Dick Smith's letter to the PM re Tasmania.
Jeeeezuzzzz Leadie! What do you think happens day in day out in class G? How do you avoid hitting each other now climbing/descending in IMC prey tell? Seems to happen successfully hundreds of times every week.
Or is this one of those not so vanishingly small things? Hmmm, a Tobago nearly cleaning up a 737 isn't a problem but this is?
Or is this one of those not so vanishingly small things? Hmmm, a Tobago nearly cleaning up a 737 isn't a problem but this is?
Plumbum???? Go and look here Do you understand "Published" now?
Where on this plate does it depict a holding procedure on the outbound leg of the missed procedure.
Reading the report, both pilots were in contact with each other, the DJ pilot allowed some distance before he started into the hold...they got 0.2nm too close for the alarm on the console in ML. TCAS did not go off nor as demonstrated by senior pilots for the media, would it ever go off.
Yet, someone decides there is an issue of grave danger on the airways. Why was this report sat on? It was made mention of in the Launceston study months ago yet someone decides right now, after an election is called, in a very marginal bellweather seat, to throw mud....who actually "Sat" on the report?
Where on this plate does it depict a holding procedure on the outbound leg of the missed procedure.
Reading the report, both pilots were in contact with each other, the DJ pilot allowed some distance before he started into the hold...they got 0.2nm too close for the alarm on the console in ML. TCAS did not go off nor as demonstrated by senior pilots for the media, would it ever go off.
Yet, someone decides there is an issue of grave danger on the airways. Why was this report sat on? It was made mention of in the Launceston study months ago yet someone decides right now, after an election is called, in a very marginal bellweather seat, to throw mud....who actually "Sat" on the report?
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4 small points please if I may.
1. I feel the VOZ crew should have climbed to 4,100 as that would give the JStar plane room to climb to 3,100 and this whole item wouldn't be happening. BUT I don't know, I wasn't there, so I can really only guess what was going on. I am not making any judgement or accusation.
2. Even though the controller in Melbourne could see all this, nothing could be done as the planes were on the separate frequency, 118.7. There's another issue....
3. Even though radar has been pulled out of TAS we still have WAM with coverage down to the ground both at HB and LT so surviellance is not an issue at either airport.
4. 24 hour tower coverage is NOT required. Rabbits really are the major traffic after about midnight except for the occasional PA31 or QF 737 freighter.
Let's be sensible.
A short term quick fix, and maybe long term, would be for ASA to get their act together, provide the staffing and go back to the proper hours of coverage, provide a service 
to allow for !!customer!! aircraft to depart/arrive with tower services........ like it used to be 10, 15, 20 years ago. 
It's not that hard guys!!!!!! Really......
1. I feel the VOZ crew should have climbed to 4,100 as that would give the JStar plane room to climb to 3,100 and this whole item wouldn't be happening. BUT I don't know, I wasn't there, so I can really only guess what was going on. I am not making any judgement or accusation.
2. Even though the controller in Melbourne could see all this, nothing could be done as the planes were on the separate frequency, 118.7. There's another issue....
3. Even though radar has been pulled out of TAS we still have WAM with coverage down to the ground both at HB and LT so surviellance is not an issue at either airport.
4. 24 hour tower coverage is NOT required. Rabbits really are the major traffic after about midnight except for the occasional PA31 or QF 737 freighter.
Let's be sensible.
A short term quick fix, and maybe long term, would be for ASA to get their act together, provide the staffing and go back to the proper hours of coverage, provide a service to allow for !!customer!! aircraft to depart/arrive with tower services........ like it used to be 10, 15, 20 years ago. It's not that hard guys!!!!!! Really......
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Air traffic control plan criticised - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
... hmmm, so DPO travellers should be included eh .. what about WYY???
... or don't they deserve this so called 'necessary' ATC surveillance service? .... or are they left out because surveillance does not extend to the west far enough
.. are you calling for surveillance to be extended to cover paying passengers at WYY too?
How about YSDU and all the other RPT airports without ATC?
More hypocrisy
Aviator and former head of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority, Dick Smith, has called for Devonport airport to be included in the authority's recommendations.
... or don't they deserve this so called 'necessary' ATC surveillance service? .... or are they left out because surveillance does not extend to the west far enough
.. are you calling for surveillance to be extended to cover paying passengers at WYY too?
How about YSDU and all the other RPT airports without ATC?
More hypocrisy
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I'm a bit over it too, now the debate has descended into nothing more than the usual name calling.
Amazing how we can hold some excellent, professional debates on PPRuNe, however when the usual suspects join in with the wealth of their day VFR flying experience, the tone of the debate heads south very rapidly.
Amazing how we can hold some excellent, professional debates on PPRuNe, however when the usual suspects join in with the wealth of their day VFR flying experience, the tone of the debate heads south very rapidly.
