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skycatcher, I agree entirely, and I am a realist.
Unity is a myth and human nature is what makes it a myth.
orangepeel, because it's divisive to do so and the greatest enemy of the troops is uncertainty.
Unity is a myth and human nature is what makes it a myth.
orangepeel, because it's divisive to do so and the greatest enemy of the troops is uncertainty.
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As I mentioned perhaps before you retire you might like to leave a legacy of inspiring your young colleagues rather than perpetuating your own misery. At this time of opportunity, encouragement to better the lot of Professional Pilots is what is required.
I wish it could be so, but there is no point in giving false hope, pi$$ing in their pockets so to speak.
I will inspire young pilots to be as good as they can be, but as for giving them a rosy picture of what is, in reality, a $hit situation, is just plain dishonest.
As I mentioned perhaps before you retire you might like to leave a legacy of inspiring your young colleagues rather than perpetuating your own misery. At this time of opportunity, encouragement to better the lot of Professional Pilots is what is required.
I wish it could be so, but there is no point in giving false hope, pi$$ing in their pockets so to speak.
I will inspire young pilots to be as good as they can be, but as for giving them a rosy picture of what is, in reality, a $hit situation, is just plain dishonest.
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Originally Posted by Relax737
Unity is a myth and human nature is what makes it a myth.
Here's an interesting link: Learned Helplessness
from the link:
Originally Posted by wikipedia
People with pessimistic explanatory style—which sees negative events as permanent ("it will never change"), personal ("it's my fault"), and pervasive ("I can't do anything correctly")—are most likely to suffer from learned helplessness and depression.
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Mate send it to Ben Sandilands at Plane Talking
You'd be amazed the action he got for a few of us when CASA's calls went unanswered years back!
Mate send it to Ben Sandilands at Plane Talking
You'd be amazed the action he got for a few of us when CASA's calls went unanswered years back!
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burrito, It is only individuals who exist. If they wish, they can become a united group, but total/complete unity is a myth, and anything less than total unity just doesn't cut it. There will always be individuals who will "let the side down".
If you're using wikipedia as a reference you're grasping at straws. Anybody can contribute/correct entries in wikipedia whether they have any idea about what they are writing or not. At best it is suspect, and at worst highly inaccurate.
You'll be quoting Tim Watson Munro next, the junkie psychologist who was advising the AFAP back in '89. Now there's somebody with real credibility.
If you're using wikipedia as a reference you're grasping at straws. Anybody can contribute/correct entries in wikipedia whether they have any idea about what they are writing or not. At best it is suspect, and at worst highly inaccurate.
You'll be quoting Tim Watson Munro next, the junkie psychologist who was advising the AFAP back in '89. Now there's somebody with real credibility.
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Jeez Relax - I went through '89 as well and I have a completely different outlook on than you.
It was the best thing ever for me. Opened up new horizons, sent me overseas (albeit against my will) and has changed my life immeasurably for the better.
I'm sorry you're such a self-admitted pessimistic old defeatist miseryguts but for me at least I have prospered by going out and grabbing the world by the nuts and taking charge of my future rather than being a passive follower. Such thinking has served me well so far and most importantly I'm not at the mercy of some selfish managers' short-term thinking.
Mate I'm sorry you happy in your world of pessimism so you avoid disappointment but that's nothing more than your comfort zone, it's not necessarily reality - it certainly aint mine.
Now is the best time in living memory for younger pilots to take advantage of this terrific situation. There hasn't been an impending shortage like this for years. Virgin are employing DEC's and that's just the start. Tiger of course are and so inevitably will J*. And if you want a lucrative career there are many OS airlines desperate for experienced pilots.
Make hay while the sun shines and ignore the miseryguts!
It was the best thing ever for me. Opened up new horizons, sent me overseas (albeit against my will) and has changed my life immeasurably for the better.
I'm sorry you're such a self-admitted pessimistic old defeatist miseryguts but for me at least I have prospered by going out and grabbing the world by the nuts and taking charge of my future rather than being a passive follower. Such thinking has served me well so far and most importantly I'm not at the mercy of some selfish managers' short-term thinking.
Mate I'm sorry you happy in your world of pessimism so you avoid disappointment but that's nothing more than your comfort zone, it's not necessarily reality - it certainly aint mine.
Now is the best time in living memory for younger pilots to take advantage of this terrific situation. There hasn't been an impending shortage like this for years. Virgin are employing DEC's and that's just the start. Tiger of course are and so inevitably will J*. And if you want a lucrative career there are many OS airlines desperate for experienced pilots.
Make hay while the sun shines and ignore the miseryguts!
Anyone just see the Channel Ten news story on "worries about pilot experience in low cost airlines"?
Referred to Colgan and also Jetstar for hiring Cadets. Also had Nick Xenophon talking on the subject with his support at raising the experience requirements for FO's. At least someone in parliament is on our side.
Keep the wheels rolling.
Referred to Colgan and also Jetstar for hiring Cadets. Also had Nick Xenophon talking on the subject with his support at raising the experience requirements for FO's. At least someone in parliament is on our side.
Keep the wheels rolling.
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A. Le Rhone, as of yesterday, Tiger in Australia was not employing DEC's. That may have changed overnight, but I was talking with a mate there yesterday and it definitely wasn't true then.
Jetstar?? That's what this thread is about, Jetstar employing DEC's and the displeasure of the incumbents at that prospect. No secret there.
It's all very well to have politicians on your side, but will it translate into $$ ? That's the question.
I'm glad you've prospered since '89. So have I, but it doesn't stop me having a realistic view of the world, and realistic is that the management would have pilots earning less than base grade clerk if they could swing it. There are plenty still full of hatred at the lack of unity and being sold out by a few back then. You see, less than total unity is no unity at all, and total unity is an unachievable goal. We are no more than animals, sophisticated animals for sure, but survival of the fittest comes into the equation.
Let me know when you start making hay. I'd be interested.
Aussie, 1500 hours on single engined aircraft, particularly instructing, will qualify an FO no better than a cadet who graduates with 200 hours, multi and instrument rating, plus quite a lot of time, no doubt, on a jet simulator.
We are way off topic though ALR, and it's only a matter of time before a mod steps in and puts a stop to it. I suggest we desist and let those who are on topic post. What do you think?
Jetstar?? That's what this thread is about, Jetstar employing DEC's and the displeasure of the incumbents at that prospect. No secret there.
It's all very well to have politicians on your side, but will it translate into $$ ? That's the question.
I'm glad you've prospered since '89. So have I, but it doesn't stop me having a realistic view of the world, and realistic is that the management would have pilots earning less than base grade clerk if they could swing it. There are plenty still full of hatred at the lack of unity and being sold out by a few back then. You see, less than total unity is no unity at all, and total unity is an unachievable goal. We are no more than animals, sophisticated animals for sure, but survival of the fittest comes into the equation.
Let me know when you start making hay. I'd be interested.
Aussie, 1500 hours on single engined aircraft, particularly instructing, will qualify an FO no better than a cadet who graduates with 200 hours, multi and instrument rating, plus quite a lot of time, no doubt, on a jet simulator.
We are way off topic though ALR, and it's only a matter of time before a mod steps in and puts a stop to it. I suggest we desist and let those who are on topic post. What do you think?
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Trust Tinbinbilla to put a stop to the testosterone relief !!
But to kick things back on track,
This is a pretty accurate post. I heard basically the same information last night from within The Village.
Cheerio
But to kick things back on track,
I don't see much difference in the current call for an Expression of Interest in the A330 operation except to say that it will be crewed exclusively by VB pilots.
If there is insufficient interest by current and suitably qualified VB pilots then direct entry pilots will be employed by VB.
I have been told that at this stage possibly only 3 direct entry positions may be on the cards.
If there is insufficient interest by current and suitably qualified VB pilots then direct entry pilots will be employed by VB.
I have been told that at this stage possibly only 3 direct entry positions may be on the cards.
Cheerio
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I deleted my post, not because it was libellous, slanderous or defamatory, but because it was off topic and I don't want to be responsible for the thread being closed.
It's sufficient to say that forces greater than two pilots were responsible for 'devaluing the market' as suggested by diablo a couple of posts back.
It's sufficient to say that forces greater than two pilots were responsible for 'devaluing the market' as suggested by diablo a couple of posts back.
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Red Jet, I don't want the thread to disappear so I'll delete my post, but those are facts, no indemnity insurance required. The two pilots who visited with me would stand by that.
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Im not going to get into your comment, as its off topic and i dont want to close the thread, but you got to be kidding me, comparing a 1500hr pilot (even if it is instructing on singles, which i believe is good time in itself) to a fresh 200hr pilot with jet sim time... HRS means real exp in the hot seat, seen it in action, and there is a significant Difference. 
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