Pilots of Australia - Meeting 27 September
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The wearing of uniforms on off days is a breach of the employee code of conduct, and may lead to dismissal, especially if you are a trouble maker.
The Melbourne meeting may as well be a polling booth where guys bid for their commands by nominating the salary they want, this way the company can save more money .
Dont forget security will trawl the staff carpark to look for people parking on their days off.
IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEAVE. Its not winnable !
The Melbourne meeting may as well be a polling booth where guys bid for their commands by nominating the salary they want, this way the company can save more money .
Dont forget security will trawl the staff carpark to look for people parking on their days off.
IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEAVE. Its not winnable !
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Alloyboobtube.....you are an idiot! A pilots uniform does not have to be company issue. I am sure the boys can come up with an old white shirt and tie. Just a professional image my friend.
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Wearing a pilots uniform is Ok, but I wouldnt wear any company insignea, or your current employers issued uniform, just to be on the safe side.
Most have an old uniform they could wear.
Most have an old uniform they could wear.
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Anticipated Numbers?
Anyone have any idea what sort of numbers we can expect? Hopefully a similarly good showing as in Sydney...
Any chance that Senator Xenophon (or his staffers) will be in attendance?
PG
Any chance that Senator Xenophon (or his staffers) will be in attendance?
PG
Hey Dumb pilots I win love Bruce
In the last 20 mins I spoke to AIPA and this meeting will be
CANCELLED AT 1500 TODAY unless sufficient replys are received in the office.
Call 03 9938 3898 and confirm your attendance to Koral.
Then get out your mobile and sms every bloody pilot you know and get them on board. If you don't do this within the next 2.5hrs - we're all stuffed.
CANCELLED AT 1500 TODAY unless sufficient replys are received in the office.
Call 03 9938 3898 and confirm your attendance to Koral.
Then get out your mobile and sms every bloody pilot you know and get them on board. If you don't do this within the next 2.5hrs - we're all stuffed.
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Melbourne Mantra 1300 Mon 27th - Meeting is ON!
A lot of guys/gals have been a bit slack in RSVPing....but I just spoke with AIPA HQ...Meeting is DEFINITELY on...a flurry of phone calls and texts to interested parties has ensured enough RSVPs to conduct the meeting.
See you at the Mantra, 1300 Mon 27th.
PG
See you at the Mantra, 1300 Mon 27th.
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Good Turnout
I was there. I didn't take notes, but here is my recollection...
There was somewhere between 50 and 100 in attendance. Most guys, overwhelmingly, were from QF, with smaller numbers from Jetstar and a few from Virgin Blue and Tiger. Unfortunately, there didn't seem to be any from the Regionals and GA...perhaps to do with the fact that no publicity of the meeting was placed in mainstream media.
Not nearly as many as the Sydney meeting but numbers were expected to be lower for several reasons not least of which was the rapidly unfolding IT fiasco at Virgin Blue...
The tone of the meeting was united, defiant and deeply passionate that our profession had to be rescued from this dangerous path.
There was a feeling that the 2 major issues (Off-shoring and 200 hour FOs) had galvanised the industry now to stop the rot in its tracks. Many guys I spoke with said they hadn't seen this sort of unity in more than 20 years.
An identical no-confidence motion in BB was carried unanimously by the group.
Senator Xenophon was spoken of warmly and considered key to the fight.
Cohesion, unity and collective industry focus were mentioned by all speakers...and considered essential to success.
This aspect was particularly highlighted by the Transport Workers Union speaker who assured the audience that the rest of our aviation industry colleagues (Baggage handlers, FAs, Refuellers, ATCs, Customer Service etc etc) were 100% behind us.
The meeting was advised that management had closed the door on further discussions and so the course ahead meant publicity campaigns and/or legal challenges. AIPA's legal counsel felt that an effective publicity campaign was the smarter choice.
Further, there was some explanation from a Jetstar pilot regarding the 'September to Remember' campaign. He said that the success of this campaign would not be known until the data for September had been analysed down the track but that he would not be surprised if a lot of efficiencies disappeared as individual pilots ceased going beyond what they were contracted to do.
The legal guy confirmed that doing just 'what you are paid to do, and no more' was acting within the law and could not be seen as an illegal industrial action.
A few free bevvies were had by all after the formal meeting and everyone I spoke to felt that the meeting was a success. It continued the momentum of the Sydney meeting...and there was talk of perhaps another meeting, the next one in BrisVegas.
PG
There was somewhere between 50 and 100 in attendance. Most guys, overwhelmingly, were from QF, with smaller numbers from Jetstar and a few from Virgin Blue and Tiger. Unfortunately, there didn't seem to be any from the Regionals and GA...perhaps to do with the fact that no publicity of the meeting was placed in mainstream media.
Not nearly as many as the Sydney meeting but numbers were expected to be lower for several reasons not least of which was the rapidly unfolding IT fiasco at Virgin Blue...
The tone of the meeting was united, defiant and deeply passionate that our profession had to be rescued from this dangerous path.
There was a feeling that the 2 major issues (Off-shoring and 200 hour FOs) had galvanised the industry now to stop the rot in its tracks. Many guys I spoke with said they hadn't seen this sort of unity in more than 20 years.
An identical no-confidence motion in BB was carried unanimously by the group.
Senator Xenophon was spoken of warmly and considered key to the fight.
Cohesion, unity and collective industry focus were mentioned by all speakers...and considered essential to success.
This aspect was particularly highlighted by the Transport Workers Union speaker who assured the audience that the rest of our aviation industry colleagues (Baggage handlers, FAs, Refuellers, ATCs, Customer Service etc etc) were 100% behind us.
The meeting was advised that management had closed the door on further discussions and so the course ahead meant publicity campaigns and/or legal challenges. AIPA's legal counsel felt that an effective publicity campaign was the smarter choice.
Further, there was some explanation from a Jetstar pilot regarding the 'September to Remember' campaign. He said that the success of this campaign would not be known until the data for September had been analysed down the track but that he would not be surprised if a lot of efficiencies disappeared as individual pilots ceased going beyond what they were contracted to do.
The legal guy confirmed that doing just 'what you are paid to do, and no more' was acting within the law and could not be seen as an illegal industrial action.
A few free bevvies were had by all after the formal meeting and everyone I spoke to felt that the meeting was a success. It continued the momentum of the Sydney meeting...and there was talk of perhaps another meeting, the next one in BrisVegas.
PG
Thanks for the info popgun. Myself and quite a few others planned to go but got called in. Virtually everyone I know at JQ at the moment are rostered for max hours and getting flogged. No wonder only a few could actually make it.
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Next Meeting BNE?
I think the idea of a further meeting in South East Queensland is a good one....in order to keep the momentum rolling...as well as to connect face to face with pilots who are based in cane toad country.
What does everyone else think? Good idea?
PG
What does everyone else think? Good idea?
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Send an Email to Demonstrate Interest in BNE Meeting!
As was acknowledged at the MEL meeting, AIPA are willing to put on another 'All Pilots' meeting in BNE if there is enough interest demonstrated.
All who care about our industry need to confirm that there is MORE than enough interest.
I recommend everyone email AIPA (or AFAP if you prefer - or both if you are not a member of either) and confirm their interest in attending (or watching via webcast) a proposed next meeting in BNE.
Lets continue to increase this momentum. Participate!
PG
PS. If you're not gonna be able to get to BNE then email them and let them know you would like to watch/listen to a webcast on the internet. AIPA and AFAP email addresses are found easily on their websites.
All who care about our industry need to confirm that there is MORE than enough interest.
I recommend everyone email AIPA (or AFAP if you prefer - or both if you are not a member of either) and confirm their interest in attending (or watching via webcast) a proposed next meeting in BNE.
Lets continue to increase this momentum. Participate!
PG
PS. If you're not gonna be able to get to BNE then email them and let them know you would like to watch/listen to a webcast on the internet. AIPA and AFAP email addresses are found easily on their websites.
I'd suggest approaching the CEO unsolicited and probably half full of booze is not an appropriate course of action.
Regardless of what BB stands for, he is still a person and entitled to liberty after work hours without a bloody moron telling him how he thinks it is, and should be.
There is a reason why the industry has gone to the poo in NZ as well as Australia. Pilots have accepted the conditions on offer. You (and we) only have ourselves to blame.
Lets hope we can now fix the mistakes of our peers who went before us
Regardless of what BB stands for, he is still a person and entitled to liberty after work hours without a bloody moron telling him how he thinks it is, and should be.
There is a reason why the industry has gone to the poo in NZ as well as Australia. Pilots have accepted the conditions on offer. You (and we) only have ourselves to blame.
Lets hope we can now fix the mistakes of our peers who went before us
