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sky news, (on the case) just got this from the ABC..... is this OK?
She's gone for the French Sailor look....
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Can't get the link for the clip on Sky News at 16:15 but can tell you that I watched it and in my opinion, your answers came across calmly and specifically answering everything that the extreme right wing, big end of town and Coalition supporter Spiers put to you on behalf of Qantas. Well done.
Can't get the link for the clip on Sky News at 16:15 but can tell you that I watched it and in my opinion, your answers came across calmly and specifically answering everything that the extreme right wing, big end of town and Coalition supporter Spiers put to you on behalf of Qantas. Well done.
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The live stuff is great for us because they can't cut and shape what you say. If we can get posted at all it would be good for members to see. TIMA9X PM me if you can't source at all.
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Looking down and to the right...
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Eyes body language
Maybe OW doesn't buy everything she's being fed? 
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This is a creative signal but not a fabrication - it can signal that the person is self-questioning their feelings about something. Context particularly- and other signals - are important for interpreting more specific meaning about this signal.
Looking down and to the right can indicate that they are attending to internal emotions.
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SP they can't twist this, it's on the record, well done mate.
and I noted OW says "it will have an impact on innocent "bystandards" whatever that means.
She's a news editors delight....
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Guys and girls, sorry to be a bit slow with the uploads, there has been so many today re Qantas I can't keep up with them all.
This is one of the many Sky News stories featuring the "pop star" AJ himself. Take it from me, he and his mates are not going over too well this week with the media I sense they are tired of him and OW's bully tones, always in the negative.
I'm sure your Fedsec has told you, but you know that QF management wants an all out confrontation, which you aren't giving them.
Be very careful during this Three week break because my guess is that Qantas will try and provoke you by making an example of a few members. The obvious way to do it would be for them to stand down One or Two Engineers for "going slow".
Be very careful during this Three week break because my guess is that Qantas will try and provoke you by making an example of a few members. The obvious way to do it would be for them to stand down One or Two Engineers for "going slow".
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I appreciate all of your input Sunfish, on this thread and others, but I have to pick you up on the "go slow" notion. I have never "gone slow" or been directed to "go slow" by any ALAEA rep. What I have done is followed Qantas' work procedures "to the letter"!
Now most engineers know that following Qantas' procedures is an inefficient way of working. However, Qantas choose to employ managers that put down, in writing, "go slow" procedures and then stand around trying to catch you out not following them.
The system is designed to fail!
Now most engineers know that following Qantas' procedures is an inefficient way of working. However, Qantas choose to employ managers that put down, in writing, "go slow" procedures and then stand around trying to catch you out not following them.
The system is designed to fail!
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Ben Sandilands - You can't win the job security clauses
Most of us, me included, thinks that Ben Sandilands brings much needed truth and common sense to the current dispute. So if most of us agree with him, do we also go along with his thoughts that we can't win the job security clauses the 2 main unions are seeking?
Basically his argument is that if a company's owners and management decide that they want to destroy their company, it's their right to do so.
What exactly are the Engineers' job security claims, and is there a middle ground that can be reached? If there isn't a middle ground, then the only conclusion I can see if the company won't concede something, and they don't look like they will, is arbitration. This will just give you the pay rises, and nothing else. And all this pain seems pointless.
I'm not suggesting to bend over and take it. Far from it. You guys are 100% right in your fight. But as Ben says, if the company is stupid enough to want to blow everything on a "luxury single aisle Asia based airline", and a low cost airline everyone hates, then what can you do? It's their train set.
Don't get me wrong, while not an engineer, my future and retirement is tied to this once great company too, and with the current management I am not too positive about that future.
Any thoughts, in particular from the FedSec?
Basically his argument is that if a company's owners and management decide that they want to destroy their company, it's their right to do so.
What exactly are the Engineers' job security claims, and is there a middle ground that can be reached? If there isn't a middle ground, then the only conclusion I can see if the company won't concede something, and they don't look like they will, is arbitration. This will just give you the pay rises, and nothing else. And all this pain seems pointless.
I'm not suggesting to bend over and take it. Far from it. You guys are 100% right in your fight. But as Ben says, if the company is stupid enough to want to blow everything on a "luxury single aisle Asia based airline", and a low cost airline everyone hates, then what can you do? It's their train set.
Don't get me wrong, while not an engineer, my future and retirement is tied to this once great company too, and with the current management I am not too positive about that future.
Any thoughts, in particular from the FedSec?
I don't want to suggest that you ease up either, as I don't know the whole story or strategy, however, from experience in another Industry, in a similar situation .... the troops fought like terriers to oppose an illogical new management direction.
After much time banging their heads against many brick walls and not receiving any outside support, they came to the conclusion that management were legally entitled to do what they wanted with the company, and the best way forward was to ensure the troops received the best possible outcome from the new arrangements.
By then, management were keen to have all the white noise removed ... and generous entitlements were negotiated.
You can only go so far in saving Management, and the Company, from themselves. There comes a point, and I don't know if that point has been reached in this situation yet, when you need to ask yourself ... how can we make the most out of this bad situation.
After much time banging their heads against many brick walls and not receiving any outside support, they came to the conclusion that management were legally entitled to do what they wanted with the company, and the best way forward was to ensure the troops received the best possible outcome from the new arrangements.
By then, management were keen to have all the white noise removed ... and generous entitlements were negotiated.
You can only go so far in saving Management, and the Company, from themselves. There comes a point, and I don't know if that point has been reached in this situation yet, when you need to ask yourself ... how can we make the most out of this bad situation.
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Well done Steve and the ALAEA,
Just watched the interview on ABC 24 news. I hope that a lot of the Australian public have the opportunity to watch this one.
I hope that some agreement can be reached soon before the next world event/erupting volcanoe/ flood/ tsunami/high oil price/ etc, becomes the next excuse for the big Q to cry poor!! (whilst they line their pockets)
Keep up the good work,
Boeingmachine
Just watched the interview on ABC 24 news. I hope that a lot of the Australian public have the opportunity to watch this one.
I hope that some agreement can be reached soon before the next world event/erupting volcanoe/ flood/ tsunami/high oil price/ etc, becomes the next excuse for the big Q to cry poor!! (whilst they line their pockets)
Keep up the good work,
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I am somewhat confused as why the government wants to step in to a dispute that is sanctioned by FWA and take the switch to the aircraft engineers in the guise of national interest, when a few months ago Nurses in NSW went "out" but no mention of intervention also now the NSW fire brigade is in dispute, no mention of government action. 
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I am somewhat confused as why the government wants to step in to a dispute that is sanctioned by FWA and take the switch to the aircraft engineers in the guise of national interest, when a few months ago Nurses in NSW went "out" but no mention of intervention also now the NSW fire brigade is in dispute, no mention of government action.
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I am somewhat confused as why the government wants to step in to a dispute that is sanctioned by FWA and take the switch to the aircraft engineers in the guise of national interest, when a few months ago Nurses in NSW went "out" but no mention of intervention also now the NSW fire brigade is in dispute, no mention of government action.
Also the politics of disgruntled travelers are disgruntled voters. Seen the polls lately.....
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Gillard has hosed "govt. intervention" down. Also the nurses and firefighters disputes are not being played out on the front page of the paper every second day, so the "public" - or media - don't have the same expectation on govt.
Also the politics of disgruntled travelers are disgruntled voters. Seen the polls lately.....
Also the politics of disgruntled travelers are disgruntled voters. Seen the polls lately.....