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Dont remember reading that. (must have been with all the other emails regarding lost torches, jepp plates, jackets, sun glasses, crew trying to get out of operational duty because they commute 
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Though will go a long way to finally sorting out movement problems etc and the issue with $$$
)Though will go a long way to finally sorting out movement problems etc and the issue with $$$
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Yes as already said from April all new recruits go onto the Ejet. Doesn't matter on hours.
Do you really think if someone applies with 5000 hours on an NG they will send them to the Ejet?
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Great idea that way if you don't want to fly the Ejet you can apply to Jetstar and give the guys in the LHS and the crew room a rest from what an injustice it all is.
Can someone please post a list of VB pilot bases and aircraft types crewed from each.
Which bases are external new hires on the Ejet ikely to get or can you nominate/ask for a preferred basing??
Are initial endorsements paid for by the company up front but then salary sacrificed later by the employee and thus effectively paid partly or in full??? Some accurate figures would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Which bases are external new hires on the Ejet ikely to get or can you nominate/ask for a preferred basing??
Are initial endorsements paid for by the company up front but then salary sacrificed later by the employee and thus effectively paid partly or in full??? Some accurate figures would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Aussie, it's not hard to find the Virgin Blue pilot EBA online.
E Jet bases are Mel, Syd, Bne, Per. FOs will be needed in all bases.
Endorsement cost, A$30k, can be salary sacrificed over 1 yr or 2.
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E Jet bases are Mel, Syd, Bne, Per. FOs will be needed in all bases.
Endorsement cost, A$30k, can be salary sacrificed over 1 yr or 2.
It's not news and it's not related to the topic title.
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Bases are: BNE, SYD, MEL and PER. All bases have both the 737 and Ejet crewed from them with the A330 also crewed from SYD.
You are asked at the interview what base(s) you would prefer and if you don't get your prefered base, once CTL you can bid for the prefered base.
Over the last 12-18 months 80-90% of new pilots have gone to SYD (hardest base to crew) with rest going to BNE, MEL and PER.
At the moment is hard to say what bases new Ejet FO's would likely go due to the turboprops coming in the second half of the year and the 170's going. SYD Ejet crews would spend 80% of thier time of the 170, so with them leaving and and most of the flights they current do going to the turboprop the SYD Ejet numbers may be reduced.
The salary sacrifice option is done over 12 or 24 months, so the company pays the endoresment and then take it back out of your pay over the 12 or 14 months (your choice). You will not get paid until you are on the Virgin Blue Induction course, so no pay for 4-5 weeks.
Once you have paid back the endorsement you are free to move to another type as an FO (or Capt) at no cost to you. FO's who have been here for just over 3 years have been awarded 737 commands in SYD and Ejet FO's who have been here for 2 years are getting Ejet commands.
Hope that helps.
You are asked at the interview what base(s) you would prefer and if you don't get your prefered base, once CTL you can bid for the prefered base.
Over the last 12-18 months 80-90% of new pilots have gone to SYD (hardest base to crew) with rest going to BNE, MEL and PER.
At the moment is hard to say what bases new Ejet FO's would likely go due to the turboprops coming in the second half of the year and the 170's going. SYD Ejet crews would spend 80% of thier time of the 170, so with them leaving and and most of the flights they current do going to the turboprop the SYD Ejet numbers may be reduced.
The salary sacrifice option is done over 12 or 24 months, so the company pays the endoresment and then take it back out of your pay over the 12 or 14 months (your choice). You will not get paid until you are on the Virgin Blue Induction course, so no pay for 4-5 weeks.
Once you have paid back the endorsement you are free to move to another type as an FO (or Capt) at no cost to you. FO's who have been here for just over 3 years have been awarded 737 commands in SYD and Ejet FO's who have been here for 2 years are getting Ejet commands.
Hope that helps.
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All bases have both the 737 and Ejet crewed from them with the A330 also crewed from SYD.
Once you have paid back the endorsement you are free to move to another type as an FO (or Capt) at no cost to you. .
FO's who have been here for just over 3 years have been awarded 737 commands in SYD
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Sorry ga, you are correct there is no 737 base in PER.
Yes the EBA does say the first move must be a Captain and it has been wavied at the moment, but there is no way that line will appear in the new EBA after the problems it has caused over the last 2-3 years.
With regard to the 737 commands in SYD, the last email (a few weeks ago) with the awared commands in SYD most of these FO's were from the Oct 2007 737 course (check their staff numbers), so they have been here just over 3 years.
Some goes for the EJet commands, pilots have been geting them in PER with around 2 years with the company the ones about to start their upgrade and will be based in SYD are just over the 2 years mark, once again check their staff numbers.
Yes the EBA does say the first move must be a Captain and it has been wavied at the moment, but there is no way that line will appear in the new EBA after the problems it has caused over the last 2-3 years.
With regard to the 737 commands in SYD, the last email (a few weeks ago) with the awared commands in SYD most of these FO's were from the Oct 2007 737 course (check their staff numbers), so they have been here just over 3 years.
Some goes for the EJet commands, pilots have been geting them in PER with around 2 years with the company the ones about to start their upgrade and will be based in SYD are just over the 2 years mark, once again check their staff numbers.
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Once you have paid back the endorsement you are free to move to another type as an FO (or Capt) at no cost to you. .
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Alt, that is correct. For some stupid reason one line was put in the current EBA and it has been a pain in the wallet for the Ejet FO's. With the intorduction of the A330 the company has agreed to wavier this requirement, which now allows the Ejet FO's the option of moving to the 737 or A330 as FO's, hence or new FO's will now be on the Ejet. There is no way that line will remain in the next EBA.
I'm not somone in the know, but unless if that's written into the EBA, wouldn't the company resist allowing FO moves from the Ejet to the 737? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that drastically increase training cost through endorsements and lost line time if they effectively have to double the training? i.e. train an existing ejet FO onto the 737 (at the company's endorsement expense) - lose the pilot in the meantime - then train a new FO onto the Ejet to replace him/her?
Wouldn't it we easier to just train a new recruit directly on the 737 if that's where the crew are needed?
Wouldn't it we easier to just train a new recruit directly on the 737 if that's where the crew are needed?
Dragun,........you would think so, yes.
Then again VB should be paying for all endos, initial new hire and subsequent with maybe an aircraft type lock for say 2 yrs to cover costs.
So an Ejet FO can stay on Ejet as either FO or Capt (as long as they qual for upgrade) for 2 yrs then can bid for 737, A330.
Then again VB should be paying for all endos, initial new hire and subsequent with maybe an aircraft type lock for say 2 yrs to cover costs.
So an Ejet FO can stay on Ejet as either FO or Capt (as long as they qual for upgrade) for 2 yrs then can bid for 737, A330.
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After talking to a management pilot last week, the company wants fleet pay on the B737 and Embraer. By having the fleet pay it would stop/ slow the move from the RH seat of the Embraer to the B737 with First Officers who want to stay in the RH but after a pay rise only moving over to the A330.
This year looks like another big year for change.
This year looks like another big year for change.
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Pipe dream
Dragun,
"Company" has the luxury of recruits paying for their initial training so I don't think its too much of an ask to allow an Ejet FO to move off SYD-CBR a few times in 30 years! All within reason. Place some time restrictions and limit the number of moves and everybody is happy. Expecting the Ejet FO to wait till a 777 command before he/she gets to fly long haul and expecting that they will do this is fanciful in the extreme (they have little incentive to stay) (they will get bored).
Pilots have life stages and like to try new styles of flying over their career. This is a natural instinct and doesn't stop because some wannabee corporate highflier decides they can save a buck. If Virgin Blue think they will hold people on type for their entire career so they can save a dollar in training costs (which they didn't pay for at the initial endorsement phase anyway) they might find that their Ejet FO's/Captains might actually piss off overseas to fly a 777 and not play their game at all. Clever ideas can get expensive if you start dicking with morale and peoples long term future. Low turn over can change overnight.
Sounds like another case of clever people over at QF switching APU's off to save X then lose Y when the APU's keep breaking. How does type and career progression work at Qantas? There's your answer.
"Company" has the luxury of recruits paying for their initial training so I don't think its too much of an ask to allow an Ejet FO to move off SYD-CBR a few times in 30 years! All within reason. Place some time restrictions and limit the number of moves and everybody is happy. Expecting the Ejet FO to wait till a 777 command before he/she gets to fly long haul and expecting that they will do this is fanciful in the extreme (they have little incentive to stay) (they will get bored).
Pilots have life stages and like to try new styles of flying over their career. This is a natural instinct and doesn't stop because some wannabee corporate highflier decides they can save a buck. If Virgin Blue think they will hold people on type for their entire career so they can save a dollar in training costs (which they didn't pay for at the initial endorsement phase anyway) they might find that their Ejet FO's/Captains might actually piss off overseas to fly a 777 and not play their game at all. Clever ideas can get expensive if you start dicking with morale and peoples long term future. Low turn over can change overnight.
Sounds like another case of clever people over at QF switching APU's off to save X then lose Y when the APU's keep breaking. How does type and career progression work at Qantas? There's your answer.
