Govt Trying To Ban Jump Seats Again Today
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Govt Trying To Ban Jump Seats Again Today
Heads up: The Aust Govt is trying today to reintroduce the legislation that banned off-duty pilots using jump-seats. The Senate last year, as many of you know, voted last year to disallow the legislation following a great deal of work by aviation professionals.. The Govt has dragged it back to the Senate, attempting to have the disallowance rescinded today (they are trying to get a "rescission" of the disallowance).
You can see the dynamic order of business in the Senate here: Dynamic Red - Wednesday, 24 February 2010 The item is to be debated after carbon pollution and health issues, likely prior to 1245pm.
ABC radio is broadcasting live coverage of the Senate today, or you can listen to it live on the internet also.
I'll make no further comment at this stage, other than to say I'm pretty close to the politics going on here and even I'm not sure which way this will go. It will be very interesting listening and I encourage every professional aviator to listen in if you have a chance.
You can see the dynamic order of business in the Senate here: Dynamic Red - Wednesday, 24 February 2010 The item is to be debated after carbon pollution and health issues, likely prior to 1245pm.
ABC radio is broadcasting live coverage of the Senate today, or you can listen to it live on the internet also.
I'll make no further comment at this stage, other than to say I'm pretty close to the politics going on here and even I'm not sure which way this will go. It will be very interesting listening and I encourage every professional aviator to listen in if you have a chance.
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I assume this means they want a total ban on the jumpseat other than CASA FOI or a check captain on a check flight?? The airline I work at allows ASIC holders who work directly for the airline access to the jumpseat which I think is a reasonable policy.
If you've got Foxtel, The Senate is also being broadcast live on Sky News Active (Ch. 600), if you select the 'National' news prompt.
Ironically, banning Jump seat travel may just assist a would-be hijacker.
The advent of Ballistic/Lockable flightdeck doors will in no way stop the ingress to the cockpit of a well organised and determined hijacker(s). Unless the flight crew choose to keep themselves locked in for the entire flight, it only takes a moment to grab the opportunity when the flight attendant delivers the coffee/meals, or a pilot needs to use the bathroom!
Asside from the infamous FEDEX incident some 15 years ago, can anyone tell me the last time an aircraft was taken over by the Jumpseat passenger? Most turboprops, and a large number of medium size jets have a jumpseat that when occupied, effectively acts as a barrier to the flight-deck and the pilots sitting behind the controls.
By taking away the Captain's right to asses and determine the suitability of travel in the jumpseat, the politicians and knee-jerk reactionaries of this world just may be playing into the bad guy's hands.
Perhaps the Government could debate in the Senate the viability of pilots wearing diapers, and/or preparing their own meals as well as flying the aircraft!
The advent of Ballistic/Lockable flightdeck doors will in no way stop the ingress to the cockpit of a well organised and determined hijacker(s). Unless the flight crew choose to keep themselves locked in for the entire flight, it only takes a moment to grab the opportunity when the flight attendant delivers the coffee/meals, or a pilot needs to use the bathroom!
Asside from the infamous FEDEX incident some 15 years ago, can anyone tell me the last time an aircraft was taken over by the Jumpseat passenger? Most turboprops, and a large number of medium size jets have a jumpseat that when occupied, effectively acts as a barrier to the flight-deck and the pilots sitting behind the controls.
By taking away the Captain's right to asses and determine the suitability of travel in the jumpseat, the politicians and knee-jerk reactionaries of this world just may be playing into the bad guy's hands.
Perhaps the Government could debate in the Senate the viability of pilots wearing diapers, and/or preparing their own meals as well as flying the aircraft!
Email this to you local federal member ASAP.
To the Federal politicians of Australia,
Please ask yourself why is there a need to ban the access jump seat by airline staff, people who have already been deemed safe to have full access to a cockpit because of the requirements to now have an ASIC card.
Has the US banned jump seat passengers? NO.
Has the UK banned jump seat passengers? NO
Has Europe banned jump seat passengers? NO
So why does Australia need to ban them now? Before casting your vote ask some serious questions and don’t be blinded by so called security experts who are only justifying their own existence. Remember they are the same people that had you ban nail clippers and sewing needles.
Use common sense and sanity will prevail.
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Please ask yourself why is there a need to ban the access jump seat by airline staff, people who have already been deemed safe to have full access to a cockpit because of the requirements to now have an ASIC card.
Has the US banned jump seat passengers? NO.
Has the UK banned jump seat passengers? NO
Has Europe banned jump seat passengers? NO
So why does Australia need to ban them now? Before casting your vote ask some serious questions and don’t be blinded by so called security experts who are only justifying their own existence. Remember they are the same people that had you ban nail clippers and sewing needles.
Use common sense and sanity will prevail.
Regards
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I think this is all about the Government whipping up hysteria about terroism to deflect from their other problems(e.g. ceiling batts).I say leave the decision about who enters the cockpit to the airline and or Captain of the aircraft.
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404 Titan,
From what I have read the UK has a partial ban on the jump seat. The UK allows the jumpseat to be used by operational personnel that are on duty, ie you can not occupy the jumpseat into or out of the UK if you are on staff travel.
From what I have read the UK has a partial ban on the jump seat. The UK allows the jumpseat to be used by operational personnel that are on duty, ie you can not occupy the jumpseat into or out of the UK if you are on staff travel.
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Originally Posted by Krusty
By taking away the Captain's right to asses......
Anyway, this was completely predictable. Albanese totally had the ****s when the pilots successfully lobbied to have his little love-child (and stupid) piece of legislation disallowed. As a matter of personal pride, he will now do absolutely anything to "show us who is the boss".
Included in his little gem was the fact that a Captain would be criminally liable if a cabin crew member left the door unlocked after leaving the cockpit.
Albanese is a Class A Angora.
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Well in that case if you were wanting to do what they are suggesting. Why wait to be on staff travel ect. Just wait till you are on duty that way you have access the the metal fork the plastic knife thats just as strong as the metal fork and the best one the flamin crash axe. So really i am amazed that they even allow pilots onto an airplane, let alone unsupervised behind that locked door. All i can say i guess what a bunch of W**kers that we pay to run this country.
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Jump seat travel....
One less seat which can be used to get home....
Maybe now is the time when guaranteed seats, and higher priority for staff travel, has more relevance?
Note to self - make staff travel a priority for next EBA negotation.
Maybe now is the time when guaranteed seats, and higher priority for staff travel, has more relevance?
Note to self - make staff travel a priority for next EBA negotation.
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Unless it's a company check captain why allow any others access to the jump seat?
Whether it's another pilot, a CASA amateur pretending to be a professional pilot, a flight attendant (God help us!) or a company employee, they're all a pain in the ass in the cockpit!
I got rid of the pax years before the 9/11 thingy took off.
Best thing I ever did!
Keep them all out suits me fine.
Whether it's another pilot, a CASA amateur pretending to be a professional pilot, a flight attendant (God help us!) or a company employee, they're all a pain in the ass in the cockpit!
I got rid of the pax years before the 9/11 thingy took off.
Best thing I ever did!
Keep them all out suits me fine.
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The Senate was so busy talking about climate change and health insurance today (Wednesday) that it never got to the Aviation Security legislation. I note the matter is in the Senate Order of Business for Thursday 25th Feb.
Last edited by Jay Arr; 24th Feb 2010 at 20:50.