Jetstar Hiring.... Cadets?!?!
Airline Transport Pilots Licence
On attaining their Airline Transport Pilots licence, the recipient will then be able to continue occupying the right hand seat. Now fully qualified & with appropriate licencing
On attaining their Airline Transport Pilots licence, the recipient will then be able to continue occupying the right hand seat. Now fully qualified & with appropriate licencing
I haven't got one, never had one and never plan to get one. I have been in command on multi-crew RPT operations in Australia as well as in the right hand seat of a jet airliner.
Excellent post breakfastburrito. I do recall reading it previously, and then as now, I found astounding the level of arrogance from this particular Bean-Counter. He does acknowledge the illogical desperation of the naive wannabees are driving (and perhaps always have) the race to the bottom. Ironically, if the potential recipients of these corporate "rodgerings" actually followed his advice , and chose a different career, then his carefully laid plans for the future (or lack thereof) of the profession would come to naught!
It's all fairly academic though isn't it, because there will always be people like nt.pilot.
It's all fairly academic though isn't it, because there will always be people like nt.pilot.
Whilst I agree that this program is rubbish, and will place downward force on T's and C's, I think it is a little bit unfair to place the blame on anyone who accepts this deal. After all, who was that started the trend of accepting ridiculously low salaries in GA, in order to get those hours to get a jet job? The old buggers who these days are flying around in the left seat next to the 'wannabe's'. Perhaps if these guys had 'taken a stand' back then, as they are so quick to tell guys these days to do, people who work in GA wouldnt accept such poor conditions, and the airlines wouldn't be able to put downward pressure on the conditions they supply....
I know what you mean , but why do you want to leave aviation? It would be hard/depressing to go from doing something like flying to sitting in an office all day....
but my understanding of the Jetstar EBA is that you would be paid as a Junior FO, ie around 55K, until you have a full, unfrozen ATPL with the required aeronautical experience.
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JC,
In the context of my post, J* are using the trigger of attaining an ATPL to then pay the award conditions.
Prior to attaining the licence, one is considered a junior FO & paid less.
My post simply highlighted the fact, that there is no change to job description or duties only hours attained in the right hand seat as justification to paying less.
In essence a "B" for new FO's with less experience.
In the context of my post, J* are using the trigger of attaining an ATPL to then pay the award conditions.
Prior to attaining the licence, one is considered a junior FO & paid less.
My post simply highlighted the fact, that there is no change to job description or duties only hours attained in the right hand seat as justification to paying less.
In essence a "B" for new FO's with less experience.
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Does an EBA supersed the Award?
I thought the award was quite clear on minimum salary requirements for FO's and makes no distinction for junior/senior, or wether the employee holds an ATPL or not. How then can Jetstar justify paying less than the award?
I thought the award was quite clear on minimum salary requirements for FO's and makes no distinction for junior/senior, or wether the employee holds an ATPL or not. How then can Jetstar justify paying less than the award?
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There will be a simple loophole pertaining to experience.
For anyone wondering how you could leave such an exciting and amazing job... READ HERE Anybody who has left this career and done something different?
There are plenty of people who have given up. And even more wannabes who started then realised it wasn't for them.
For anyone wondering how you could leave such an exciting and amazing job... READ HERE Anybody who has left this career and done something different?
There are plenty of people who have given up. And even more wannabes who started then realised it wasn't for them.
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I've read through this entire thread, and I must say I can definitely see where everyone is coming from.
What I don't understand is why people are trying to talk someone out of signing up... a bit futile don't you think?
If person X heeds your advice and doesn't "sign away his life"/ruin the profession etc, person Y is just going to do it anyway.
In my case, (no I haven't applied), I have a degree in an unrelated field I can fall back on, and am recently out of the Army, so if all falls to **** I can be back on full time service within a few months. As for the cost.. meh, it's only money!
All I'm trying to say is, why shouldn't I submit a registration form? If I dont, someone else is going to anyway - surely everyone here realises that this is the case.
This is all purely hypothetical, I currently work in the aviation industry and am very interested in this whole 'issue'. I'm not seriously considering applying.
Cheers guys.
What I don't understand is why people are trying to talk someone out of signing up... a bit futile don't you think?
If person X heeds your advice and doesn't "sign away his life"/ruin the profession etc, person Y is just going to do it anyway.
In my case, (no I haven't applied), I have a degree in an unrelated field I can fall back on, and am recently out of the Army, so if all falls to **** I can be back on full time service within a few months. As for the cost.. meh, it's only money!
All I'm trying to say is, why shouldn't I submit a registration form? If I dont, someone else is going to anyway - surely everyone here realises that this is the case.
This is all purely hypothetical, I currently work in the aviation industry and am very interested in this whole 'issue'. I'm not seriously considering applying.
Cheers guys.
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What the Phark is wrong with you people,
Why is every one so keen to spend more and be paid less??????????
Im sure you can raise a family and live a comfortable life paying for things with bubbles from that magic bubble blower of yours............
Why is every one so keen to spend more and be paid less??????????
As for the cost.. meh, it's only money!
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What I don't understand is why people are trying to talk someone out of signing up... a bit futile don't you think?
See where we are coming from?
You are right, someone will always take the bait, sadly many think they know better than those who have seen this industry's convulsions.
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"Im sure you can raise a family and live a comfortable life paying for things with bubbles from that magic bubble blower of yours............"
No need to be a smart arse, if you read my post you'd see I have no intention of applying.
Over the past few years however, I have thrown 10's of thousands of dollars into race bikes and associated eqpt - isnt it up to me what to do with my money? Whether that's chasing better times around Eastern Creek or paying for flight training and a shot at flying with an airline?
I'm honestly not trying to stir the pot intentionally, there are some things I just cannot understand here.
Breakfast burrito: Do you honestly see it as a scam? Honestly, do you think anyone outside of the industry sees it as a scam? I can see where you are coming from. But an opportunity is an opportunity. Some people are just going to pay for theirs. It's happened since the beginning of time - look at the great schools around the world.. Westpoint, Harvard etc etc.
Cheers Guys.
No need to be a smart arse, if you read my post you'd see I have no intention of applying.
Over the past few years however, I have thrown 10's of thousands of dollars into race bikes and associated eqpt - isnt it up to me what to do with my money? Whether that's chasing better times around Eastern Creek or paying for flight training and a shot at flying with an airline?
I'm honestly not trying to stir the pot intentionally, there are some things I just cannot understand here.
Breakfast burrito: Do you honestly see it as a scam? Honestly, do you think anyone outside of the industry sees it as a scam? I can see where you are coming from. But an opportunity is an opportunity. Some people are just going to pay for theirs. It's happened since the beginning of time - look at the great schools around the world.. Westpoint, Harvard etc etc.
Cheers Guys.
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Over the past few years however, I have thrown 10's of thousands of dollars into race bikes and associated eqpt - isnt it up to me what to do with my money? Whether that's chasing better times around Eastern Creek or paying for flight training and a shot at flying with an airline?
This scheme and others like it are a strategic and almost with out fail so far, a successful attack on T's & C's for every pilot in the industry.
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If you think the the bloke in the photo looks like a knob jockey and made you sick.. wait till you see Oxfords C90 at Moorabbin with the Jetstar logo on the tail. I'm not kidding either, just saw a photo of it 
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Do you honestly see it as a scam? Honestly, do you think anyone outside of the industry sees it as a scam? I can see where you are coming from. But an opportunity is an opportunity. Some people are just going to pay for theirs. It's happened since the beginning of time - look at the great schools around the world.. Westpoint, Harvard etc etc.
Second, yes it is a scam and yes people outside the industry do see it as a scam once the are shown the full picture. I've passed this thread onto a very prominent individual within employment reform in Australia and she was shocked and appalled by what is going on. Thankfully she is making those who, if anybody, could make a difference aware of the situation.
It will achieve nothing but it seems the more people I tell the more people who vow to boycott Jetstar.