Getting in and out of Queenstown
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Getting in and out of Queenstown
Does anyone know why Air NZ is the only airline that can get in and out of Queenstown when VMC is below average??? I know it's nestled snuggly in between a few mountains but why Air NZ and not the other players???
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I'm not sure what the minimas are in NZ but I was recently there and have been there in the past and I have been diverted when travelling on Pac Bro and I have actually seen Air NZ get in from the top of Coronet when the whole valley has been full of cloud and seen the others sent south.
Just bizarre, would like to know what the deal is
Just bizarre, would like to know what the deal is
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AirNZ have half the 737 fleet and all A320's fitted with RNP Navigation equipment that allows them to operate to minima's well below non-RNP aircraft.
Air NZ's current RNP is 0.11 (req nav performance within 0.11Nm of track)
Jetstar are currently doing "proving" flights to get their RNP qualification. I believe they have an interim approval to RNP 0.3 which still only allows them to the same minima as the VOR/DME approaches. Proving flights incl as much as 300+ approaches in weather better or equal to the VOR/DME minima.
PacBlu's B738's are RNP capable but they are not attempting RNP approval with CAA so they'll be restricted to the VOR/DME minima.
So in answer to your question, AirNZ is the only player because they're the only ones to have completed RNP certification.
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Air NZ's current RNP is 0.11 (req nav performance within 0.11Nm of track)
Jetstar are currently doing "proving" flights to get their RNP qualification. I believe they have an interim approval to RNP 0.3 which still only allows them to the same minima as the VOR/DME approaches. Proving flights incl as much as 300+ approaches in weather better or equal to the VOR/DME minima.
PacBlu's B738's are RNP capable but they are not attempting RNP approval with CAA so they'll be restricted to the VOR/DME minima.
So in answer to your question, AirNZ is the only player because they're the only ones to have completed RNP certification.
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So in answer to your question, AirNZ is the only player because they're the only ones to have completed RNP certification.
Wrong. QF's VX series 737-800's have had RNP capability into Queenstown for years.
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Air NZ fly a taylor made curved Naverus RNP-AR app, approved by NZCAA and requiring specific crew training and aircraft approval to minimas (now) of approx 200+ agl.
Other operators are still (for the meantime) using the old cloud break procedure to minimas of around 3000 agl, although they may still be in the proving process of their own RNP-AR using higher minimas for the interim.
Other operators are still (for the meantime) using the old cloud break procedure to minimas of around 3000 agl, although they may still be in the proving process of their own RNP-AR using higher minimas for the interim.
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What a load of BS. Qantas pioneered the Queenstown RNP approaches years ago, and still fly them today. Every one of their B737-800s is RNP capable. They also fly RNP approaches into most of their Australian destinations. Canberra RWY 17 is another good one with an RNP minima far lower than the VOR approach.
What a load of BS. Qantas pioneered the Queenstown RNP approaches years ago, and still fly them today.
Both QF and NZ are behind Alaskan and Westjet who were the first to use the full aircraft capability in the North America
Since then QF has really accelerated the RNP program and are way ahead of NZ with the Boeing B738 and the number of RNP operations, while NZ concentrated on the A320 approvals and getting Airbus into the program.
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Queenstown
What a glorious location for a few days away from it all.
In the past we used to take the Falcon 10 and 20 into Queenstown, staying at a place that overlooked the lake and the mountain.
A number one spot!
Tmb
In the past we used to take the Falcon 10 and 20 into Queenstown, staying at a place that overlooked the lake and the mountain.
A number one spot!
Tmb
NZ B737 CL RNP 0.11
NZ A320 RNP 0.11
QF B737 NG RNP 0.11
JQ A320 RNP 0.30
QF and NZ have been approved since 2006/07 for 0.30 at ZQN
QF had 0.11 since 2008, NZ 2010
JQ in phase 3, RNP 0.30 data collection expect lower very soon.
NZ A320 RNP 0.11
QF B737 NG RNP 0.11
JQ A320 RNP 0.30
QF and NZ have been approved since 2006/07 for 0.30 at ZQN
QF had 0.11 since 2008, NZ 2010
JQ in phase 3, RNP 0.30 data collection expect lower very soon.
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on a similar maatter , I noticed that ANZ177 i think, NZAA to YBCS diverted to YBTL today. The CS ILS 15 is being replaced so navbl.SCT500 vis 4000m RA. Can ANZ do RNP approaches into CS?
Thanks .. so QF are down to around 200 agl as well..?
As it is a CAA approval required I would guess that the QF (with VH tails) are similar?
Can ANZ do RNP approaches into CS?
They can't do the RNAV-Z approach because that is limited to Cat A & B. There is a new RNAV-Z coming shortly which will include C & D.