NAS rears its head again
It also provides a handy precedence ... the Minister's "Airspace Policy Statement 2010" is obviously only an aspiration ... and doesn't necessarily detail a formal requirement.
It also provides a handy precedence ... the Minister's "Airspace Policy Statement 2010" is obviously only an aspiration ... and doesn't necessarily detail a formal requirement.
From the Policy Statement 2010 alluded to above, don`t ya love it;
21 These proposals will be to (a) change the classification or designation of airspace, (b) not change a classification or designation, but make other proposals to improve airspace arrangements, or (c) recommend a continuation of current airspace arrangements without any other proposals.
22 CASA will provide these proposals for public comment and, after considering these comments, then make a determination to be implemented as directed by CASA, by the relevant parties.
23 Following a decision to change the class of a volume of airspace (a determination), that change must be formalised as a legislative instrument, endorsed by the airspace delegate, and published on FRLI. After a change has been registered on the FRLI, it can then take effect on, or after, the day on which the determination is published in the AIP or when notified by a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM). Designations of Prohibited, Restricted and Danger Areas may be published in the AIP or notified by a NOTAM subject to the requirements of the Airspace Regulations 2007.
24 There may be times when urgent decisions are required to meet a safety imperative and it may not be practicable to comply with parts of this process.
21 These proposals will be to (a) change the classification or designation of airspace, (b) not change a classification or designation, but make other proposals to improve airspace arrangements, or (c) recommend a continuation of current airspace arrangements without any other proposals.
22 CASA will provide these proposals for public comment and, after considering these comments, then make a determination to be implemented as directed by CASA, by the relevant parties.
23 Following a decision to change the class of a volume of airspace (a determination), that change must be formalised as a legislative instrument, endorsed by the airspace delegate, and published on FRLI. After a change has been registered on the FRLI, it can then take effect on, or after, the day on which the determination is published in the AIP or when notified by a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM). Designations of Prohibited, Restricted and Danger Areas may be published in the AIP or notified by a NOTAM subject to the requirements of the Airspace Regulations 2007.
24 There may be times when urgent decisions are required to meet a safety imperative and it may not be practicable to comply with parts of this process.
I've heard that with respect to BRM & KA CASA OAR have specified that the lower limit of the initial CTA steps away from the zone will be levels AGL not the usual AMSL. Example: not 1500FT AMSL but 1200FT AGL.
Anyone confirm this??
Anyone confirm this??
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Jeez OS, what an ugly thought. I have absolutely no desire to witness a scene where you 'stand rooting.'
Jabs, as for this:
I'd add 'they get to do the go-round to do it again if they pick up the bug-smasha in the first place. If they don't the go-round could be academic.'
Jabs, as for this:
So when the cloud base is around 3500' and and one of Owen Stanleys mates wants to fly back to Werribee via Little River International from Barwon Heads (between A025 and A035), and Jetjerks A320 is flying the ILS.........
I guess they get to go around and do it again........
I guess they get to go around and do it again........
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Nail on Head
But add to that all the folk here who ....well just can not keep up with all the changes of BS. Its all right for us and the hand full of folk who go to the seminars and read the literature........but like all things in life we are in the minority. Anyone else thinking otherwise is in a very naive denial of reality.
Nail on Head
But add to that all the folk here who ....well just can not keep up with all the changes of BS. Its all right for us and the hand full of folk who go to the seminars and read the literature........but like all things in life we are in the minority. Anyone else thinking otherwise is in a very naive denial of reality.
Just got back from my club's briefing for the new changes...talked to the CFI about E+....best to treat entry like going into EN. Call AV TWR, wait for reply and then put in the "announcment". Courtesy implies that me will comply with what TWR asks for wrt IFR traffic. Exactly the opposite to what the zealots think how E is supposed to work.
Why would any sane person design airspace that potentially, allows a conflict with non reporting VFR and IFR RPT on an ILS....Even FAA D calls for the protection of approach procedures.
Why would any sane person design airspace that potentially, allows a conflict with non reporting VFR and IFR RPT on an ILS....Even FAA D calls for the protection of approach procedures.
Hauptmann Mitternacht
In relation to your query a few posts back - I am no expert, but anecdotally the 700/1200 AGL CTA base business may be related to a generic model for IFR CTA containment in relation to approaches/holding?
Lead, where are you - with your encyclopaedic knowledge of these matters?
In relation to your query a few posts back - I am no expert, but anecdotally the 700/1200 AGL CTA base business may be related to a generic model for IFR CTA containment in relation to approaches/holding?
Lead, where are you - with your encyclopaedic knowledge of these matters?
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Interesting question d.n.s
In this day and age, it would be safe to assume careful navigation of 'wedge' games/traps is well understood. No doubt lots of experienced minds are focused on the issues and options.
In the meantime
a naming convention [acronym] is needed for the unique Australian airspace system. Thoughts 
In this day and age, it would be safe to assume careful navigation of 'wedge' games/traps is well understood. No doubt lots of experienced minds are focused on the issues and options.
In the meantime
a naming convention [acronym] is needed for the unique Australian airspace system. Thoughts
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But RHS made a shot across the bows, did anyone else see the RNP-RNAV artical where Albanese was put on notice...
More arrivals per hour if you introduce RNP, really Dick? What about the 80 per hour cap? We all know SY can do better than 80 per hour now, without RNP, don't we???
More arrivals per hour if you introduce RNP, really Dick? What about the 80 per hour cap? We all know SY can do better than 80 per hour now, without RNP, don't we???
A suburban Rugby field
John Cleese:
Okay lads, we've decided on a few changes to the game
Smithers:
Yeah, what sir?
John Cleese:
Well, we think these rucks are a bit too dangerous, so we'll now " play the ball" when tackled
Witherington:
You mean, like those league wankers, Sir?
John Cleese:
Don''t be cheeky lad.
Also, those lineouts take too long, so we'll be having a scrum when the ball goes into touch
Bollocks:
Ah, Sir ... that is League
John Cleese:
Don't be impudent. It's still Union ... we're keeping 15 men on the field! And I don't want to hear anything more about it!
Whole Team:
Ahhhhh! ... Siiir!!!!
John Cleese:
Okay lads, we've decided on a few changes to the game
Smithers:
Yeah, what sir?
John Cleese:
Well, we think these rucks are a bit too dangerous, so we'll now " play the ball" when tackled
Witherington:
You mean, like those league wankers, Sir?
John Cleese:
Don''t be cheeky lad.
Also, those lineouts take too long, so we'll be having a scrum when the ball goes into touch
Bollocks:
Ah, Sir ... that is League
John Cleese:
Don't be impudent. It's still Union ... we're keeping 15 men on the field! And I don't want to hear anything more about it!
Whole Team:
Ahhhhh! ... Siiir!!!!
a naming convention [acronym] is needed for the unique Australian airspace system.
Γ= Whatever you want
Σ= Whatever you want
Φ= Whatever you want
ζ= Whatever you want
λ= Whatever you want
As we're approaching the 20th Anniversary of the Alphabet Airspace regime, and as we are now also about to celebrate the launch of Class E with Fries, it might be timely to put forward an Alternate proposal ....
Actually, it looks pretty familiar .... but that's how I see it.
- Spill all OAR positions and recruit some new blood, with the Job Specification to include the requirement for:
(a)balls ( or similar)
(b)common sense - Grap a clean sheet of paper and mark all of Australia Class G Airspace
- Determine the Community's general Risk Appetite
- Where it can be logically, safely, efficiently and financially justified, re-classify appropriate Volumes as either:
Class D; or
Class C: - Review (using the logic, safety, efficiency, financial and risk appetite tests) the access requirements for Class D & C Airspace, in regards to radio, transponder, license and training
Actually, it looks pretty familiar .... but that's how I see it.
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I reckon a panel of ppruners should be able to do that, between the few of us we could sort it out and they can pay us the same bucket load of money thats been wasted so far.
We can all retire!
We can all retire!
Hmmm. Don't see a 3Jun10 Jepp Melbourne Terminal chart showing the new setup at AVV.
No NOTAM for Avalon pointing to the AIP SUPP either.
GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER, BOYS.
No NOTAM for Avalon pointing to the AIP SUPP either.
GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER, BOYS.
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Bloggs,
I just hope it isn't reminiscent of that inspired initiative that was dear to all of our hearts - the Class G 'airspace trial.' No sooner had it started than we were hit by a plethora (Paco, what is a plethora? Oh , Guapo, etc) of NOTAMs to correct omissions that weren't previously thought of. IMHO that was a giant cluster and this is shaping up the same.
I remain a sceptic. But, having said that, I'll perform a mea-culpa if this thing actually works.
I just hope it isn't reminiscent of that inspired initiative that was dear to all of our hearts - the Class G 'airspace trial.' No sooner had it started than we were hit by a plethora (Paco, what is a plethora? Oh , Guapo, etc) of NOTAMs to correct omissions that weren't previously thought of. IMHO that was a giant cluster and this is shaping up the same.
I remain a sceptic. But, having said that, I'll perform a mea-culpa if this thing actually works.
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It will 'appear' to work [until the law of averages catches up] because it is psuedo D not E that is of course until someone [either side of the ether] hesitates [in a pressure situation] as it is promulgated in all doc's and maps [and legally] as an E service, not D
A bit like 'Internationals' and SIMOPS. Despite the sage warnings from those that are licenced and operate the tower/s, after the inevitable, the bean counters and office types [who mostly could not find their own arses with two grabs] said it seemed like a good idea at the time
that is of course until someone [either side of the ether] hesitates [in a pressure situation] as it is promulgated in all doc's and maps [and legally] as an E service, not D A bit like 'Internationals' and SIMOPS. Despite the sage warnings from those that are licenced and operate the tower/s, after the inevitable, the bean counters and office types [who mostly could not find their own arses with two grabs] said it seemed like a good idea at the time