Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Dear Sue,
Please be advised that ALAEA LAME members working for Qantas who will be covered by the proposed LAME Enterprise Agreement currently under negotiation will be taking Protected Industrial Action as follows –
Notification number
27
Date of commencement of action
Friday 14th October 2011.
Time of action
1600-2000
Participants
All LAME members who will be covered by the proposed Agreement who are rostered to work in Sydney.
Nature of action
A stop work meeting.
Please note that the ALAEA encourages members who are not rostered to work this period to accept any offer to cover the stoppage on overtime to ensure that Qantas passengers and services are not disrupted. Please contact the ALAEA office for any assistance you may require to facilitate this provision.
Please be advised that ALAEA LAME members working for Qantas who will be covered by the proposed LAME Enterprise Agreement currently under negotiation will be taking Protected Industrial Action as follows –
Notification number
27
Date of commencement of action
Friday 14th October 2011.
Time of action
1600-2000
Participants
All LAME members who will be covered by the proposed Agreement who are rostered to work in Sydney.
Nature of action
A stop work meeting.
Please note that the ALAEA encourages members who are not rostered to work this period to accept any offer to cover the stoppage on overtime to ensure that Qantas passengers and services are not disrupted. Please contact the ALAEA office for any assistance you may require to facilitate this provision.
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I know there are others out there who don’t agree with the current union strategy. What we are seeing is a classic case of “group think”. I will give you the classic symptoms (Google it for yourself – it is quite interesting):
1. Illusion of invulnerability – we believe we are invincible
2. Tendency to moralise – oppositions to the unions position is viewed as weak, evil or unintelligent
3. Feeling of unanimity – all members share the leaders vision. Rather than appearing weak, members keep opposing views to themselves. This is due to the pressure of group solidarity and can distort the judgement of individual members.
4. Pressure to conform – formal and informal attempts are made to prevent divergent views
5. Opposing ideas dismissed – group members show favouritism to their own ideas
This phenomena isn’t just our issue, the same clowns who caused the GFC were also victim to this as they collectively didn’t want to see that something was wrong. We need to change course before New Piper’s predictions come true.
1. Illusion of invulnerability – we believe we are invincible
2. Tendency to moralise – oppositions to the unions position is viewed as weak, evil or unintelligent
3. Feeling of unanimity – all members share the leaders vision. Rather than appearing weak, members keep opposing views to themselves. This is due to the pressure of group solidarity and can distort the judgement of individual members.
4. Pressure to conform – formal and informal attempts are made to prevent divergent views
5. Opposing ideas dismissed – group members show favouritism to their own ideas
This phenomena isn’t just our issue, the same clowns who caused the GFC were also victim to this as they collectively didn’t want to see that something was wrong. We need to change course before New Piper’s predictions come true.
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28 mil for MR Dixon in 2008,wasn't that the year Qantas posted a 45 mil profit,so one man out of 35,000 took 25% of the entire Qantas group profits,and this management have a problem with the unions.bugger me.
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Exec pay is a just a little inconsistent isn't it. Here is a supporting article from SMH yesterday:
Theory of capitalism doesn't apply to executive pay, neither does the law of gravity
Theory of capitalism doesn't apply to executive pay, neither does the law of gravity
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BP2197,
Your point No 4 is exactly the reason why AIPA has asked its Pilot members to wear red ties. Its a classic 'silent' way of gathering and measuring support (sometimes fake) and increasing pressure on those members who may be toying with the idea of not participating or even worse, resigning from the union. It definitely sorts the men from the boys. In this case, the men are the ones who have an apposing view to that of the union and actually have the guts to express it.
NP
Your point No 4 is exactly the reason why AIPA has asked its Pilot members to wear red ties. Its a classic 'silent' way of gathering and measuring support (sometimes fake) and increasing pressure on those members who may be toying with the idea of not participating or even worse, resigning from the union. It definitely sorts the men from the boys. In this case, the men are the ones who have an apposing view to that of the union and actually have the guts to express it.
NP
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Media comment
Wider agenda in union stand-off with Qantas
October 11, 2011
Read more: Wider agenda in union stand-off with Qantas
October 11, 2011
Read more: Wider agenda in union stand-off with Qantas
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The name angryrat says it all really!
but I'm sorry if that is the way you interpret my posts. My intention is to make observations and statements rather than expressing my personal opinion.
Anyhow, I'm going to back to the sidelines now to sit and watch it all unfold.
NP
but I'm sorry if that is the way you interpret my posts. My intention is to make observations and statements rather than expressing my personal opinion.
Anyhow, I'm going to back to the sidelines now to sit and watch it all unfold.
NP
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2UE Interview
Steve,
Congratulations on a great interview this morning with David Oldfield on 2UE this morning. It was great that he gave you some leeway to get your points across, which you did well.
Thanks to David Oldfield for being tough, but fair as well. Hopefully the message is starting to get out to the general public.
Now, If you can only get some of the Murdoch press to be a bit more balanced. That column by Andrew Bolt this morning wasn't. I don't think they even bother to research anything, or even pick up the phone to hear the other side.
Congratulations on a great interview this morning with David Oldfield on 2UE this morning. It was great that he gave you some leeway to get your points across, which you did well.
Thanks to David Oldfield for being tough, but fair as well. Hopefully the message is starting to get out to the general public.
Now, If you can only get some of the Murdoch press to be a bit more balanced. That column by Andrew Bolt this morning wasn't. I don't think they even bother to research anything, or even pick up the phone to hear the other side.
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You know what. Qantas are winning this media game. Not through reason, just through volume. They buy their media opportunities and no union can match that. We all know they are lying through their teeth and it turns the small number of fence sitting Qantas employees against them every time they spread rubbish.
Other union leaders and I only have limited opportunities for air time. I can guarantee though that a listener to any live media I do will only have to hear me speak once and they will at least realise that there are two sides to the story. In many of those cases the listener will be understanding of our plight. From that point in time, every lie that Qantas spread will work against them.
The river bank is a comfortable place to be.
Other union leaders and I only have limited opportunities for air time. I can guarantee though that a listener to any live media I do will only have to hear me speak once and they will at least realise that there are two sides to the story. In many of those cases the listener will be understanding of our plight. From that point in time, every lie that Qantas spread will work against them.
The river bank is a comfortable place to be.
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Poor old Olivia Wirth. She is stunned and outraged at the Fed Secs latest comments.
Lets hope all the Qantas execs are.
Fantastic, That had the desired affect then.
It would be good to see the Qantas Execs requesting their million dollar pay rises at the annual meeting with full day strikes happening. Will the fund managers still feed the pigs.
Lets hope all the Qantas execs are.
Fantastic, That had the desired affect then.
It would be good to see the Qantas Execs requesting their million dollar pay rises at the annual meeting with full day strikes happening. Will the fund managers still feed the pigs.
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Unions telling the general public to fly other airlines!
Their claims can be right, wrong, fair or unfair but steering people away from their own income source isn't real bright.
And it can't help...
Their claims can be right, wrong, fair or unfair but steering people away from their own income source isn't real bright.
And it can't help...
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Qantas:~Apology Airlines Again
Qantas launches anti-strike ad blitz
11 Oct 2011
By David Blight
Qantas has said it may continue to run its advertising campaign against union strikes if further disruptions occur, with full page print ads rolling out from yesterday.
The airline has launched a print campaign apologising for flight delays or cancellations, and has said it could run the campaign for as long as the unions continue to cause disturbances.
The print campaign, which launched yesterday and was created by Lawrence Creative Strategy, tells Qantas customers “We’re sorry”. It goes on to blame union action against the airline for delays and cancellations.
The ad reads: “We are doing all we can to minimise the impact of this action, but we know it has inconvenienced our customers and we sincerely apologise … We can’t give in to union demands that risk the future of Qantas … We urge these three unions to come to an agreement with Qantas that is fair and equitable.”
The campaign has already featured two separate executions, one which ran yesterday, and one which is running today. It is unclear if Qantas has any other executions planned.
The campaign runs across all major Australian newspaper titles, including The Australian, The Australian Financial Review, The Sydney Morning Herlad, The Age, The Daily Telegraph and others.
A spokeswoman for Qantas told AdNews that the campaign will run through the beginning of the week. However, she went on to say that the campaign may continue to run if the unions continue to cause disruptions.
Qantas has been caught up in a range of PR problems over the last year – including the grounding of some of its fleet, mass lay-offs and unions strikes. The airline recently called a global review of its creative and media agency arrangements for the first time in ten years, putting roster agencies M&C Saatchi, Ogilvy, Mojo, Wonder and ZenithOptimedia on alert.
~This is nothing more than a"boo hoo poor me" piece that is trying to garner sympathy(my bold)
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I've stood back and seen what happens when employees don't stand up for their jobs. The same people destroyed Ansett, closed down Sydney Heavy Maintenance, Roller Engine shops and component maintenance. There are countless examples.
When all is said and done it will be Qantas employees left to pick up the pieces. Passengers will return to support the very people who saved the airline. You need to see the big picture here. If they had their way with the APA fiasco Dixon would be $60 million richer and we would all be out of work.
When all is said and done it will be Qantas employees left to pick up the pieces. Passengers will return to support the very people who saved the airline. You need to see the big picture here. If they had their way with the APA fiasco Dixon would be $60 million richer and we would all be out of work.
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Might be time for a Union sponsored retort in the same papers?
Perhaps outlining:
Perhaps outlining:
- Executive managements disgsuting pay scales which are pulling tens of millions of unjustifiable funds out of the business
- A breakdown in percentage points of how much QF's value has dropped since 'mini me' took over the helm (a nice share comaprison)
- Outline every piece of evey dirty financial act of mischief QF have been pinged for (e.g freight fixing naughtiness)
- A nice graph showing all the incidents, roller failures and other assorted goodies since their campaign of outsourcing stepped up
- How about including a nice 'spider graph' showing the links between executives, management, family and friends to display the true worth of their 'moral compass' ??
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new piper
So let me understand what your logic is. When over 90% of pilots voted for PIA in a confidential and individual vote, they may have not actually wanted to partake in industrial action. Your comments are somewhat perplexing but definately delusional.
Company management stooge here me thinks.
Your point No 4 is exactly the reason why AIPA has asked its Pilot members to wear red ties. Its a classic 'silent' way of gathering and measuring support (sometimes fake) and increasing pressure on those members who may be toying with the idea of not participating or even worse, resigning from the union. It definitelysorts the men from the boys. In this case, the men are the ones who have an apposing view to thatof theunion and actually have the guts to express it.
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Company management stooge here me thinks.
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Anulus,
That 90% number sounds great on face value, but don't discount the possibility that it could also mean 90% of the Pilots are wrong and may ultimately be proven to be the stooges here to use use your term.
Time will tell. The shareholders would be quite entitled to demand a quick closure to all LH ops and maybe mirror an Alitalia type re-birth.
NP
That 90% number sounds great on face value, but don't discount the possibility that it could also mean 90% of the Pilots are wrong and may ultimately be proven to be the stooges here to use use your term.
Time will tell. The shareholders would be quite entitled to demand a quick closure to all LH ops and maybe mirror an Alitalia type re-birth.
NP
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Forget it. The papers would never want to bite the hand of that which feeds it. Let's face it, the longer this dispute goes on, the more money the media/papers make. That's why this whole event is sensationalized. It's paying for a lot of bills and will continue to do so for a long time to come. QF execs are only too obliging to piss as much money away as they can. Who said the media can't pull a good profit outside of an election year?
I guess it all ads up now as to why Qantas hardly advertised for quite some time before this dispute.
Might be time for a Union sponsored retort in the same papers?
I guess it all ads up now as to why Qantas hardly advertised for quite some time before this dispute.
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You clowns should stick to holding union sausage sizzles, waving your pathetic union banners and slapping each other on the back and laughing every time someone writes something negative about qantas. That's about all you seem capable of doing correctly.
Here's a new idea - Get back to work you bludgers!
Here's a new idea - Get back to work you bludgers!
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quagmire
Unions telling the general public to fly other airlines!
Their claims can be right, wrong, fair or unfair but steering people away from their own income source isn't real bright.
And it can't help
Unions telling the general public to fly other airlines!
Their claims can be right, wrong, fair or unfair but steering people away from their own income source isn't real bright.
And it can't help
Quagmire, the only way we will have any affect is to first affect the profits.
If profits are affected, their jobs and bonuses may get affected.
That is all they are interested in.
If profits are still coming in, they wouldn’t care if a close family member died.
If they were serious about no upsetting passengers, they should advise them to use another airline for a while also. I would much prefer to be pre warned, fly virgin and get there than book a ticket on QF, get my flight cancelled and then see the CEO get a 70% pay rise.