Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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LAME wages
SHORT CIRCUIT
To reiterate.
1. Qantas lame Starts on $53,700 seeking only CPI 3% increase that most unions have already signed off on.
2. Virgin lame earns about $141,000
3. Jetstar LAME starts on $110,000
4. QantasLink LAME start on $115,000
What we need are facts, and what is stated above is not entirely factual, here are the facts.
1. QANTAS LAME starting point @ JAN 1 2010
To reiterate.
1. Qantas lame Starts on $53,700 seeking only CPI 3% increase that most unions have already signed off on.
2. Virgin lame earns about $141,000
3. Jetstar LAME starts on $110,000
4. QantasLink LAME start on $115,000
What we need are facts, and what is stated above is not entirely factual, here are the facts.
1. QANTAS LAME starting point @ JAN 1 2010
Entry Point
Non-Group 20/21- Level 1 $53,726 PA
Group 20/21 Non-Company type with
Group 20/21 Non-Company type with
less
than 12 months experience -Level 2 $57,717 PA
Group 20/21 Non-Company type with more
Group 20/21 Non-Company type with more
than 12 months experience -Level 3 $59,044 PA
1st Company Aircraft Rating -
Level 4 $63,474 PA
2 type ratings aproximately $67910 PA
Lots of aircraft types and years of experience can result in a higher
grade such as Level 15 $113,602 PA
In addition shift penalties, holiday loading, travel allowances etc are paid
2. VIRGIN LAME
B1 or B2 or E,I & R on 2 aircraft $141,000 PA
Includes all shift penalties, holiday loading and travel allowance etc
3. JETSTAR LAME
Mech / AV on 1 type $110,000 PA
Add about $5000 for second type( I think) $115,000 PA
Includes all shift penalties, holiday loading and travel allowance etc
4. QANTASLINK LAME
Non-Group 20/21- Level 1 $53,304 PA
Single category on Group 20/21-Level 2 $58,027 PA
2 categories on 2 aircraft - Level 3A $66,883 PA
3 categories on 3 aircraft types -Level 4C $80,505 PA
In addition shift penalties, holiday loading, travel allowances etc are paid These figures are for the LAME"s based in Brisbane & Tamworth who have not had a payrise since July 2009.
So to give a fair comparison the following amounts would be an estimate for a LAME with 2 categories on 2 aircraft doing a 4 on/ 4 off shift with no OT.
1. QANTAS LAME $98,470
2. VIRGIN LAME $141,000
3. JETSTAR LAME $115,000
4. QANTASLINK LAME $96,980
Of course a LAME at QANTAS or LINK may only have single category on 1 aircraft working days and earlies Mon to Friday and would get paid substantially less than an equivilent LAME at the 2 LCC.
Happy to discuss this,
regards
ausmastiff
2 type ratings aproximately $67910 PA
Lots of aircraft types and years of experience can result in a higher
grade such as Level 15 $113,602 PA
In addition shift penalties, holiday loading, travel allowances etc are paid
2. VIRGIN LAME
B1 or B2 or E,I & R on 2 aircraft $141,000 PA
Includes all shift penalties, holiday loading and travel allowance etc
3. JETSTAR LAME
Mech / AV on 1 type $110,000 PA
Add about $5000 for second type( I think) $115,000 PA
Includes all shift penalties, holiday loading and travel allowance etc
4. QANTASLINK LAME
Non-Group 20/21- Level 1 $53,304 PA
Single category on Group 20/21-Level 2 $58,027 PA
2 categories on 2 aircraft - Level 3A $66,883 PA
3 categories on 3 aircraft types -Level 4C $80,505 PA
In addition shift penalties, holiday loading, travel allowances etc are paid These figures are for the LAME"s based in Brisbane & Tamworth who have not had a payrise since July 2009.
So to give a fair comparison the following amounts would be an estimate for a LAME with 2 categories on 2 aircraft doing a 4 on/ 4 off shift with no OT.
1. QANTAS LAME $98,470
2. VIRGIN LAME $141,000
3. JETSTAR LAME $115,000
4. QANTASLINK LAME $96,980
Of course a LAME at QANTAS or LINK may only have single category on 1 aircraft working days and earlies Mon to Friday and would get paid substantially less than an equivilent LAME at the 2 LCC.
Happy to discuss this,
regards
ausmastiff
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LAME wages
SHORT CIRCUIT
To reiterate.
1. Qantas lame Starts on $53,700 seeking only CPI 3% increase that most unions have already signed off on.
2. Virgin lame earns about $141,000
3. Jetstar LAME starts on $110,000
4. QantasLink LAME start on $115,000
What we need are facts, and what is stated above is not entirely factual, here are the facts.
1. QANTAS LAME starting point @ JAN 1 2010
Group 20/21 Non-Company type with
To reiterate.
1. Qantas lame Starts on $53,700 seeking only CPI 3% increase that most unions have already signed off on.
2. Virgin lame earns about $141,000
3. Jetstar LAME starts on $110,000
4. QantasLink LAME start on $115,000
What we need are facts, and what is stated above is not entirely factual, here are the facts.
1. QANTAS LAME starting point @ JAN 1 2010
Entry Point
Non-Group 20/21- Level 1 $53,726 PA
Group 20/21 Non-Company type with
less
than 12 months experience -Level 2 $57,717 PA
Group 20/21 Non-Company type with more
than 12 months experience -Level 3 $59,044 PA
than 12 months experience -Level 3 $59,044 PA
1st Company Aircraft Rating -
Level 4 $63,474 PA
2 type ratings aproximately $67910 PA
Lots of aircraft types and years of experience can result in a higher
grade such as Level 15 $113,602 PA
grade such as Level 15 $113,602 PA
In addition shift penalties, holiday loading, travel allowances etc are paid
2. VIRGIN LAME
B1 or B2 or E,I & R on 2 aircraft $141,000 PA
B1 or B2 or E,I & R on 2 aircraft $141,000 PA
Includes all shift penalties, holiday loading and travel allowance etc
3. JETSTAR LAME
Mech / AV on 1 type $110,000 PA
Mech / AV on 1 type $110,000 PA
Add about $5000 for second type( I think) $115,000 PA
Includes all shift penalties, holiday loading and travel allowance etc
4. QANTASLINK LAME
Non-Group 20/21- Level 1 $53,304 PA
Non-Group 20/21- Level 1 $53,304 PA
Single category on Group 20/21-Level 2 $58,027 PA
2 categories on 2 aircraft - Level 3A $66,883 PA
3 categories on 3 aircraft types -Level 4C $80,505 PA
In addition shift penalties, holiday loading, travel allowances etc are paid These figures are for the LAME"s based in Brisbane & Tamworth who have not had a payrise since July 2009.
So to give a fair comparison the following amounts would be an estimate for a LAME with 2 categories on 2 aircraft doing a 4 on/ 4 off shift with no OT.
1. QANTAS LAME $98,470
2. VIRGIN LAME $141,000
3. JETSTAR LAME $115,000
4. QANTASLINK LAME $96,980
2. VIRGIN LAME $141,000
3. JETSTAR LAME $115,000
4. QANTASLINK LAME $96,980
Of course a LAME at QANTAS or LINK may only have single category on 1 aircraft working days and earlies Mon to Friday and would get paid substantially less than an equivilent LAME at the 2 LCC.
Happy to discuss this,
regards
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All union supporters need to realise that 98% of shareholders don't support you. Never fight against the market and we have now seen strong support from the equity market for QF stock and effectively AJ. Best advice is to get back to work and do your jobs, if you don't like it, you know where the door is. Rest assured that on the other side of that door, there are plenty waiting to take your job!!
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You're talking ****e NP. Whilst the few (242) people/institutions that own 96% of the shares may blindly follow LC and AJ, 98% of the total individual shareholders (mums and dads) most certainly do not. A distinction conveniently forgotten by the QF spin masters.
And let us remember one thing. The unions are still here and we will live to fight another day. AJ and LC have used their one big gun. The country will not tolerate any management pulling this same stunt again.
Mind you both men will be gone by the time the next EBA rolls around. Their Qasia pipe dream will go the same way as Jetstar pacific. They will be eaten alive and sent home with their tales in between their legs. After which AJ and
LC will parachute out of the place. If they hang around that long.
.....Because, as Capt Sullenberger of the miracle on the Hudson flight said as he testified before the U.S. Congress into the state of the aviation industry there, "We now find ourselves at the mercy of a revolving door of management teams intent on using airlines employees as an ATM".
And let us remember one thing. The unions are still here and we will live to fight another day. AJ and LC have used their one big gun. The country will not tolerate any management pulling this same stunt again.
Mind you both men will be gone by the time the next EBA rolls around. Their Qasia pipe dream will go the same way as Jetstar pacific. They will be eaten alive and sent home with their tales in between their legs. After which AJ and
LC will parachute out of the place. If they hang around that long.
.....Because, as Capt Sullenberger of the miracle on the Hudson flight said as he testified before the U.S. Congress into the state of the aviation industry there, "We now find ourselves at the mercy of a revolving door of management teams intent on using airlines employees as an ATM".
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1.60, 2.60 or $3.60....makes no difference to my own personal situation. The point is the message behind the share price reaction. That message is loud and clear. YOU LOST!
1.60, 2.60 or $3.60....makes no difference to my own personal situation. The point is the message behind the share price reaction. That message is loud and clear. YOU LOST!
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We didn't get the outcome we sought in one court hearing. I don't think we have lost anything yet.
Remember guys most of these trolls are working to undermine our unity from the crisis center in Mascot.
Remember guys most of these trolls are working to undermine our unity from the crisis center in Mascot.
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Julia and crew asking some hard questions of Abbott, regarding how much he knew and his intricate relationship with AJ and LC ...... and silence from the Opposition.
Watching today's debate, brings one a sense of relief that the ALP has not completely lost it's way nor abondoned some principles.
Gillard, Albanese and Shorten giving Q management a good ol' boot.
Watching today's debate, brings one a sense of relief that the ALP has not completely lost it's way nor abondoned some principles.
Gillard, Albanese and Shorten giving Q management a good ol' boot.
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We didn't get the outcome we sought in one court hearing. I don't think we have lost anything yet.
Remember guys most of these trolls are working to undermine our unity from the crisis center in Mascot
Remember guys most of these trolls are working to undermine our unity from the crisis center in Mascot
VBPCGUY, you had better hope that the unions have not completely lost or you will be "Location: Stacking freight in the hold" for a lot less money in the future, if the job exists at all.
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Bastard boys
Looks like the ABC has got the plot for the next installment of
Bastard boys!!!
QF may be feeling pretty smug right now but the game is not over yet.
I still have 100 percent support for the ALAEA and a renewed hatred of
QF management and especially that fraud in charge.
And to all our little managers, you only have a job while we
have a job. Who you going to manage when it's all offshore?
You want to be careful who you get in bed with, remember you lay
Down with dogs you wake up with fleas!
Keep up the good work Steve and all the ALAEA exec
Bastard boys!!!
QF may be feeling pretty smug right now but the game is not over yet.
I still have 100 percent support for the ALAEA and a renewed hatred of
QF management and especially that fraud in charge.
And to all our little managers, you only have a job while we
have a job. Who you going to manage when it's all offshore?
You want to be careful who you get in bed with, remember you lay
Down with dogs you wake up with fleas!
Keep up the good work Steve and all the ALAEA exec
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ausmastiff
Thanks for all that effort in wage calculations. I have to admit because it was early morning and had a few, I cut most of the info from another poster post and massaged it to what I thought close.
You have however, confirmed that QF & Link pay less than Virgin & Jetstar for LAME which was the point of the exercise.
You have however, confirmed that QF & Link pay less than Virgin & Jetstar for LAME which was the point of the exercise.
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Arnold Im on less than my QF counterpart anyway, in our last EBA negotiations by the TWU we were screwed like you would not believe, told they had applied for PIA and that they were offering non union members three months for free so that they could have maximum impact....................then the facts came out the TWU had never applied for PIA and my bank account is being raided by the TWU, it took a nasty letter for them to cease taking money from my account, I wasnt a union person before I signed up for this so called three months for free, I will never join any union ever again and after the FWA announcement on Monday morning unions in this country are dead anyway.
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new piper,you can be ashored there is a line of people waiting to get into an airline but it is not Qantas,once that virgin hangar opens in Sydney,qantas will be hemorrhaging engineers.
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All union supporters need to realise that 98% of shareholders don't support you.
" the HOLDERS of 98% of the shares do not support you"
Which amounts to about 4 entities I believe.
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Just to clarify, your quotes for Virgin LAME's is absolute top end only, and is no where near the average. They have stopped the B1 gap training due to cost so most B1 guys are restricted and not on that money.
Significantly it is also based on a 40hr average week so there is a built in overtime component worth around 10k per year.
Significantly it is also based on a 40hr average week so there is a built in overtime component worth around 10k per year.