Mutiny on the QF12 ????
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Mutiny on the QF12 ????
Rumours around QCC1 very recently suggest that a series of unprecedented events occurred on the above mentioned flight ex LAX pertaining to cabin crew flight duty limitations.
As outlandish as the rumours suggest it seems that due to an aircraft delay some of the anointed ones [A380 cabin crew] have chosen to actively and repeatedly place concerns relating to their flight duty limitations above and beyond the safe/effective operation of the aircraft.
Those in the industry and knowing of such things might be interested in the following terms as they relate to these, "rumoured events".
1. Sterile flight deck.
2. Gross insubordination.
3. Challenge to the Captain's authority.
4. Mutiny.
5. Diversion.
4. Brisbane.
5. Chief Pilot.
6. Safety meeting.
7. Cabin crew management and the direct results of their ideologically driven stupidity
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Please discuss...........
As outlandish as the rumours suggest it seems that due to an aircraft delay some of the anointed ones [A380 cabin crew] have chosen to actively and repeatedly place concerns relating to their flight duty limitations above and beyond the safe/effective operation of the aircraft.
Those in the industry and knowing of such things might be interested in the following terms as they relate to these, "rumoured events".
1. Sterile flight deck.
2. Gross insubordination.
3. Challenge to the Captain's authority.
4. Mutiny.
5. Diversion.
4. Brisbane.
5. Chief Pilot.
6. Safety meeting.
7. Cabin crew management and the direct results of their ideologically driven stupidity
.Please discuss...........
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Come on ditch - throw us a bone.......more info required.
How bout dates....
How can this affect the sterile cockpit? Demanding to talk to captain on climb or descent?
Forcing him to divert?
How bout dates....
How can this affect the sterile cockpit? Demanding to talk to captain on climb or descent?
Forcing him to divert?
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A few days ago I think.
A call to the flight deck when on the active runway.
Continued harassment from individuals en-route necessitating a call to the Chief Pilot.
A cultural vacuum masquerading as a working environment created specifically by QF cabin crew management that is bereft of respect, maturity, industry knowledge and Qantas/airline culture who's individuals have been brain washed into believing that they walk on water.
New inductees onto the, "ship of fools" are told with religious zealotry on day one of their conversion training from shorthaul that, "this is the best day of your lives".
Those responsible for creating the culture and environment where this sort of lunacy occurs ought to hang there heads in shame. Of course they will never be held to account. No one in cabin crew management ever is.
All the garbage is just swept under the carpet so CC management can continue to wander around repeating to each other the mantra, "It's all, so, EXCEPTIONAL".
The culture of this airline really is going to sh!t.
A call to the flight deck when on the active runway.
Continued harassment from individuals en-route necessitating a call to the Chief Pilot.
A cultural vacuum masquerading as a working environment created specifically by QF cabin crew management that is bereft of respect, maturity, industry knowledge and Qantas/airline culture who's individuals have been brain washed into believing that they walk on water.
New inductees onto the, "ship of fools" are told with religious zealotry on day one of their conversion training from shorthaul that, "this is the best day of your lives".
Those responsible for creating the culture and environment where this sort of lunacy occurs ought to hang there heads in shame. Of course they will never be held to account. No one in cabin crew management ever is.
All the garbage is just swept under the carpet so CC management can continue to wander around repeating to each other the mantra, "It's all, so, EXCEPTIONAL".
The culture of this airline really is going to sh!t.
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mutiny: Open rebellion against constituted authority, especially rebellion of sailors against superior officers.
Would someone care to inform the rest of us what this thread is all about?
Is it a bit more Qantas internal politics being masqueraded as front page news?
Would someone care to inform the rest of us what this thread is all about?
Is it a bit more Qantas internal politics being masqueraded as front page news?
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It was a sad day when I was informed on my command course that they had removed the right of the Captain to have people flogged! I mean what other point was there to being a Captain?
You couldn't even flog people who wanted to be!
Very sad and a retrograde step!
"This is mutiny Mr Christian...MUTINY!" Ahhh Trevor Howard... the model Captain.
You couldn't even flog people who wanted to be!
Very sad and a retrograde step!
"This is mutiny Mr Christian...MUTINY!" Ahhh Trevor Howard... the model Captain.
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It's hard to figure out what happened based on your lack of information but tell me if I've got this right:
-flight was delayed
-cabin crew were going to exceed their duty day limitations
-cabin crew didn't want to do this and told captain
-captain overruled them and continued flight?
Is that correct?
If so I'd say the captain should be taken out back and shot. There are limits for a reason. It would be hard for the cabin crew to properly perform their duties if they were asleep. Perhaps a lack of respect for the cabin crew and their responsibilities? I would hope that the captain would be professional enough not to continue a flight if he/she were fatigued.
-flight was delayed
-cabin crew were going to exceed their duty day limitations
-cabin crew didn't want to do this and told captain
-captain overruled them and continued flight?
Is that correct?
If so I'd say the captain should be taken out back and shot. There are limits for a reason. It would be hard for the cabin crew to properly perform their duties if they were asleep. Perhaps a lack of respect for the cabin crew and their responsibilities? I would hope that the captain would be professional enough not to continue a flight if he/she were fatigued.
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If the cabin crew were going to exceed their duty limits then the Tech crew would have as well; so I doubt that was the case. It's probably more something to do with contractual limits and the right to extend. Someone in CC would have to give some details here...17 hours springs to mine with a vote to extend. But that may be mainline crew instead of the A380 crews.
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May I politely suggest that a call to the flight deck WHILST ON THE ACTIVE RUNWAY directly contravenes Qantas FAM rules. This is called the "No Contact" period. Flight Attendants ARE aware that they arent to call the flight deck under ANY circumstances, let alone for an issue like this, that should have been sorted at the gate.
Suggesting the Captain should be shot is extremely poor form. Gomi? As you state, there are rules for a reason. But which are more important? Exceeding duty limitations, or in an extreme case, having 400 people die because the flight crew were distracted on an active runway dealing with whining cabin crew who decided that their query during a NO CONTACT period was more important!!
Now I have no idea what went on here, but from what has been stated thus far, the cabin crew member who called the flight deck at this time SHOULD at the very least be stood down pending an investigation.
Suggesting the Captain should be shot is extremely poor form. Gomi? As you state, there are rules for a reason. But which are more important? Exceeding duty limitations, or in an extreme case, having 400 people die because the flight crew were distracted on an active runway dealing with whining cabin crew who decided that their query during a NO CONTACT period was more important!!
Now I have no idea what went on here, but from what has been stated thus far, the cabin crew member who called the flight deck at this time SHOULD at the very least be stood down pending an investigation.
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Agreed that if the call was made while lining up for takeoff then that was completely inappropriate and the cc member in question should receive some recurrent training. That aside, a duty time limitation, whether legal or contractual, needs to be respected. The decision of the cc not to exceed it needs to be respected too.
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Would someone care to inform the rest of us what this thread is all about?
Discuss, but with no facts, only innuendo...?
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Thirteen posts and still no facts?
Hardly news, maybe rumour?
For a rumour to survive in here it must have some substantiating facts or credibility. I don't see either here.......
Hardly news, maybe rumour?
For a rumour to survive in here it must have some substantiating facts or credibility. I don't see either here.......
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The decision of the cc not to exceed it needs to be respected too.
Luckily,this sort of thing happens very rarely.Hour limitations are there for a purpose
Until the facts surface none of us know what happened or if anything happened.
To be fair Tail Wheel,if there are substantiating facts it is no longer a rumour.
As for credibility,how do you judge a rumour?
Captain fathom is right as the media seem to do very well with stories having no facts and even less credibility but they run for a long time
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Cabin crew duty limitations for a single sector can be planned up to 18 hours, in unplanned circumstances such as delays or diversions, this can be extended to a maximum of 20 hours.
It is part of the contract and there is no vote. There are also no facts that this took place.
Cabin crew duty limitations for a single sector can be planned up to 18 hours, in unplanned circumstances such as delays or diversions, this can be extended to a maximum of 20 hours.
It is part of the contract and there is no vote. There are also no facts that this took place.