Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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Righty Tighty
The industry is so small in Aussie, the numbers available that participated last time has diminished. A few are working as AMEs in Qantas; most are working for 2 men and a ladder, John Holland, etc; some in L.A.; a couple working on contract for Qantas in Tech Services etc. A few regretted getting involved, to many 'difficult' evenings out in the local area. I doubt they could put to many together to sit in the hotel room.
Yes, the intelligence from QE management is absolutely amazing!!!
Yes, the intelligence from QE management is absolutely amazing!!!
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To BRISSYSPARKYCOLT, what you stated is no longer true!
"That rep wouldn't happen to be our Avalon based curry loving rep would it"
He is not a Rep (Official) anymore and Avalon is now covered by two new Executive Members. To suggest he still exists would be upsetting to many at Avalon.
From what I understand they are much more interested in fighting for all of the members... including Qantas. Seem to be trying to do a good job too.
The word on the floor is roll on Qantas PIA, as you guys have unity that Avalon dreams off.
"That rep wouldn't happen to be our Avalon based curry loving rep would it"
He is not a Rep (Official) anymore and Avalon is now covered by two new Executive Members. To suggest he still exists would be upsetting to many at Avalon.
From what I understand they are much more interested in fighting for all of the members... including Qantas. Seem to be trying to do a good job too.
The word on the floor is roll on Qantas PIA, as you guys have unity that Avalon dreams off.
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Excellent news whatdouknow. That rep sounded like he was stuck in the old days of the association where personal gain came first and members came second. How things have changed!!!
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Yes... it appears that it was time for those two to go.
As for the future, many are just waiting for a big win against those in charge and who knows, Avalon may have guys that finally understand how to stand together.
You never know the Qf guys might even lead the charge...
As for the future, many are just waiting for a big win against those in charge and who knows, Avalon may have guys that finally understand how to stand together.
You never know the Qf guys might even lead the charge...
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Hi Fed Sec,
Heard through the grapevine that Jetstar has been offered hangerspace
in SYD and BNE by big brother,thought H245 and 271 had to be removed
for more terminal space and was a big part of closing Heavy down.
Hope to see the ALAEA involved in pornstars next EBA
Heard through the grapevine that Jetstar has been offered hangerspace
in SYD and BNE by big brother,thought H245 and 271 had to be removed
for more terminal space and was a big part of closing Heavy down.
Hope to see the ALAEA involved in pornstars next EBA
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PIA ballot has been approved by Fair Work Australia.
The voter rolls will now have to be collated and it should open in about 10 days time. Will be an electronic vote.
cheers
The voter rolls will now have to be collated and it should open in about 10 days time. Will be an electronic vote.
cheers
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PIA PIA PIA
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The war drums are deafening
It's Time once again for the engineers to deliver a message to those who seek to hold us down
We will never yield to tyrants
To be sure to be sure.......................
PIA PIA PIA
PIA PIA PIA
PIA PIA PIA
PIA PIA PIA
PIA PIA PIA
PIA PIA PIA
The war drums are deafening
It's Time once again for the engineers to deliver a message to those who seek to hold us down
We will never yield to tyrants
To be sure to be sure.......................
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Thanks Fedsec and execs for your efforts of late,
Today we had an informal feedback session after work and there was certainly a lot of questions regarding the loss of service points (ie for blokes on level 8, 12 & above and how it would be managed) and also regarding the 'customer' payments.
Would you prefer an email to the union with more details about these enquiries or should I throw them out here for all to discuss. I do understand that we are only in the early stages with regards to above details however if we are heading into P.I.A we should all be very clear what we are fighting for!
Keep up the good work mate.
Today we had an informal feedback session after work and there was certainly a lot of questions regarding the loss of service points (ie for blokes on level 8, 12 & above and how it would be managed) and also regarding the 'customer' payments.
Would you prefer an email to the union with more details about these enquiries or should I throw them out here for all to discuss. I do understand that we are only in the early stages with regards to above details however if we are heading into P.I.A we should all be very clear what we are fighting for!
Keep up the good work mate.
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Send me an email mate at [email protected]
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Thanks Fedsec, I'll get on to the email.
I noticed earlier in your reply you had an email address attached, it now appears to be missing. Can you repost please or if not I'll just email Bexley and they can forward on.
Ta mate.
I noticed earlier in your reply you had an email address attached, it now appears to be missing. Can you repost please or if not I'll just email Bexley and they can forward on.
Ta mate.
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Behold! The latest load of utter tripe from CN...................
Is it just me? Or are the walls getting harder and the heads softer when it comes to comunicating with QF management? I still don't think they get the message.
I also wonder exactly how many EA meetings, that started preliminary discussions nearly 12 months ago, our beloved EGM for engineering has actually been to? My guess would be ZERO!
Oldmeadow must harldy be able to contain his glee at the naivety of the management at QF and their willingness to blindly follow his advice and line his pockets simultaneously.
Any comment in response to Chris FEDSEC?
I’m disappointed the ALAEA is conducting a ballot asking our LAMEs to take Protected Industrial Action (PIA). This will hurt Qantas and has the potential to cause disruption and pain to our passengers, our colleagues and the reputation of Qantas Engineering (QE).
I watched the 2008 dispute between QE and the ALAEA as a third party customer and I have to ask why anyone would want to go through that not once, but twice? OK on the face of it, maybe it looked like a win for the ALAEA and the LAMEs but was it really?
The view from the long white cloud
I was a QE airline customer at Air New Zealand back then and we suddenly found ourselves without any support. We didn’t care whose fault it was or what the dispute was about. This was AirNZ’s largest international operation, critical to our business, and we were suddenly left high and dry. We had no choice we had to keep flying so, of course, we found other providers.
After the dispute, QE (Gavin Harris in fact) came to ask us back. Sure the prices were higher, but the main reason we stayed away was because our people in Sydney told us there was still so much animosity between management and staff. At that time, we didn’t think either party had learned anything from the dispute or learnt to resolve their differences by talking to each other so we were nervous there would be more industrial action in the future and we couldn’t take that risk.
A damaged reputation
The dispute in 2008 certainly hurt Qantas. A conservative estimate of the financial cost put it well over $100M. It also cost Qantas Engineering the respect of the rest of the company and, to a large degree, of the travelling public. One of the most insidious effects was to create an even bigger rift between QE Management and the LAMEs. And of course, we’re now almost totally out of customer work.
I’m not defending either party, I’ve heard blame on both sides and if what I’ve heard is true, it certainly sounds like some pretty bad things happened.
But it’s now 2011 and the world has moved on. I’m working with you at QE now and when I took this job on, I made it a personal mission to leave QE in a better state than I found it. Hopefully everyone in QE has seen some of the changes we’re making, whether it’s new facilities, changes to processes and procedures, the Executive Leadership Team out and about in the workplaces or Service Quality.
We’re trying to make things better, but we can only do that by focusing on the future. We can’t change the past. So I’m asking you to think about the future too. Don’t let us go the way of Eastern Airlines (US) in 1989 where, on the day the airline went out of business, destroyed by strikes, the union cried ‘Victory’. Thousands of people now unemployed, is that really a victory?
It’s a different world
Let’s look at our reality for a moment. The world has never seen so many crises - volcanoes, earthquakes, nuclear threats, tsunamis, revolutions and, in our own backyard, floods, cyclones and bushfires. Because we’re a global company every incident affects us and impacts our costs. Last year, we dealt with 15 separate crises.
At the same time, our industry is evolving, we’ve got new aircraft coming – game changers like the 787, fuel prices are sky rocketing, yields and demand are falling. It’s a different world and to survive and succeed in this new world, we’ve got to look forward; and stop letting the past dictate our future.
I’ve met many of you who have been here for 20, 40, 50 years along with your partners at the long service awards. It’s clear to me you love this airline and you love fixing aircraft. I don’t think you can commit your life to something unless you’re passionate about its survival.
Where’s the Qantas offer?
Many of you have told me that you’re waiting for us to put an offer on the table and I can tell you that this is imminent. It might seem like it’s been a long time coming, but let’s look at the negotiations so far. In October 2010, the ALAEA presented an extensive and complex verbal claim of 28 individual items. We respected that and in good faith have been working to evaluate and cost every single item. Now, these weren’t simple items either, some of them were extremely complex and on top there’s a wage claim proposing a new pay structure.
To say that we’ve been sitting still is simply untrue. In order to bargain in good faith, we have to evaluate every claim in detail before we can respond to it. We need to run it by legal and finance for approval and of course get ExCo’s sign off. That all takes time and with such an extensive and complex claim you can see why it’s been a few months.
I’m not just saying this for effect, the ALAEA’s claim really is extreme. We simply can’t afford to give everything they’ve asked for. However, we’ve made some progress as you’ll see in the attached document. Keep in mind too that the unions have rejected the majority of our claims without discussion.
Our finance people are meeting with the Union on Tuesday to discuss our costings of their proposed pay structure.
We’re at a crossroads here guys, and I’m asking you to choose your path very carefully. I don’t want to go through a dispute and a number of you have told me you don’t either. The choice you make now is critical to our future success and to our survival. Please consider your options carefully. I promise you that we will do the same.
Regards
Chris
I watched the 2008 dispute between QE and the ALAEA as a third party customer and I have to ask why anyone would want to go through that not once, but twice? OK on the face of it, maybe it looked like a win for the ALAEA and the LAMEs but was it really?
The view from the long white cloud
I was a QE airline customer at Air New Zealand back then and we suddenly found ourselves without any support. We didn’t care whose fault it was or what the dispute was about. This was AirNZ’s largest international operation, critical to our business, and we were suddenly left high and dry. We had no choice we had to keep flying so, of course, we found other providers.
After the dispute, QE (Gavin Harris in fact) came to ask us back. Sure the prices were higher, but the main reason we stayed away was because our people in Sydney told us there was still so much animosity between management and staff. At that time, we didn’t think either party had learned anything from the dispute or learnt to resolve their differences by talking to each other so we were nervous there would be more industrial action in the future and we couldn’t take that risk.
A damaged reputation
The dispute in 2008 certainly hurt Qantas. A conservative estimate of the financial cost put it well over $100M. It also cost Qantas Engineering the respect of the rest of the company and, to a large degree, of the travelling public. One of the most insidious effects was to create an even bigger rift between QE Management and the LAMEs. And of course, we’re now almost totally out of customer work.
I’m not defending either party, I’ve heard blame on both sides and if what I’ve heard is true, it certainly sounds like some pretty bad things happened.
But it’s now 2011 and the world has moved on. I’m working with you at QE now and when I took this job on, I made it a personal mission to leave QE in a better state than I found it. Hopefully everyone in QE has seen some of the changes we’re making, whether it’s new facilities, changes to processes and procedures, the Executive Leadership Team out and about in the workplaces or Service Quality.
We’re trying to make things better, but we can only do that by focusing on the future. We can’t change the past. So I’m asking you to think about the future too. Don’t let us go the way of Eastern Airlines (US) in 1989 where, on the day the airline went out of business, destroyed by strikes, the union cried ‘Victory’. Thousands of people now unemployed, is that really a victory?
It’s a different world
Let’s look at our reality for a moment. The world has never seen so many crises - volcanoes, earthquakes, nuclear threats, tsunamis, revolutions and, in our own backyard, floods, cyclones and bushfires. Because we’re a global company every incident affects us and impacts our costs. Last year, we dealt with 15 separate crises.
At the same time, our industry is evolving, we’ve got new aircraft coming – game changers like the 787, fuel prices are sky rocketing, yields and demand are falling. It’s a different world and to survive and succeed in this new world, we’ve got to look forward; and stop letting the past dictate our future.
I’ve met many of you who have been here for 20, 40, 50 years along with your partners at the long service awards. It’s clear to me you love this airline and you love fixing aircraft. I don’t think you can commit your life to something unless you’re passionate about its survival.
Where’s the Qantas offer?
Many of you have told me that you’re waiting for us to put an offer on the table and I can tell you that this is imminent. It might seem like it’s been a long time coming, but let’s look at the negotiations so far. In October 2010, the ALAEA presented an extensive and complex verbal claim of 28 individual items. We respected that and in good faith have been working to evaluate and cost every single item. Now, these weren’t simple items either, some of them were extremely complex and on top there’s a wage claim proposing a new pay structure.
To say that we’ve been sitting still is simply untrue. In order to bargain in good faith, we have to evaluate every claim in detail before we can respond to it. We need to run it by legal and finance for approval and of course get ExCo’s sign off. That all takes time and with such an extensive and complex claim you can see why it’s been a few months.
I’m not just saying this for effect, the ALAEA’s claim really is extreme. We simply can’t afford to give everything they’ve asked for. However, we’ve made some progress as you’ll see in the attached document. Keep in mind too that the unions have rejected the majority of our claims without discussion.
Our finance people are meeting with the Union on Tuesday to discuss our costings of their proposed pay structure.
We’re at a crossroads here guys, and I’m asking you to choose your path very carefully. I don’t want to go through a dispute and a number of you have told me you don’t either. The choice you make now is critical to our future success and to our survival. Please consider your options carefully. I promise you that we will do the same.
Regards
Chris
Is it just me? Or are the walls getting harder and the heads softer when it comes to comunicating with QF management? I still don't think they get the message.
I also wonder exactly how many EA meetings, that started preliminary discussions nearly 12 months ago, our beloved EGM for engineering has actually been to? My guess would be ZERO!
Oldmeadow must harldy be able to contain his glee at the naivety of the management at QF and their willingness to blindly follow his advice and line his pockets simultaneously.
Any comment in response to Chris FEDSEC?
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That has NZ written into every word.
Cmon guys, work for less, work harder, its the only way, you will all lose your jobs unless you all just do what we want.....Trust me fellas.
That actually makes me laugh....Is he serious?
You guys are already some of the lowest paid in the industry....who does he think he is kidding. What has Qantas profit been in the last few years?
Hey Chris....get your mates over at ANZ to pay me the outstanding $40,000 they owe me from when you cut mine and my families livelihood at Ansett afloat....Then I might give a toss about the view from the "long black cloud".
Cmon guys, work for less, work harder, its the only way, you will all lose your jobs unless you all just do what we want.....Trust me fellas.
That actually makes me laugh....Is he serious?
You guys are already some of the lowest paid in the industry....who does he think he is kidding. What has Qantas profit been in the last few years?
Hey Chris....get your mates over at ANZ to pay me the outstanding $40,000 they owe me from when you cut mine and my families livelihood at Ansett afloat....Then I might give a toss about the view from the "long black cloud".
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It's true. Chris has not been to one of the 20 or so meetings.
The sad thing is, he is a pretty friendly, upfront guy and I think he genuinely believes what he has written. It's amazing what you can shield yourself from.
The sad thing is, he is a pretty friendly, upfront guy and I think he genuinely believes what he has written. It's amazing what you can shield yourself from.
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chris seems to be a nice enough guy, maybe he does not realise
some of the 2008 protagonists linger on at the negotiation table.
he needs to have a good hard look at his team. maybe even kick
some arse. obviously the current team is not achieving his goals.
some of the 2008 protagonists linger on at the negotiation table.
he needs to have a good hard look at his team. maybe even kick
some arse. obviously the current team is not achieving his goals.