YBBN RWY14/32 Closure
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YBBN RWY14/32 Closure
Does somebody know what is really going on here?
RWY 14/32 has been NOTAM closed between 0000-0600 UTC each weekday for works, causing significant network delays for us.
Not being able to get a useful response from Airservices (National Operations Centre) I have been told through other sources that the works that are being done on 14/32 are the same as those being done on 01/19 at night, ie, VASI replacement.
Why on earth can the 14/32 works not be done at night also?
Why are the users copping the extra cost of this in Network delays and aircraft holding when it could be done at night the same time as 01/19?
Anyone in the know?
NOTAM refers:
RWY 14/32 AND ALL TAXIWAYS LEADING TO RWY 14/32 NOT AVBL DUE WIP
RWY 01/19 AVBL.
RWY 14/32 AVBL FOR DECLARED EMERG WITH 30MIN PN.
REF MOWP YBBN 2010/03 STAGE 1.
FROM 07 190001 TO 08 200600 EST
MON TO FRI 0001 - 0600
RWY 14/32 has been NOTAM closed between 0000-0600 UTC each weekday for works, causing significant network delays for us.
Not being able to get a useful response from Airservices (National Operations Centre) I have been told through other sources that the works that are being done on 14/32 are the same as those being done on 01/19 at night, ie, VASI replacement.
Why on earth can the 14/32 works not be done at night also?
Why are the users copping the extra cost of this in Network delays and aircraft holding when it could be done at night the same time as 01/19?
Anyone in the know?
NOTAM refers:
RWY 14/32 AND ALL TAXIWAYS LEADING TO RWY 14/32 NOT AVBL DUE WIP
RWY 01/19 AVBL.
RWY 14/32 AVBL FOR DECLARED EMERG WITH 30MIN PN.
REF MOWP YBBN 2010/03 STAGE 1.
FROM 07 190001 TO 08 200600 EST
MON TO FRI 0001 - 0600
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Not being able to get a useful response from Airservices (National Operations Centre)
Why would they spend the money replacing the VASIS when Rwy 14/32 will be permanently closed (& become a taxiway) when the new parallel runway (01L/19R) becomes operational in 2015? Has this new runway been postponed?
Actually you would probably get the best answer if you asked whoever it is that operates Brisbane airport. Though the tower could likely give you the answer also.
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Might as well get used to it! I had a read the Master Plan a while back, and from memory - the cross runway will remain permanently closed for 18-24 months, during construction of the parallel runway. It's gonna get worse, before it gets better
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The answer is that BAC asked Airservices if it would be possible to do the 14/32 PAPI installation during daylight hours. This is to save dollars as it is cheaper to have workman during business hours rather than the overtime that has to be paid at night.
Funnily enough, some genius previously from the NOC and now in Bris Vegas says yes, having looked at all his computer programmes that goes "bing", and determines there will be minimum delays.
Then what do you know, but delays are now happening, up to 20 minutes this week, and no one saw it coming.
As an aside, 600+ movements a day are becoming the norm at Brisbane.
The good news is that they are way ahead of schedule, the bad news is that it will still be a few more weeks.
Also, 14/32 will be closed for 12-18 months when construction eventually starts on the parallel, but after that willl be back in service.
Funnily enough, some genius previously from the NOC and now in Bris Vegas says yes, having looked at all his computer programmes that goes "bing", and determines there will be minimum delays.
Then what do you know, but delays are now happening, up to 20 minutes this week, and no one saw it coming.
As an aside, 600+ movements a day are becoming the norm at Brisbane.
The good news is that they are way ahead of schedule, the bad news is that it will still be a few more weeks.
Also, 14/32 will be closed for 12-18 months when construction eventually starts on the parallel, but after that willl be back in service.
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YBBN 14/32 Closure
You really need to talk to the airport owner. BN Tower and ASA are not the authority here. ATC is told what, when, why and how and go from there. Talk to the owner.
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Blind Freddy's on the money.
14/32 is back on the agenda as a permanent runway, even once 01L/19R is in operation. The VASIS are beyond repair and need replacement now. Doing the work at night would add extra costs from the contractor.
14/32 is back on the agenda as a permanent runway, even once 01L/19R is in operation. The VASIS are beyond repair and need replacement now. Doing the work at night would add extra costs from the contractor.
Why on earth can the 14/32 works not be done at night also?
After the fog on Friday they seemed to swing into action re-opening 14/32 for turboprop use, so the system would seem to have some flexibility.
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The contractor has to be there at night anyway for the main runway.
the works that are being done on 14/32 are the same as those being done on 01/19 at night, ie, VASI replacement.
They won't begin night works on the main runway PAPIs until 14/32 is finished. Basically there's only one set of guys; when they finish 14/32 they'll swing to night works for the main runway.
01/19 cannot feasibly be closed except between midnight and 5am local, but 14/32 can be closed for day works, or so the studies said. I would think that with most civil construction projects (not just aviation), night works are a last resort option due to costs and safety.
There are also other works occuring periodically on the main runway at night that are not PAPI related.
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Why on earth can the 14/32 works not be done at night also?
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couldn't be a greater difference between two cities...
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The reason CROPS is no longer available is due to a Hazard Identification workshop created due to an incident a few months ago. A cirrus had a rejected landing ( after the third bounce!) and nearly took out a QF 737.
P-Dubby is correct with the limitations he mentioned.
The 5 kts down wind however remains; mitigated by the 5 mil;e fianl requirement.
The reason that CROPS has been suspended at night is that there is no way for the controller to issue avoidance heading at night below the MVA.
I have heard that the evening sequence is now lasting a little longer....
P-Dubby is correct with the limitations he mentioned.
The 5 kts down wind however remains; mitigated by the 5 mil;e fianl requirement.
The reason that CROPS has been suspended at night is that there is no way for the controller to issue avoidance heading at night below the MVA.
I have heard that the evening sequence is now lasting a little longer....