Jetconnect Case / Jetstar Ramifications
Framer:
I was referring to the need for airlines to keep the right people in the job, to do so there needs to be positive staff engagement / appropriately attractive pay and conditions (moving jobs offshore decreases both of these). I'm not referring to the superiority of one nations crew over another.
I am slightly concerned that this was the assertion you jumped to though.
By the way, I am not against off-shoring as such, I am however against undermining established pay and conditions by offshoring or setting up an overseas entity to 'compete' with the main entity for work. I happen to hold JC crew in a very high regard.
I am slightly concerned that this was the assertion you jumped to though.
By the way, I am not against off-shoring as such, I am however against undermining established pay and conditions by offshoring or setting up an overseas entity to 'compete' with the main entity for work. I happen to hold JC crew in a very high regard.
Fair call. My mistake for reading it with a certain frame of mind, I was thinking of only JC and not of the bigger picture where terms and conditions may erode to an unacceptable level. I see what you're saying. Apologies.
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As regards the 'bigger picture' and 'eroding terms and conditions'.
J* NZ and now J* Singapore now offer the highly trained crew the COMPLETE FULLY ERODED PACKAGE.
The bigger picture, fortunately, is that as Emirates and the like pump up their recruiting, those on the peanuts pay scales will leave in droves.
So, you can see it now - shiney new aircraft (787's and the like) parked up against the fence, with no experienced crew numbers, and only the new cadets left to fly them (lets not even think about the consequences).
Pity management don't pursue real "engagement" with their crews and look past the very short term savings !
J* NZ and now J* Singapore now offer the highly trained crew the COMPLETE FULLY ERODED PACKAGE.
The bigger picture, fortunately, is that as Emirates and the like pump up their recruiting, those on the peanuts pay scales will leave in droves.
So, you can see it now - shiney new aircraft (787's and the like) parked up against the fence, with no experienced crew numbers, and only the new cadets left to fly them (lets not even think about the consequences).
Pity management don't pursue real "engagement" with their crews and look past the very short term savings !
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Qantas’ successful prosecution of its two brand strategy is unique, but not universally loved by investors.
It can be divided and conquered, but not by industrial tactics.
Yep! Qantas international will ultimately cover off the main ports, ‘JetStar Global’ the rest and nothing on the radar is likely to change what is already afoot.
Taking Ownership can, but don’t think there will be the stomach for it unless the unengaged silent majority unexpectedly come to the conclusion that the alternatives of lumping it, or declaring industrial war are both too costly.
A bold new vision is required, but even if it emerges, it won’t go far unless AIPA & AFAP can get together under one umbrella.
Good luck! Trust my pessimism doesn’t prevail.
It can be divided and conquered, but not by industrial tactics.
Yep! Qantas international will ultimately cover off the main ports, ‘JetStar Global’ the rest and nothing on the radar is likely to change what is already afoot.
Taking Ownership can, but don’t think there will be the stomach for it unless the unengaged silent majority unexpectedly come to the conclusion that the alternatives of lumping it, or declaring industrial war are both too costly.
A bold new vision is required, but even if it emerges, it won’t go far unless AIPA & AFAP can get together under one umbrella.
Good luck! Trust my pessimism doesn’t prevail.
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I think you have to look at it through management eyes.
Pay pilots less in NZ/Singa (no EBA, no union opposition, EASY!) - save money.
More pilots leave (than in OZ) - hire more - New Pilots pay for rating - NO COST to company !
Easy stuff this management
I think you have to look at it through management eyes.
Pay pilots less in NZ/Singa (no EBA, no union opposition, EASY!) - save money.
More pilots leave (than in OZ) - hire more - New Pilots pay for rating - NO COST to company !
Easy stuff this management
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Unfortunately the Chief Pilot of JQ has forgotten the he is a pilot and that his support of the current proposal will scar this industry forever.However it doesnt supprise me because there was bugger all support when AN went bust.
