Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
Sorry, I've never worked under the Shorthaul Agreement but was told they had a job sharing arrangement. Apart from a provision for Carer's Lines, I can't see anything about it in the current Shorthaul EBA.
I guess on the 737 you just work flat out till you drop, then?
I guess on the 737 you just work flat out till you drop, then?
Very well done guys, especially to Steve.
Just remember that the management chaps will come back and have another go at you again...and probably sooner than you think.
Consider taking up part-time study towards a mining related engineering degree to tin-plate your ar$e for the inevitable next round of talks.
Just remember that the management chaps will come back and have another go at you again...and probably sooner than you think.
Consider taking up part-time study towards a mining related engineering degree to tin-plate your ar$e for the inevitable next round of talks.
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Just remember that the management chaps will come back and have another go at you again...and probably sooner than you think.
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Thank you for the outcome achieved, Steve, Exec, and staff.
Dealing with a CEO and Board happy to destroy Qantas so as to keep total control over who's snouts are in the trough, who prefer to fight employees than work with them (knowledge and experience are the enemy - think B777, think major fleet renewal commitment to 2 new types still on a drawing board), and a Government not willing to fight for Aussie jobs, made it an extremely tough ask.
From my perspective, you stayed true to your core values with a new EA that has something for everyone and no one was sold out for sectional interests. The ALAEA has been further strengthened by your leadership.
Dealing with a CEO and Board happy to destroy Qantas so as to keep total control over who's snouts are in the trough, who prefer to fight employees than work with them (knowledge and experience are the enemy - think B777, think major fleet renewal commitment to 2 new types still on a drawing board), and a Government not willing to fight for Aussie jobs, made it an extremely tough ask.
From my perspective, you stayed true to your core values with a new EA that has something for everyone and no one was sold out for sectional interests. The ALAEA has been further strengthened by your leadership.
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re : Maybe we got screwed over by management and the labor party, but at least the the Australian public are now aware of the a$$clowns running the show (or at least those who were not already aware).
And they will be aware again when LAME haters nastyswine and Harris try to introduce low cost carrier maintenance practices into Qantas.
I had a sweet conversation with my mother in law who was fully supportive of Qantas' tactics during the dispute and works in corporate at Westpac.
When I asked her would you be happy to get on an aircraft which hasn't been inspected by an engineer before flight she thought I was off my tree.
"As if thats what Qantas management want to do" she said as if I was stupid.
Ahh the funs just beginning really. Another public relations disaster sitting on Qantas' doorstep.
And they will be aware again when LAME haters nastyswine and Harris try to introduce low cost carrier maintenance practices into Qantas.
I had a sweet conversation with my mother in law who was fully supportive of Qantas' tactics during the dispute and works in corporate at Westpac.
When I asked her would you be happy to get on an aircraft which hasn't been inspected by an engineer before flight she thought I was off my tree.
"As if thats what Qantas management want to do" she said as if I was stupid.
Ahh the funs just beginning really. Another public relations disaster sitting on Qantas' doorstep.
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Very well done guys, especially to Steve.
Just remember that the management chaps will come back and have another go at you again...and probably sooner than you think.
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So where do we stand with M-O-D ?
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As per the agreement, presently before FWA, clause 11 basically states that LAMEs retain all existing job functions. Qantas have signed off on it, it's just a matter of whether you trust QF management.
As usual the engineering heads of state are as clear as mud and as trustworthy as Lucifer.
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that old clause of lames maintaining their existing job functions might
be still in there, but, read the fine print... subject to blah, blah, some
sort of factors affecting the company?
then the commitment of lames to co-operate on issues to improve efficiency?
sp might explain it better, of course he could, but i think were screwed
and besides many at the coal face are thinking bring it on, get on with it
and plenty are sweating on the numbers required and the vr's to flow on from it.
these clauses mean about as much as the one where the lames and company will
start getting other operators contracts back on the int'l ramp.
be still in there, but, read the fine print... subject to blah, blah, some
sort of factors affecting the company?
then the commitment of lames to co-operate on issues to improve efficiency?
sp might explain it better, of course he could, but i think were screwed
and besides many at the coal face are thinking bring it on, get on with it
and plenty are sweating on the numbers required and the vr's to flow on from it.
these clauses mean about as much as the one where the lames and company will
start getting other operators contracts back on the int'l ramp.
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As per the agreement, presently before FWA, clause 11 basically states that LAMEs retain all existing job functions. Qantas have signed off on it, it's just a matter of whether you trust QF management.
Yes, we've discussed this one locally, however, this statement doesn't secure the frequency of our job functions. Currently every transit, but invoking the current policy on several type transit checks sees this frequency reduced to once a day.
As usual the engineering heads of state are as clear as mud and as trustworthy as Lucifer.
As per the agreement, presently before FWA, clause 11 basically states that LAMEs retain all existing job functions. Qantas have signed off on it, it's just a matter of whether you trust QF management.
Yes, we've discussed this one locally, however, this statement doesn't secure the frequency of our job functions. Currently every transit, but invoking the current policy on several type transit checks sees this frequency reduced to once a day.
As usual the engineering heads of state are as clear as mud and as trustworthy as Lucifer.
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So where do we stand with M-O-D ?
I think the term M-O-D was a management derived term that was thought up to gloss over this cheap and nasty practice, and a term I refuse to use.
How about 'maintenance on destruction'??
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The LAME functions will remain for as long as the "classic" 737, 767 and now aging 744's remain in the fleet. Once these guys are gone, so are the LAME functions as we know them.
Surely arriving and departing aircraft are existing job functions. I don't see anyone else doing it on a380's or 738's.
Surely arriving and departing aircraft are existing job functions. I don't see anyone else doing it on a380's or 738's.
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The LAME functions will remain for as long as the "classic" 737, 767 and now aging 744's remain in the fleet. Once these guys are gone, so are the LAME functions as we know them.
Surely arriving and departing aircraft are existing job functions. I don't see anyone else doing it on a380's or 738's.
Surely arriving and departing aircraft are existing job functions. I don't see anyone else doing it on a380's or 738's.
All the new generation aircraft "don't need" LAME's to arrive or depart them.
Wait for the all new "futuristic" airport in Sydney in the coming years. QANTAS and its subsidiaries and One World partners will operate from what is now Domestic and where the hangars are and all others will operate from what is now the international terminal.
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I think the Virgin domestic system is the best of both worlds, they use a mixed crew of AMEs and LAMEs. They both do the turnarounds, if the arriving aircraft for an AME comes in with a defect then he swaps with a LAME.
The LAME fixes the aircraft and departs it, the AME departs the LAMEs original a/c.
This way the aircraft gets a look over by a set of trained eyes, rather than a non-interested bagchucker. And the company gets it savings by having more AMEs doing turnarounds.
The LAME fixes the aircraft and departs it, the AME departs the LAMEs original a/c.
This way the aircraft gets a look over by a set of trained eyes, rather than a non-interested bagchucker. And the company gets it savings by having more AMEs doing turnarounds.
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I think the Virgin domestic system is the best of both worlds, they use a mixed crew of AMEs and LAMEs. They both do the turnarounds, if the arriving aircraft for an AME comes in with a defect then he swaps with a LAME.
The LAME fixes the aircraft and departs it, the AME departs the LAMEs original a/c.
This way the aircraft gets a look over by a set of trained eyes, rather than a non-interested bagchucker. And the company gets it savings by having more AMEs doing turnarounds.
The LAME fixes the aircraft and departs it, the AME departs the LAMEs original a/c.
This way the aircraft gets a look over by a set of trained eyes, rather than a non-interested bagchucker. And the company gets it savings by having more AMEs doing turnarounds.
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....you guys do realise there is actually a whole world outside of Australia that fly aircraft too?
If you weren't so hung up fighting for something that simply isnt necassary, you might actually move forward and adapt to an industry that has actually progressed more than you would like to admit.
Yep, this thread might be about the QF lame negotiations, but there are a whole lot of very experienced lames working for other airlines in Australia and around the world reading this thread and thinking.........wake up
If you weren't so hung up fighting for something that simply isnt necassary, you might actually move forward and adapt to an industry that has actually progressed more than you would like to admit.
Yep, this thread might be about the QF lame negotiations, but there are a whole lot of very experienced lames working for other airlines in Australia and around the world reading this thread and thinking.........wake up
