Aircraft too low in SEQ??
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Aircraft too low in SEQ??
Any substance to this or is it another example of accurate aviation reporting by the media>>
Passenger planes dropped too low over Gold Coast: ATSB
Passenger planes dropped too low over Gold Coast: ATSB
But their airfares are really, really cheap! 
Or were they following an instrument approach procedure, either correctly or otherwise.
Think about it. ALL instrument approach procedures take you below the RVA by definition!
The ATSB website gives no information so we will have to wait and see.
Or do you guys who are already bagging them have more info?
Think about it. ALL instrument approach procedures take you below the RVA by definition!
The ATSB website gives no information so we will have to wait and see.
Or do you guys who are already bagging them have more info?
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In the truest spirit of the forum they should be bagged unmercifully without a shred of evidence but...
I thought that the decision made at decision height was the responsibility of the pilot in command. If it's a VIS or cloud base issue then again that can only be made from the cockpit. It's why ATC no longer have the right to close an aerodrome for approaches. It's a different matter if it involved busting a cleared level.
How about we break with tradition and wait for the evidence...
...before bagging the crew?
I thought that the decision made at decision height was the responsibility of the pilot in command. If it's a VIS or cloud base issue then again that can only be made from the cockpit. It's why ATC no longer have the right to close an aerodrome for approaches. It's a different matter if it involved busting a cleared level.
How about we break with tradition and wait for the evidence...
...before bagging the crew?
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D7 again hey....Clearly inexperience plays a major part here, half these D7 guys have next to no time on the A333 and it amazes me that there has not been many more accidents like this. I thought their big boss might have learnt a lesson or two after all the lack of experience and training that AirAsia crews had, which led to a few writeoffs, too many tailstrikes, crinkled frames and landings which were beyond ridiculous.
Hmm...Perhaps these guys will just get a warning rather than the previous lot who stuffed up and got fired
Hmm...Perhaps these guys will just get a warning rather than the previous lot who stuffed up and got fired
Two days in a row, obviously then different crew involved on each occasion. Opens up the possibility of incorrect documentation or a FMS database error, wrong altitude constraint given at a way point prehaps ?
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I can only find reference to one accident involving Air Asia, and that was a minor one in 2004, when one of their B737s ran off the runway at Kota Kinabalu and there were two minor injuries.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is 'D7?'
Forgive my ignorance, but what is 'D7?'
Air Asia have had a number of heavy landings, not sure exactly how many. Heard the last one registered 6G. This has resulted in extended periods in the hangar while the damage was sorted out.
When you pay as poorly as they do, and even sell right hand seat time, you must expect these little incidents to happen from time to time.
When you pay as poorly as they do, and even sell right hand seat time, you must expect these little incidents to happen from time to time.
D7 again hey....Clearly inexperience plays a major part here
AirAsia crews had, which led to a few writeoffs, too many tailstrikes, crinkled frames and landings which were beyond ridiculous.
Air Asia have had a number of heavy landings, not sure exactly how many. Heard the last one registered 6G.
Enough of this xenophobic rubbish. Below RVA in VMC on ONE of the two occasions.
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I can only find reference to one accident involving Air Asia, and that was a minor one in 2004, when one of their B737s ran off the runway at Kota Kinabalu and there were two minor injuries.
There has been many numerous other tailstrikes/hard landings of which most are only heard around the pilot body, not everything makes the news in Malaysia as what is reported down here about Qantas.
Hey, if you dont believe me, PM me your email and I will show you...
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Until the real facts come out, we are wrong to start laying blame - personally I don't believe descending below LSA in IMC is all that smart, if that is what actually happened.
MORE IMPORTANTLY, AN AIRPORT WITH THE NUMBER OF LARGE AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS THAT THE GOLD COAST HAS, NOT BEING EQUIPPED WITH A PRECISION APPROACH WOULD BE LAUGHABLE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD. (Make that the civilized world)
MORE IMPORTANTLY, AN AIRPORT WITH THE NUMBER OF LARGE AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS THAT THE GOLD COAST HAS, NOT BEING EQUIPPED WITH A PRECISION APPROACH WOULD BE LAUGHABLE ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD. (Make that the civilized world)
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An A330 crashed killing all on board while on approach to Tripoli, Libya a few hours ago.
Not sure what caused this one, but maybe a Airbus software problem related to the Air Asia incidents.
It's not easy to to prang an airplane at TIP in fine weather.
Maybe the A330 screwed up.
Not sure what caused this one, but maybe a Airbus software problem related to the Air Asia incidents.
It's not easy to to prang an airplane at TIP in fine weather.
Maybe the A330 screwed up.
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As I said on the R&N forum, the prelim report is poorly written.
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During an approach in Instrument Meteorological Conditions (IMC), the aircraft went below the radar lowest safe altitude.
So what? Isn't that the point of an instrument approach?
Or do they mean the aircraft busted it's assigned altitude while under radar vectors?
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During an approach in Instrument Meteorological Conditions (IMC), the aircraft went below the radar lowest safe altitude.
So what? Isn't that the point of an instrument approach?
Or do they mean the aircraft busted it's assigned altitude while under radar vectors?
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Does not matter the type or software. Monitoring and situational awareness is the priority on approach (and at all stages).
Computers do a nice job if you tell them the right things.
Waiting for the report.
Computers do a nice job if you tell them the right things.
Waiting for the report.
Well, I can provide a first hand account of Air Asia operations.
I very recently, did 6 sectors with them within Asia. My observations:
Cabin Crew ... mostly spot on. More observant and more thorough than a lot of QF flights I've been on.
Piloting ... just observations, without comment ...
I very recently, did 6 sectors with them within Asia. My observations:
Cabin Crew ... mostly spot on. More observant and more thorough than a lot of QF flights I've been on.
Piloting ... just observations, without comment ...
- on no sector was reverse thrust ( that I could see or detect) used on landing ....
- based on engine noise and experience elsewhere, reduced thrust used on all takeoffs
- One "hard landing" ... for which the Captain apologised