Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Well with IASA going t1ts up, it would be a good time to prove to the morons running the place that bringing things back inhouse helps with (a) job security,(b) morale and (c) quality.
I know I am going out on a limb here, but it needs to rammed into their inferior brains that the failure of their service provider is a good thing.
I know I am going out on a limb here, but it needs to rammed into their inferior brains that the failure of their service provider is a good thing.
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The IFE is going to be a real problem now iasa is gone
The new QF 738 full AVOD went to Panasonic with what seems to be no questions asked and they have been doing JX since the word go.
It would not surprise me which backyard outfit gets the work on the IFE from now.
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Partly for the reason RIM stated, we don't currently have the manpower
to match what iasa threw at the task.
We don't have the practical skills right now, due to having no involvement
in the 744 ife maintenance up till now.
Seems many of the 744 avionic lames have some limitation that they can't
certify for the maint anyhow. PLEASE CHECK YOUR EQ QUALS CAREFULLY.
It's going to take time to get comfortable with this dogs breakfast of a system,
till then, with the PIA, planets aligning, yes, it will be a major problem.
to match what iasa threw at the task.
We don't have the practical skills right now, due to having no involvement
in the 744 ife maintenance up till now.
Seems many of the 744 avionic lames have some limitation that they can't
certify for the maint anyhow. PLEASE CHECK YOUR EQ QUALS CAREFULLY.
It's going to take time to get comfortable with this dogs breakfast of a system,
till then, with the PIA, planets aligning, yes, it will be a major problem.
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This IASA saga is a great opportunity for QF Eng management to make a positive gesture by reclaiming ALL IFE work in house, opening up the training school and getting that refresher training out to LAMEs.
Time will tell, but I think it is only wishful thinking.
Time will tell, but I think it is only wishful thinking.
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As an interested bystander who in the long run will benefit from whatever happens to the big teams. What is happening with the QLink boy's.
I see from most post's here Q are extolling their virtues of having formal meetings but no outcome.
How sad when you think they don't get the outcome they want.
Which is we won't move so you (the union's) have to do all the moving - if they don't then they the union's are unreasonable.
So where is the negotiation or bargaining part ?
post a profit - cry poor
cover a big percentage of fuel rise with 4 surcharge increases - cry poor
increase services - cry poor
buy other operators, new aircraft - cry poor
give exec's pay rise - cry poor
maybe they need to look in the mirror and not to see if the expensive suit is on straight.
I see from most post's here Q are extolling their virtues of having formal meetings but no outcome.
How sad when you think they don't get the outcome they want.
Which is we won't move so you (the union's) have to do all the moving - if they don't then they the union's are unreasonable.
So where is the negotiation or bargaining part ?
post a profit - cry poor
cover a big percentage of fuel rise with 4 surcharge increases - cry poor
increase services - cry poor
buy other operators, new aircraft - cry poor
give exec's pay rise - cry poor
maybe they need to look in the mirror and not to see if the expensive suit is on straight.
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Enterprise Agreement
Lets have a look at these 2 words, then use a thesaurus for the meanings:
Enterprise - difficult or important project.
Difficult for them
Important for us (LAME)
other words - scheme,crusade, risk, hazard, try, attempt. Many more associated words but these cover Q attitude.
Agreement - The act of agreeing.
no comment here.
other words - understanding, complying, compromise, concession,negotiation,bargaining, acknowledging. Words with meanings they don't understand.
Lets just use 2 of the words to mandate Q attitude to replace EA
" DIFFICULT ACKNOWLEDGING " the importance of its staff.
Enterprise - difficult or important project.
Difficult for them
Important for us (LAME)
other words - scheme,crusade, risk, hazard, try, attempt. Many more associated words but these cover Q attitude.
Agreement - The act of agreeing.
no comment here.
other words - understanding, complying, compromise, concession,negotiation,bargaining, acknowledging. Words with meanings they don't understand.
Lets just use 2 of the words to mandate Q attitude to replace EA
" DIFFICULT ACKNOWLEDGING " the importance of its staff.
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Back to the front
Right on the money BD1 
Time to ramp up, monday will be an absolute waste of time, time for some rowers meetings too
oh and on a slightly seperate subject, where the f#$% are the pilots ! I thought they were shoulder to shoulder with us, looks like they're stalled, has the company offered them something ?
Time to ramp up, monday will be an absolute waste of time, time for some rowers meetings too
oh and on a slightly seperate subject, where the f#$% are the pilots ! I thought they were shoulder to shoulder with us, looks like they're stalled, has the company offered them something ?
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The pilots are having meetings soon but can tell you they are quite interested in what WE are going to do and when.
Some cannot wait it seems.
Some cannot wait it seems.
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Hopefully WE are going into bat after the next exec meeting (thursday?)
Speaking of the pilots, have they even had a PIA ballot yet?
They seem about as reliable as some DMM's.
Speaking of which, the DMM's have already been approached by company
managers as to which side of the fence they stand.
Cudo's to those that have told the managers to naff off.
After all, DMM's have probably benefited the most from our previous toils.
Definately one in Brisvegas needs monitoring.
Can only guess where the CNS assclowns are positioned.
Speaking of the pilots, have they even had a PIA ballot yet?
They seem about as reliable as some DMM's.
Speaking of which, the DMM's have already been approached by company
managers as to which side of the fence they stand.
Cudo's to those that have told the managers to naff off.
After all, DMM's have probably benefited the most from our previous toils.
Definately one in Brisvegas needs monitoring.
Can only guess where the CNS assclowns are positioned.
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"Speaking of the pilots, have they even had a PIA ballot yet?"
No.
"They seem about as reliable as some DMM's."
I and a lot of my collegues have a lot of respect for you gentlemen, so why the agro?
"Speaking of the pilots, have they even had a PIA ballot yet?"
No.
"They seem about as reliable as some DMM's."
I and a lot of my collegues have a lot of respect for you gentlemen, so why the agro?
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The majority of pilots are 200% behind you. The company stalling tactics are trying to divide us, however our day is drawing nearer. The planets are slowly aligning.
Then again management plants trying to divide us is what they want. Wait to see what we will be writing up in the log when the PIA starts.
Then again management plants trying to divide us is what they want. Wait to see what we will be writing up in the log when the PIA starts.
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Monday will be interesting to say the least.
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The boss of Qantas, Alan Joyce, is about to face his toughest challenge since he took the top job in 2008: compromise with the unions and reduce margins or face some damaging industrial action.
The spectre of messy industrial action comes at a time the airline is suffering from a battered image following a string of midair emergencies last year, low staff morale and discontent that the Qantas brand is being run down to skimp on costs and promote its budget airline, Jetstar, which is less unionised and has cheaper pilots.
Talks with some unions, including the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA), reached a dangerous point yesterday. The boss of the association warned that it would strike on Friday. The Transport Workers Union is also holding talks, as is the Australian and International Pilots Association, over a deal for its long-haul pilots.
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These three unions represent a big swag of the group's staff and could make life difficult for Qantas - as well as for customers. On one side, staff feel disengaged and poorly treated, and want more security; on the other, management is looking at its numbers and the impact if it bows to union demands.
The problem Joyce faces is that Qantas pilots are paid more than some regional counterparts, and in cases where other pilots are paid more, their productivity is believed to be higher. The only way Joyce will be able to convince the board that he can justify a pay increase is if he can get agreed productivity gains. If the unions don't buy this, there will be industrial fireworks.
Qantas pilots and engineers have wage claims - but are offering no productivity gains - which Qantas says mean a 25 per cent rise in pilot costs over three years and 36 per cent for engineers.
Aviation analyst Kevin O'Connor, who wrote a report on Qantas before leaving Merrill Lynch last week, says it is crunch time for the company. In his report O'Connor concludes that Qantas is the most expensive airline in the region.
"Margins have been protected by it also having the highest yield, but rising competition means we think it must improve productivity," he says.
Qantas unions have scope to offer productivity gains, and Qantas has powerful levers, via its low-cost Jetstar operation and the incoming 787 fleet, with which to extract productivity gains, O'Connor says.
But the clock is ticking. Qantas is neck and neck with Air New Zealand for having the highest cash operating expenditure among its regional peers. Its saving grace to date has been its yields, which are among the highest in the region. They have enabled it to offset costs and give it one of the highest margins per passenger kilometre among its peers. But its yields are under attack. Competition in the shape of lower prices, better quality products and a perception that the company is running down the Qantas brand, are forcing down its yields.
Competition intensified yesterday, when Emirates announced it would scrap its fuel surcharge on all flights.
If strikes and other forms of industrial action are thrown into the mix, customers will vote with their feet. The engineers took industrial action in 2008, causing disruptions for thousands of passengers.
Qantas meets the pilots' union this week over stalled talks on a new deal with its long-haul pilots.
Fireworks ahead if Qantas staff won't agree to link pay rises to productivity gains
The spectre of messy industrial action comes at a time the airline is suffering from a battered image following a string of midair emergencies last year, low staff morale and discontent that the Qantas brand is being run down to skimp on costs and promote its budget airline, Jetstar, which is less unionised and has cheaper pilots.
Talks with some unions, including the Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA), reached a dangerous point yesterday. The boss of the association warned that it would strike on Friday. The Transport Workers Union is also holding talks, as is the Australian and International Pilots Association, over a deal for its long-haul pilots.
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These three unions represent a big swag of the group's staff and could make life difficult for Qantas - as well as for customers. On one side, staff feel disengaged and poorly treated, and want more security; on the other, management is looking at its numbers and the impact if it bows to union demands.
The problem Joyce faces is that Qantas pilots are paid more than some regional counterparts, and in cases where other pilots are paid more, their productivity is believed to be higher. The only way Joyce will be able to convince the board that he can justify a pay increase is if he can get agreed productivity gains. If the unions don't buy this, there will be industrial fireworks.
Qantas pilots and engineers have wage claims - but are offering no productivity gains - which Qantas says mean a 25 per cent rise in pilot costs over three years and 36 per cent for engineers.
Aviation analyst Kevin O'Connor, who wrote a report on Qantas before leaving Merrill Lynch last week, says it is crunch time for the company. In his report O'Connor concludes that Qantas is the most expensive airline in the region.
"Margins have been protected by it also having the highest yield, but rising competition means we think it must improve productivity," he says.
Qantas unions have scope to offer productivity gains, and Qantas has powerful levers, via its low-cost Jetstar operation and the incoming 787 fleet, with which to extract productivity gains, O'Connor says.
But the clock is ticking. Qantas is neck and neck with Air New Zealand for having the highest cash operating expenditure among its regional peers. Its saving grace to date has been its yields, which are among the highest in the region. They have enabled it to offset costs and give it one of the highest margins per passenger kilometre among its peers. But its yields are under attack. Competition in the shape of lower prices, better quality products and a perception that the company is running down the Qantas brand, are forcing down its yields.
Competition intensified yesterday, when Emirates announced it would scrap its fuel surcharge on all flights.
If strikes and other forms of industrial action are thrown into the mix, customers will vote with their feet. The engineers took industrial action in 2008, causing disruptions for thousands of passengers.
Qantas meets the pilots' union this week over stalled talks on a new deal with its long-haul pilots.
Fireworks ahead if Qantas staff won't agree to link pay rises to productivity gains
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Qantas pilots and engineers have wage claims - but are offering no productivity gains - which Qantas says mean a 25 per cent rise in pilot costs over three years and 36 per cent for engineers.
That is a blatant lie by an ill-informed ignorant reporter. A journalist would do some research before attempting to comment on an issue they obviously know nothing about. Amazingly the coward reporter didn’t put their name to it.
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Just parroting the company line.cant expect much more from a parrot.
As a group I expect that the company would have enough respect to actually talk about anything they would like us to do.
They maybe be surprised by the results of a more open approach but I suspect they want all the gains and do not want to pay for any of it.
sad state of affairs. Lying to the media will not help.
As a group I expect that the company would have enough respect to actually talk about anything they would like us to do.
They maybe be surprised by the results of a more open approach but I suspect they want all the gains and do not want to pay for any of it.
sad state of affairs. Lying to the media will not help.
