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AJ. You crumb. I've only got 25 yrs up but I have found that new aircraft leak hydraulic fluild just aswell as the older aircraft. Toilet trucks and baggage trollies run into new aicraft, and rest assured, birds can't tell the diffrence between new and old.
As for Olivia. Beside the fact my 3/8, 1/4 inch drive socket has more style, you do wanna redo your contract on a adhoc deal. Me think's your gonna be kept very very busy infront of the TV lens.
As for Olivia. Beside the fact my 3/8, 1/4 inch drive socket has more style, you do wanna redo your contract on a adhoc deal. Me think's your gonna be kept very very busy infront of the TV lens.
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JOYCE'S "NO SAFETY CONCERNS" MANTRA...
Joyce also said that in addition to CAAV's investigation, Qantas supported a number of routine and independent audits to assess Pacific's maintenance performance. "The first of these was undertaken prior to the airline taking on the Jetstar brand and the most recent was finalized in October last year," he revealed. "This audit concluded there were no safety concerns with Jetstar Pacific's operations and that the airline met regulatory requirements."
Qantas stands behind troubled Jetstar Pacific :: Routesonline
NOT COMMITTED TO SAFETY
Top managers at Vietnamese budget airline Jetstar Pacific, part-owned by Australia's Qantas, violated maintenance regulations, official media reports.
The Civil Aviation Administration of Vietnam (CAAV) ruled the three officials made mistakes in monitoring maintenance work and had not fulfilled the company's commitment to safety, Vietnam News Agency said late on Tuesday.
Jetstar Pacific 'violated regulations'
Joyce also said that in addition to CAAV's investigation, Qantas supported a number of routine and independent audits to assess Pacific's maintenance performance. "The first of these was undertaken prior to the airline taking on the Jetstar brand and the most recent was finalized in October last year," he revealed. "This audit concluded there were no safety concerns with Jetstar Pacific's operations and that the airline met regulatory requirements."
Qantas stands behind troubled Jetstar Pacific :: Routesonline
NOT COMMITTED TO SAFETY
Top managers at Vietnamese budget airline Jetstar Pacific, part-owned by Australia's Qantas, violated maintenance regulations, official media reports.
The Civil Aviation Administration of Vietnam (CAAV) ruled the three officials made mistakes in monitoring maintenance work and had not fulfilled the company's commitment to safety, Vietnam News Agency said late on Tuesday.
Jetstar Pacific 'violated regulations'
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Cant wait to hear the board say SORRY to the investors when their plan comes out in public.These people think nothing of the businesses they run but only their pockets.
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What did you all expect? He is just boring the public with a war of words trying to scare and threaten us into defeat. An excuse for a speech that was basically built around industrial issues that he is failing to deal or cope with.
When PIA gets into full swing, and schedules start to get all out of whack, and hotel bills mount up, and the costs blows out to several hundred million dollars, and management start taking the heat from the public then they will finally realise that they should have negotiated in good faith from the start. (until of course the next EBA begins).
By the way, everytime a "new-gen" aircraft comes out we hear the same old crap about them fixing themselves. But you management guys wouldn't know that, would you??? The last clowns to tell us that are all gooooone.
When PIA gets into full swing, and schedules start to get all out of whack, and hotel bills mount up, and the costs blows out to several hundred million dollars, and management start taking the heat from the public then they will finally realise that they should have negotiated in good faith from the start. (until of course the next EBA begins).
By the way, everytime a "new-gen" aircraft comes out we hear the same old crap about them fixing themselves. But you management guys wouldn't know that, would you??? The last clowns to tell us that are all gooooone.
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Hmm, after reading AJ's dribble....
He talks about Flight Engineers and Check - in ground staff having had to accept change..... where are they now?? GONE
Engine line - ( Accept change via special little Amazing People workshops) - GONE
He speaks about all the advantages of Marlin, without mentioning the huge amount of time required for data processing. Whilst it may improve record keeping, it would make no friends when trying to dispatch a flight 3 minutes from curfew and trying to close a work package....
If AJ is so in awe of our specialist skills, and wants to spend a shyte load of money on Engineering, then what's the problem giving us a job security clause??
Me thinkem White man speak with fork tongue.......
He talks about Flight Engineers and Check - in ground staff having had to accept change..... where are they now?? GONE
Engine line - ( Accept change via special little Amazing People workshops) - GONE
He speaks about all the advantages of Marlin, without mentioning the huge amount of time required for data processing. Whilst it may improve record keeping, it would make no friends when trying to dispatch a flight 3 minutes from curfew and trying to close a work package....
If AJ is so in awe of our specialist skills, and wants to spend a shyte load of money on Engineering, then what's the problem giving us a job security clause??
Me thinkem White man speak with fork tongue.......
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Spot on Legacy,but of course what would a LAME know(according to management that is)
Here is another 1 for the list-3 different seat cover colours in 380 economy-maybe the plan is to charge the punter a different fare depending on what colour seat he wishes to park himself on!!
Must be so cost efficient having to have a supplier provide seat covers in 3 colours,not to mention the stores cost of having triple handling.
As for the 777,of course its the wrong aircraft-just ask all the carriers that have them lined up at australian airports every day & night-i am sure they are regretting ever buying them and whats more buying them in the right config was a mistake too they will tell u.
Here is another 1 for the list-3 different seat cover colours in 380 economy-maybe the plan is to charge the punter a different fare depending on what colour seat he wishes to park himself on!!
Must be so cost efficient having to have a supplier provide seat covers in 3 colours,not to mention the stores cost of having triple handling.
As for the 777,of course its the wrong aircraft-just ask all the carriers that have them lined up at australian airports every day & night-i am sure they are regretting ever buying them and whats more buying them in the right config was a mistake too they will tell u.
QANTAS has flagged plans to cut maintenance costs by axing its long-standing policy of having a licensed engineer check every passenger jet before take-off.
And the airline intends to hire lesser-qualified "A-licence'' workers to replace licensed engineers for some hangar work as it moves to cut overheads and bolster its survival prospects.
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce warned yesterday the flag carrier had no choice but to overhaul its maintenance program if it was to live on and grow in the cut-throat market.
The airline was lumbered with maintenance and repair systems that were "among the least efficient and most expensive in the world'', Mr Joyce said, speaking at an industry conference in Sydney.
He said new-generation Boeing and Airbus aircraft, which made up 50 per cent of the domestic Qantas fleet, did not require the same degree of ``intensive, repetitive maintenance''.
"This therefore makes redundant the current practice that a highly specialised licensed engineer should receive and dispatch each aircraft,'' Mr Joyce said.
Pilots would still carefully check all aircraft before and after every flight, he said, and licensed engineers would continue to inspect older aircraft.
Mr Joyce said it was essential Qantas became more competitive with rival airlines, which enjoyed costs up to 25 per cent lower.
Work practices and job protection go to the core of the airline's industrial dispute with licensed engineers, who have staged one-minute strikes and, in some cases, handled tools using only their left hands.
Mr Joyce said the proposed changes were in line with new standards approved by the Civil Aviation and Safety Authority, which reflected European standards and global best-practice.
The standards clear the way for the use of workers with an A-licence, who are qualified to work on aircraft but do not require the same level of training and specialisation as licensed engineers.
"This means we can retain our licensed engineers in their specialised roles and provide new opportunities for other maintenance staff,'' Mr Joyce said.
He said some union leaders were "simply out of touch''.
"We don't repair our cars the same way we did 40 years ago - we can't repair our planes the same way either,'' Mr Joyce said.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association condemned the maintenance proposals.
Secretary Steve Purvinas said the push would see engineers with decades of experience made redundant and replaced with workers with as little as three months' training.
He said the association had agreed with Virgin Australia's move to use A-licence holders, but only for 10 per cent of maintenance staff and for those who would attain full engineering licences within two years.
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AJ, Call me stupid. But if you sit on a course for 8-12 weeks learning the specific a/c inside & out, wouldn`t that be considered adapting to new generation a/c.
Or going to Brisvegas & doing the electrical basics?
Or going to Brisvegas & doing the electrical basics?
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I have bolded my responses to this ridiculous piece of puff work sanctioned by Alan. If you took his statement, laminated it and attached some long dark scraggy hair you truly would have a Wirthless object -
QANTAS has flagged plans to cut maintenance costs by axing its long-standing policy of having a licensed engineer check every passenger jet before take-off.
Excellent news. So just like Jetstar they will use a Ground Handler who has just finished working as a builders labourer, only has 6 months experience in aviation, and he will do the pre departure walk around before pushing back the aircraft with a Power Push Unit ? Yep, worlds best practise and certainly the safest method possible? Little man you have become lost in a world of KPI’s, shareholder statements, profit forecasts and cash flows. Alan, why don’t you or your senior team front as many safety forums as you do shareholder forums and business forums? But of course safety is your number one priority isn’t it? Dry that one out and you could fertilize Mascots gardens for a millennium.
Have safety risk assessments been done on this ‘change management process’, and are they available to be seen by CASA, the public, the shareholder and perhaps members of the senate inquiry? I am sure the Senators would appreciate the opportunity to review your robust safety analysis word by word.
And the airline intends to hire lesser-qualified "A-licence'' workers to replace licensed engineers for some hangar work as it moves to cut overheads and bolster its survival prospects.
Bolster its survival prospects by removing experience and skill from the workplace? Idiots. Why not apply the same philosophy to top tier management then? Hire some uni grads with no experience at all to run the place. Same principle isn’t it?
Once again I ask have safety risk assessments been done on this ‘change management process’, and are they available to be seen by CASA, the public, the shareholder and perhaps members of the senate inquiry? This should not be too hard to produce, after all, safety is your number one priority, correct?
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce warned yesterday the flag carrier had no choice but to overhaul its maintenance program if it was to live on and grow in the cut-throat market.
The only throats being cut are the throats of experiences QF staff. The throat of the business has been slashed wide open by poor management decisions, poor business modelling, corrupt business practises resulting in fines and jail sentences, to name just a few items. So management can stop bleating about maintenance costs being the primary cause of their ‘alleged’ woes. The primary concern should be management’s inability to actually run a complex aviation business such as QF, simple.
This old chestnut has become boring Alan. Once again I ask have safety risk assessments been done on this ‘change management process’, and are they available to be seen by CASA, the public, the shareholder and perhaps members of the senate inquiry?
The airline was lumbered with maintenance and repair systems that were "among the least efficient and most expensive in the world'', Mr Joyce said, speaking at an industry conference in Sydney.
Based upon what research, what figures, what evidence? Have other airlines been sharing commercially sensitive facts and figures with QF for some reason and comparing data?
He said new-generation Boeing and Airbus aircraft, which made up 50 per cent of the domestic Qantas fleet, did not require the same degree of ``intensive, repetitive maintenance''.
Is that so? Although the Dugong doesn’t operate domestically VH-OQA is a prime example of a ‘new’ aircraft type and what can go wrong. Do you really believe that in the interest of safety that it would be of safety benefit to have no available skilled engineers employed to undertake the incredibly complex process of repairing and returning this ship to service?
"This therefore makes redundant the current practice that a highly specialised licensed engineer should receive and dispatch each aircraft,'' Mr Joyce said.
Another misguided theory little fella based upon excel spread sheet analysis.
Pilots would still carefully check all aircraft before and after every flight, he said, and licensed engineers would continue to inspect older aircraft.
What is your method of determining what constitutes an older aircraft? 1, 10, 20 years old? Based on what exactly? Based upon risk assessments, manufacturer specifications? Or based upon an empty theory plucked out of the air designed to impress the analysts and appease the public? Provide some evidence to back up this statement, little man. Once more and most importantly have safety risk assessments been done on this ‘change management process’, and are they available to be seen by CASA, the public, the shareholder and perhaps members of the senate inquiry?
Mr Joyce said it was essential Qantas became more competitive with rival airlines, which enjoyed costs up to 25 per cent lower.
So the same shoe fits all does it? After all these years you are saying that Qantas so called method of operation, up to 25% higher than its competitors is something that the shareholder should not be concerned about? Sounds like years and years of poor management is behind such a huge disparity? Would not management be accountable, at all levels, for such a poor performance? What, no overhaul of the top tier of management, yet an overhaul is required for other departments?
I don’t think the travelling public would agree that Engineering requires cutbacks. After all, due to such previous poor decisions Qantas lost it’s absolutely impeccable safety standing within Australia and the wider aviation community, to the point that it has become a laughing matter at home and abroad.
Can Alan prove that other carriers operating costs (allegedly 25% lower) is solely based on their having outsourced maintenance or their hiring of cheaper pilot labor? I would love to review the documentation and evidence please.
Work practices and job protection go to the core of the airline's industrial dispute with licensed engineers, who have staged one-minute strikes and, in some cases, handled tools using only their left hands.
Any actual laws broken little fella?
Anyway, management, many of who are ‘tools’ themselves, have handle the business with both hands stuck inside the ‘bonus tin’ for a long time.
Mr Joyce said the proposed changes were in line with new standards approved by the Civil Aviation and Safety Authority, which reflected European standards and global best-practice.
Interesting. Can we please take a look at the assessments that Qantas has made against those exact European and CASA and global best-practice standards that you mention? We would love to examine in depth the obvious analysis that QF has undertaken to come to this conclusion. Agasin
I ask have safety risk assessments been done on this ‘change management process’, and are they available to be seen by CASA, the public, the shareholder and perhaps members of the senate inquiry?
The standards clear the way for the use of workers with an A-licence, who are qualified to work on aircraft but do not require the same level of training and specialisation as licensed engineers.
"This means we can retain our licensed engineers in their specialised roles and provide new opportunities for other maintenance staff,'' Mr Joyce said.
This is a smoke, mirrors and fertiliser statement.
He said some union leaders were "simply out of touch''.
Wow. So you are saying that Union Leaders who actually ENGAGE with the workforce, and have worked in roles that have provided them with actual and factual knowledge and understanding of all aspects of the business, are out of touch??? I would rather assert that accountant type management whose only concern is their next bonus payment and whose main role is sitting in an air-conditioned office with leather high back chairs sipping on Pernod-Ricard Perrier-Joet and nibbling at Italian white Alba truffles would have better insight? Hmmm
"We don't repair our cars the same way we did 40 years ago - we can't repair our planes the same way either,'' Mr Joyce said.
Well there you have it, the motherhood of all statements, the ‘piece de resistance’! This guy compares cars and car technology to the highly specialised, intricate and complex machinery called an aircraft? I guess it is good news for the apprentices at Holden, easy transition from fixing a Barina to maintaining A380 avionics as an example.
Folks, your lives are in the hands of this type of inept management. If you weren’t frightened before, you should be now.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association condemned the maintenance proposals.
Secretary Steve Purvinas said the push would see engineers with decades of experience made redundant and replaced with workers with as little as three months' training.
He said the association had agreed with Virgin Australia's move to use A-licence holders, but only for 10 per cent of maintenance staff and for those who would attain full engineering licences within two years.
QANTAS has flagged plans to cut maintenance costs by axing its long-standing policy of having a licensed engineer check every passenger jet before take-off.
Excellent news. So just like Jetstar they will use a Ground Handler who has just finished working as a builders labourer, only has 6 months experience in aviation, and he will do the pre departure walk around before pushing back the aircraft with a Power Push Unit ? Yep, worlds best practise and certainly the safest method possible? Little man you have become lost in a world of KPI’s, shareholder statements, profit forecasts and cash flows. Alan, why don’t you or your senior team front as many safety forums as you do shareholder forums and business forums? But of course safety is your number one priority isn’t it? Dry that one out and you could fertilize Mascots gardens for a millennium.
Have safety risk assessments been done on this ‘change management process’, and are they available to be seen by CASA, the public, the shareholder and perhaps members of the senate inquiry? I am sure the Senators would appreciate the opportunity to review your robust safety analysis word by word.
And the airline intends to hire lesser-qualified "A-licence'' workers to replace licensed engineers for some hangar work as it moves to cut overheads and bolster its survival prospects.
Bolster its survival prospects by removing experience and skill from the workplace? Idiots. Why not apply the same philosophy to top tier management then? Hire some uni grads with no experience at all to run the place. Same principle isn’t it?
Once again I ask have safety risk assessments been done on this ‘change management process’, and are they available to be seen by CASA, the public, the shareholder and perhaps members of the senate inquiry? This should not be too hard to produce, after all, safety is your number one priority, correct?
Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce warned yesterday the flag carrier had no choice but to overhaul its maintenance program if it was to live on and grow in the cut-throat market.
The only throats being cut are the throats of experiences QF staff. The throat of the business has been slashed wide open by poor management decisions, poor business modelling, corrupt business practises resulting in fines and jail sentences, to name just a few items. So management can stop bleating about maintenance costs being the primary cause of their ‘alleged’ woes. The primary concern should be management’s inability to actually run a complex aviation business such as QF, simple.
This old chestnut has become boring Alan. Once again I ask have safety risk assessments been done on this ‘change management process’, and are they available to be seen by CASA, the public, the shareholder and perhaps members of the senate inquiry?
The airline was lumbered with maintenance and repair systems that were "among the least efficient and most expensive in the world'', Mr Joyce said, speaking at an industry conference in Sydney.
Based upon what research, what figures, what evidence? Have other airlines been sharing commercially sensitive facts and figures with QF for some reason and comparing data?
He said new-generation Boeing and Airbus aircraft, which made up 50 per cent of the domestic Qantas fleet, did not require the same degree of ``intensive, repetitive maintenance''.
Is that so? Although the Dugong doesn’t operate domestically VH-OQA is a prime example of a ‘new’ aircraft type and what can go wrong. Do you really believe that in the interest of safety that it would be of safety benefit to have no available skilled engineers employed to undertake the incredibly complex process of repairing and returning this ship to service?
"This therefore makes redundant the current practice that a highly specialised licensed engineer should receive and dispatch each aircraft,'' Mr Joyce said.
Another misguided theory little fella based upon excel spread sheet analysis.
Pilots would still carefully check all aircraft before and after every flight, he said, and licensed engineers would continue to inspect older aircraft.
What is your method of determining what constitutes an older aircraft? 1, 10, 20 years old? Based on what exactly? Based upon risk assessments, manufacturer specifications? Or based upon an empty theory plucked out of the air designed to impress the analysts and appease the public? Provide some evidence to back up this statement, little man. Once more and most importantly have safety risk assessments been done on this ‘change management process’, and are they available to be seen by CASA, the public, the shareholder and perhaps members of the senate inquiry?
Mr Joyce said it was essential Qantas became more competitive with rival airlines, which enjoyed costs up to 25 per cent lower.
So the same shoe fits all does it? After all these years you are saying that Qantas so called method of operation, up to 25% higher than its competitors is something that the shareholder should not be concerned about? Sounds like years and years of poor management is behind such a huge disparity? Would not management be accountable, at all levels, for such a poor performance? What, no overhaul of the top tier of management, yet an overhaul is required for other departments?
I don’t think the travelling public would agree that Engineering requires cutbacks. After all, due to such previous poor decisions Qantas lost it’s absolutely impeccable safety standing within Australia and the wider aviation community, to the point that it has become a laughing matter at home and abroad.
Can Alan prove that other carriers operating costs (allegedly 25% lower) is solely based on their having outsourced maintenance or their hiring of cheaper pilot labor? I would love to review the documentation and evidence please.
Work practices and job protection go to the core of the airline's industrial dispute with licensed engineers, who have staged one-minute strikes and, in some cases, handled tools using only their left hands.
Any actual laws broken little fella?
Anyway, management, many of who are ‘tools’ themselves, have handle the business with both hands stuck inside the ‘bonus tin’ for a long time.
Mr Joyce said the proposed changes were in line with new standards approved by the Civil Aviation and Safety Authority, which reflected European standards and global best-practice.
Interesting. Can we please take a look at the assessments that Qantas has made against those exact European and CASA and global best-practice standards that you mention? We would love to examine in depth the obvious analysis that QF has undertaken to come to this conclusion. Agasin
I ask have safety risk assessments been done on this ‘change management process’, and are they available to be seen by CASA, the public, the shareholder and perhaps members of the senate inquiry?
The standards clear the way for the use of workers with an A-licence, who are qualified to work on aircraft but do not require the same level of training and specialisation as licensed engineers.
"This means we can retain our licensed engineers in their specialised roles and provide new opportunities for other maintenance staff,'' Mr Joyce said.
This is a smoke, mirrors and fertiliser statement.
He said some union leaders were "simply out of touch''.
Wow. So you are saying that Union Leaders who actually ENGAGE with the workforce, and have worked in roles that have provided them with actual and factual knowledge and understanding of all aspects of the business, are out of touch??? I would rather assert that accountant type management whose only concern is their next bonus payment and whose main role is sitting in an air-conditioned office with leather high back chairs sipping on Pernod-Ricard Perrier-Joet and nibbling at Italian white Alba truffles would have better insight? Hmmm
"We don't repair our cars the same way we did 40 years ago - we can't repair our planes the same way either,'' Mr Joyce said.
Well there you have it, the motherhood of all statements, the ‘piece de resistance’! This guy compares cars and car technology to the highly specialised, intricate and complex machinery called an aircraft? I guess it is good news for the apprentices at Holden, easy transition from fixing a Barina to maintaining A380 avionics as an example.
Folks, your lives are in the hands of this type of inept management. If you weren’t frightened before, you should be now.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association condemned the maintenance proposals.
Secretary Steve Purvinas said the push would see engineers with decades of experience made redundant and replaced with workers with as little as three months' training.
He said the association had agreed with Virgin Australia's move to use A-licence holders, but only for 10 per cent of maintenance staff and for those who would attain full engineering licences within two years.
hcmcmcclown; just because the rest of the world do something a certain way does NOT mean that it is necessarily the best way. Blindly following what everyone else does because some boffin deems it "world's best practice" is short sighted and failure prone at best.
The way we do it here in Australia has served us well for many a long year. Change can be a good thing if done constructively, however, change for change's sake bears an ill wind.
The way we do it here in Australia has served us well for many a long year. Change can be a good thing if done constructively, however, change for change's sake bears an ill wind.
The Flight Service outcome:
- Big fight ... logic against "World's Best Practice"
- Bullied through
- No one has died ... the world has kept revolving ... but general Aviation Professionalism has certainly taken a beating
- Some very happy Redundantees
The (predicted) Qantas Outcome:
- Big fight ... logic against "World's Best practice"
- Bullied through
- No one has died(hopefully) ... the world has kept revolving ... but Engineering Professionalism has certainly taken a beating and engineering delays have increased (but Company happy to live with that)
- Some very happy Redundantees
Hope I'm wrong ...
Further to the responses of 'my oleo...'
Bendigo and Adelaide Bank managing director Mike Hirst has hit out at the investment managers that influence the allocation of billions of dollars in funds, suggesting the industry suffers from inexperience while a focus on short-term returns is leading to risky outcomes.
Mr Hirst has become the latest bank executive to caution that the days of banks generating returns in excess of 20 per cent were over, saying the sector should be viewed like a utility, given the critical role banks play in the economy.
But most focus was levelled at investment specialists that tend to look through efforts by some companies to build a longer term strategy.
''You sit in front of these 26- and 27-year-olds earning half a million dollars and they're asking you questions: 'This is what's going to happen in the next three months - what are you going to do about it and what number do I plug into my spreadsheet,'' Mr Hirst said.
''There's no attention to what's the strategy or how long it takes to play out [or] what does it mean in terms of value to the organisation,'' he said. ''It's a frustration - I just sit there, take it, and hear what they've got to say and walk out shaking my head.''
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Gutless
Yes Alan Joyce gutless.
You or any of your underlings have not had the guts to come out the workforce and directly portray to the workforce, the very people that stand to be affected by your announcement of your intended change to current maintenance practices.
Yes we have all heard it (rumor) by proxy in some way but instead you choose to announce it at some airy fairy conference trying to big note yourself in front of other attendees and the media, and jokers like Harbison.
Managements mantra about open dialogue and building trust amongst the troops is all a load of crapola when major work change is announced in a public forum with little or no regard for the staff it directly affects.
Worlds best practice or not Alan, you are slowly but surely falling on your sword.
You or any of your underlings have not had the guts to come out the workforce and directly portray to the workforce, the very people that stand to be affected by your announcement of your intended change to current maintenance practices.
Yes we have all heard it (rumor) by proxy in some way but instead you choose to announce it at some airy fairy conference trying to big note yourself in front of other attendees and the media, and jokers like Harbison.
Managements mantra about open dialogue and building trust amongst the troops is all a load of crapola when major work change is announced in a public forum with little or no regard for the staff it directly affects.
Worlds best practice or not Alan, you are slowly but surely falling on your sword.
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Pilot and Lame bbq 24th August
To FEDSEC and AIPA
Lets organise a good old fashioned BBQ in the park opposite the Sydney International Terminal for the 24th August.
Every Lame and Pilot rostered off could attend with families while we await the so called big annoucement.
Show the media the actual families this new restructure will affect.
Lets organise a good old fashioned BBQ in the park opposite the Sydney International Terminal for the 24th August.
Every Lame and Pilot rostered off could attend with families while we await the so called big annoucement.
Show the media the actual families this new restructure will affect.
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Totally agree Griff - maybe Australia wide, the more the better.
The thing I find most confusing is that these ass clowns believe everything the manufacturerers are sprooking about their new a/c dont need maintenance - and boeing can deliver the 787 on time.
When you buy a new car does anyone actually believe they will truly get the performance/fuel figures provided. Thats the difference between an engineer and an accountant.
The thing I find most confusing is that these ass clowns believe everything the manufacturerers are sprooking about their new a/c dont need maintenance - and boeing can deliver the 787 on time.
When you buy a new car does anyone actually believe they will truly get the performance/fuel figures provided. Thats the difference between an engineer and an accountant.
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As a long retired Qantas engineer I remember a story from when Qantas got their first Boeing 707-138. May be true, may be not. The then Chief Executive, Cedric ObanTurner [ accountant by profession] wanted to sack a lot of the engineers. His theory was 'that when I buy a new car it does not need major work until they had done 30,000 or 50.000 miles.' His logic was aircraft were the same and more engineers could be employed as the aircraft got older.
I have just finished reading "The Pursuit of Excellence – The story of Qantas Engineering and Maintenance 1971-2001" by Bruce Leonard.
During the 1980s and early 1990s there were several commendations and awards from all three engine manufacturers to Qantas for the reliability and record times in service of engines that had been through the Qantas workshops. Qantas was an industry leader, it is now just another airline and rapidly slipping below average. While the facilities and equipment can be replaced the experience of tradesmen cannot. A culture that has developed over many years is now lost.
It is sad to see a world leading industry being destroyed by shortsighted academics and beancounters.
During the 1980s and early 1990s there were several commendations and awards from all three engine manufacturers to Qantas for the reliability and record times in service of engines that had been through the Qantas workshops. Qantas was an industry leader, it is now just another airline and rapidly slipping below average. While the facilities and equipment can be replaced the experience of tradesmen cannot. A culture that has developed over many years is now lost.
It is sad to see a world leading industry being destroyed by shortsighted academics and beancounters.
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Unfortunately,we slit our own throats by not putting up a real fight against the part 66,why is it,we had to follow...again there is a greater force at work,it affects the bottom line...with the winds of change the great lames are gone,with a questioning future for the A types.....
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Sooooo......... now that Qantas has made public their poorly kept secret,I am guessing that their will be an attractive offer made at the negotiating table in an attempt to buy off the membership to allow smooth passage?