Govt Trying To Ban Jump Seats Again Today
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Ken B, you have no idea obviously. I make decisions about operational safety every day. I can therefore make a judgement about who can sit in MY jumpseat. A.S.O.'s are trusted to carry firearms on board aircraft, can we not be trusted at some point with the bulletproof door at our backs not to mention the crash axe! It is all for show, Alabanese is just power mad with no idea and no interest in making things genuinely safer. Sad that non professionals keep making ill informed decisions based on information provided by people who are merely trying to keep themselves in a job.
I still miss the days when as an ATC (at that stage trainee) I could visit your workplace, and get a feel for your workload. Helped so much in understanding both our jobs...
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YJPT has it in one. Screen all those publicly entering an aircraft; so the public can see the government is "serious about security", yet exempt all those entering an aircraft from airside from the same theatrics because to have a proper electronic screening point manned 24 hours a day would be expensive and damned inconvenient.
Albanese, when the first aircraft is hijacked with weapons supplied from accomplices who were exempt under your silly laws, then you should be held directly accountable.
Albanese, when the first aircraft is hijacked with weapons supplied from accomplices who were exempt under your silly laws, then you should be held directly accountable.
Looks like it is already in place at DJ. An operational bulletin came out yesterday stipulating only operating crew, or those with a safety, security, operational or training reason, are permitted to ride in the jumpseat.
Australian government hard at work again helping to keep us safe...not
Australian government hard at work again helping to keep us safe...not
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Can't an argument be made that ATC familiarity flights are permissible due to
?
The justifications being:
- safety - ATC having better understanding of flight ops will help promote safety;
- security - ATC will gain a better understanding of flight and flight-deck security issues;
- operational - ATC will gain a better understanding of the flight crew's operational environment and workload issues which their instructions may create for the flight crew;
- training - encompasses all of the above.
Does DOTARS not trust ATC-ers enough to allow them flight deck access?
Re red-ASIC-ed staff, could there not be an argument on safety and security grounds - "As PIC, I consider the flight is inherently safer and more secure with an extra trained company pilot on the FD so I will endeavour to find one on every flight" - so should paxing company pilots maybe make themselves known upon boarding?
a safety, security, operational or training reason
The justifications being:
- safety - ATC having better understanding of flight ops will help promote safety;
- security - ATC will gain a better understanding of flight and flight-deck security issues;
- operational - ATC will gain a better understanding of the flight crew's operational environment and workload issues which their instructions may create for the flight crew;
- training - encompasses all of the above.
Does DOTARS not trust ATC-ers enough to allow them flight deck access?
Re red-ASIC-ed staff, could there not be an argument on safety and security grounds - "As PIC, I consider the flight is inherently safer and more secure with an extra trained company pilot on the FD so I will endeavour to find one on every flight" - so should paxing company pilots maybe make themselves known upon boarding?
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As an soon to be ex-ATC'er and a lifelong Labor voter I will be returning home to Oz in time for the next election to help vote these fools out 
I just did a famil from OMAA to VCBI in the jump seat, gave me no end of appreciation for the airspace, changes in cockpit technology as well as cockpit procedures since the last famil flight I did in Australia back in 1999.
'Unjustified perk', obviously hasn't sat in a 737 or regional jump seat for any length of time
, perk is where you get to fly your entourage business class at the tax payers expense whilst screaming about the state of the radisho lettuce dressing.
I just did a famil from OMAA to VCBI in the jump seat, gave me no end of appreciation for the airspace, changes in cockpit technology as well as cockpit procedures since the last famil flight I did in Australia back in 1999.
'Unjustified perk', obviously hasn't sat in a 737 or regional jump seat for any length of time
, perk is where you get to fly your entourage business class at the tax payers expense whilst screaming about the state of the radisho lettuce dressing.
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Albanese, when the first aircraft is hijacked with weapons supplied from accomplices who were exempt under your silly laws, then you should be held directly accountable.
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Worrals is 100% correct.
the last group of emoployers sacked for misconduct(trafficing drugs) were those well screened ground crew after passing extensive security check(some had criminal records).
But you got it right there Albanese you fool. I am a bigger threat to the safety of an aircraft with my 110grams of toothpaste, that is half empty!
the last group of emoployers sacked for misconduct(trafficing drugs) were those well screened ground crew after passing extensive security check(some had criminal records).
But you got it right there Albanese you fool. I am a bigger threat to the safety of an aircraft with my 110grams of toothpaste, that is half empty!
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Looks like it is already in place at DJ. An operational bulletin came out yesterday stipulating only operating crew, or those with a safety, security, operational or training reason, are permitted to ride in the jumpseat.
Australian government hard at work again helping to keep us safe...not
Australian government hard at work again helping to keep us safe...not
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Perhaps flying as low as cleared with gear down and flap out over the Transport Ministers marginal electorate by all of us will change his attitude, and possibly the companies attitudes also (once they realise it is costing them money).
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How about captain's refuse to allow CASA inspectors on the flight deck. We are not allowed to have a fellow company pilot, who you've probably know for years in the jump seat because he is a security risk, Yet a CASA examiner who you've never met before can rock up to your flight deck show a ASIC and be allowed access for the purpose of surveillance of your flight. Tell him to politely sod off, as he is a security risk.
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It seems you don't need access to the flight deck to pull off a hijack. The NTSB data from the FDR of American Airline's 77 on Sep 11 indicates that the flight deck door remained closed for the duration of the flight from Dulles to the Pentagon. AAL77 FDR Decoder
Perhaps flying as low as cleared with gear down and flap out over the Transport Ministers marginal electorate by all of us will change his attitude, and possibly the companies attitudes also (once they realise it is costing them money).
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This all seems unbelievable for a bloke from my era. Off course we would give a bloke a lift to work, the only problem I ever had was to get one who barracked for a different team to me! What a innocent world we lived in, how bloody sad you cannot give a mate a lift to work, even after 89 we still gave a lift even if it was conducted in silence, (and it often was)! The whole thing is nuts!
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Dear Ken,
I registered so i could tell you what a complete mumbling moron i think you are!! Just like your friend ALBY..
I havent bothered to read your other posts to get an idea of what you do in aviation(just a stab in the dark your not a pilot) but i wouldnt let you make toast let alone look at an aircraft!!
I registered so i could tell you what a complete mumbling moron i think you are!! Just like your friend ALBY..
I havent bothered to read your other posts to get an idea of what you do in aviation(just a stab in the dark your not a pilot) but i wouldnt let you make toast let alone look at an aircraft!!
