & Training
Air Safety Investigator
Directorate of Defence Aviation & Air Force Safety
August 2010 – Present (4 years)

Manager Human Factors
Civil Aviation Safety Authority
October 2007 – July 2010 (2 years 10 months)

Human Factors Field Operations
Airservices Australia
June 2006 – September 2007 (1 year 4 months)

Pilot, Flying Instructor, Aviation Safety Officer
Royal Australian Air Force
May 1991 – May 2006 (15 years 1 month) Various
Observation: All woads seem to lead to that wascily, wabbit Wodger’s wabbit hole, therefore I am now leaning towards Wodger’s Wocket as my personal favourite for the ‘MoP Stakes’..

MTF…

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