Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin

[unionist1974]

BSC ,
Would you care to look at what is going on outside your own self centered world of greed ? No you would not . But , LAME's never have , thats why they broke away from established Unions to form their own elite " Association " not a Union , never have , never will be , don't care about anyone else . Greed is God

[BrissySparkyCoit]

A few little facts for you unionist1974:-

• I have only just become a LAME as of 2 days ago.
• I was an AME delegate for 10 years.
• The ALAEA are fighting to KEEP what QF LAMEs already have.
• The ALAEA are fighting for PARITY with LAMEs in other companies.

It may have taken me far too many years to become licenced however, I have never once been bitter towards LAME's for that. What's your story buddy?

The current ALAEA executive have done more for their members than any previous executive I have seen in my time (looking from outside as an AME, remember?) A lot of what they have achieved has flowed on to AME unions.

You can bitch about the past however we are living in the present.

The majority of current ALAEA members and executive for that matter were AME's back when your alleged injustices took place.Perhaps they, unlike you, have learnt to move on?

Greed is God

It is, if you happen to be a manager collecting ever increasing bonuses whilst blackmailing your workers into foregoing entitlements.

What timing !

Again, could you please elaborate on this statement?

I question the validity of your user name.

In all honesty, I am probably wasting my time replying to you, as it seems quite certain from your posts that you are not here to contribute, simply to stir people up.

[Runaround Valve]

Unionist 1974

You sound like on of the two A M E`s at the section that I worked in many years ago.

[buttmonkey1]

unfortunately word has come from a southern undermanager meeting
that any ideas of getting customer work back are off the table, forget it.
in buttmonkey city this is definately the message received, load and clear.
fedsec, what is the latest progress? like with the meetings before the new year break,
zero, nada, zippo, zilch? what's the latest thoughts on this
'customers will be actively sought if we sign up quick' committment?
and these new, contradictory statements from his next level down?
someone is bull****ting, and then the 'kill the bull****ting' policy. WTF.
i definately know this "we're committed to establishing genuine consultation around any potential
changes to the business which have an impact upon any of our employees" from the next level down is BS.
interesting to run the engagement/management survey/appraisal by the lames one more time,
in some area's the modus operandi has not changed, or the level of disengagement.
well, he does seem desperate to identify the problem areas/what is wrong.

[another superlame]

Buttmonkey,
Chris Nassenstien has already said words to this effect. He also mentioned he was at ANZ during the last round of EBA negotiations and from a customers view why would any customer even consider Qantas when there is still so much uncertainty with the idiots that run the place.


( I don't think he used idiot )

[LAME2]

when there is still so much uncertainty with the idiots that run the place

Words were written in latest magazine as;

"The effect is the same, they see a management and emplyee group who really don't like each other and who, in their eyes (or in my eyes when I was at the other side of the Tasman) does not promise stability of supply."

Seems to indicate both parties share some of the blame. Seems that could be considered a reasonable assumption. Seems to me it would be a true assessment of each other sentimet towards the others "lack of trust". I also think "stability of supply" would be high on a customers priorities.

Find it hard to fathom though why QANTAS, when it has customers coming knocking at their door, do not take their money and sign them up (recent rumors in Sydney of Malaysian and Hawaiian Air??). Might start to break that "lack of trust" circle.

[the rim]

unionst1974

all should disregard his/her remarks as they are full of sh%t he/she does not know why the association formed.Looks like its back on track now div1 ,and let hear from our leader[SteveP] on whats to do to seal a deal ifs its PIA then let us know...rim

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Just a quick update while I have a chance.

Customers - EA meeting in Nov we questioned their intentions for regaining some customer work. GH said that they were trying. We said that he was lying because the customer reps at sit were telling us otherwise. KC jumped in and said that was true. QF told them earlier last year that they weren't in a position to pick up customer work ATM.

At a meeting a few days before Xmas there was a critical moment. I was there and trying to push things along. I grabbed a whiteboard and marker and wrote up the things that were agreed. They were all things we said we would give them. In return there was a few maybes but nothing substantial. I said "ok you want a four year deal, we want two. How about we agree to 3 but we need something locked in from the job security list. How about confirmation that we would continue to do aircraft transits in ports that do them now." The qantas managers all started laughing and said no way. The refused to commit to doing what we do now. They explained that they wanted to leave all their options open. It may not appear from what I have written to be a critical moment but for those who were their, it was just clear that they have one thing on their minds and it forms part of their future plans.

Any questions?

[sky rocket]

K.C. has to go. To much history with him. I heard on the grapevine that the 744 reconfigs would get outsourced because it is to expensive to do them in OZ.

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Just watch this space regarding kc. He was honest enough to pull up gh at the ea meeting and confirmed that the alaea was right, the other ops do want to come back but qantas aren't interested ATM.

We have been told that the reconfig job is worth 200mill. The haeko bid has come in 2.5% cheaper. Decision hasn't been made yet on where the work will go.

[division1]

Looks like its back on track now div1 ,and let hear from our leader[SteveP] on whats to do to seal a deal ifs its PIA then let us know...rim

Well Rim, it seems far from back on track.
Serious time wasters acting, it would seem, in opposition to CN's blurb.
From what i remember of KC when he was the leading hand, a man who
had done the hard lame yards and would not let you down, but really,
time has moved past the hour and to be realistic, nothing agreed.
Something must change, and perhaps Kieth and Gavin are not the best
choices with us comming out of the buggery toward Chris's beacon of hope.
Then again, maybe i'm reading the signals all wrong.

[BrissySparkyCoit]

I heard on the grapevine that the 744 reconfigs would get outsourced because it is to expensive to do them in OZ.

My prediction? H245 is Sydney will do the reconfigs with a mixture of QF Senior LAME's and contractors. Why?

1. Avalon seems to be a dying facility. Probably not up to it from a manpower point of view, very capable from a supervisory/leadership point of view.
1.a. Aircraft must be ferried to Avalon for maintenance.
2. Keith Clarkes return to QF and his background as a manager in heavy maintenance.
3. Apparantly, base maintenance sheeties have all been returned back to H191 the workshop facility and are twiddling their thumbs at present.
4. Most importantly... I quote from the Nov 19th Issue of Leading Edge...

During the last week of October we received
approval to commence major upgrade works
to the Sydney Jetbase area. $20.2 million
will be spent transforming H245 into a Line
Maintenance capable hangar that will be able
to fully house aircraft up to the size of a 747-
400.

$20 odd Million!!!?????

A lot to be spending on a facility for "Line Maintenance"!

Perhaps 747 Heavy maintenance checks will quietly start slipping back into 245 also?

[BigGun]

Perhaps 747 Heavy maintenance checks will quietly start slipping back into 245 also?

They are removing all the docking and gantry to make sure that doesn't happen

[BrissySparkyCoit]

There goes my theory then! Can someone track which country they sell it to?

[Silverado]

There goes my theory then! Can someone track which country they sell it to?

You'd better ask sims metal

[Ngineer]

Any questions?

What is a reasonable timeframe to expect negotitions to drag on before we consider other means. Are we looking at the same duration as EBA 8 before we can start looking at PIA?

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

I will be expecting an offer on the table by 15th February 2011. That is about 12 months ahead of the last EBA timetable.

Qantas of course will want to drag it out as long as possible so there is as much back pay in the kitty for them to wield as a threat.

Qantas management of course read this. They need to understand that the process for action to take place will commence on 16th Feb if the offer is not on the table. In case they missed it-

The process for action to take place will commence on 16th Feb if the offer is not on the table.

I think that makes our position clear.

[BLF Goon]

Sounds good Fed Sec, I think the management should realise that the backpay carrot didn't work last time and won't work this time

[Short_Circuit]

Qantas of course will want to drag it out as long as possible so there is as much back pay in the kitty for them to wield as a threat.

That is not much of a threat when a couple of overtime shifts will make it up and more (if that is your thing).
Looking forward to 16th Feb which ever way things turn out.

[Ngineer]

Looks like another repeat of EBA8, only sooner. I am sure that they will be just as confident as they were before our last PIA.

And I am sure that staff will walk away even more "disengaged" and demoralized than before.

Overtime?? Learnt after the last bout that it's just not worth it anymore, (for me anyhow.. ).