CSM dobbing on Capt makes it to Newspaper
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CSM dobbing on Capt makes it to Newspaper
Yes it was a closed thread, but presumably because people got a little sidetracked..... Now that it has made the News, it is probably worthy of Reporting points.
From the ever reliable Sunday Herald/Telegraph (which by the way has already altered the story from the print version to the electronic version)
Pilot's rap on booze | Herald Sun
The last few paragraphs are different to the printed Sunday Telegraph, but the rest of the article is nearly identical. (I am not quite sure how these newspapers relate their articles between different publications)
So the Frankfurt Stool Pigeon strikes again.
From the ever reliable Sunday Herald/Telegraph (which by the way has already altered the story from the print version to the electronic version)
Pilot's rap on booze | Herald Sun
Pilot's rap on booze
Ellen Whinnett From: Sunday Herald Sun January 24, 2010 12:01AM
A QANTAS pilot has been reprimanded for suggesting the crew share a celebratory bottle of champagne after they landed at an international airport on Christmas Day.
The pilot, an Australian, made the suggestion after he landed a Qantas plane at Frankfurt, Germany, on December 25.
Qantas flies to Frankfurt from Australia via London, a long-haul flight that takes more than 24 hours.
The practice of the flight crew and the cabin crew sharing a glass of champagne at the front of the aircraft after passengers had disembarked on Christmas Day and New Year's Day was once a tradition at Qantas throughout the world.
But drinking company alcohol on board a company plane is banned by the airline, which has a strict drug and alcohol policy.
The captain suggested the drink to a cabin crew member, who asked the cabin supervisor.
But the supervisor spoke to the captain, reminded him of the company policy and put the incident in a report to management.
That report has made some Qantas pilots furious. They say the matter should never have reached management.
But a Qantas spokeswoman, who confirmed the incident, said the pilot had not been disciplined or stood down.
She said he had been spoken to by Qantas's chief pilot and given another copy of the company's policy on drinking alcohol as a reminder.
"He (the pilot) had the best of intentions, but it was against company policy," she said.
Ellen Whinnett From: Sunday Herald Sun January 24, 2010 12:01AM
A QANTAS pilot has been reprimanded for suggesting the crew share a celebratory bottle of champagne after they landed at an international airport on Christmas Day.
The pilot, an Australian, made the suggestion after he landed a Qantas plane at Frankfurt, Germany, on December 25.
Qantas flies to Frankfurt from Australia via London, a long-haul flight that takes more than 24 hours.
The practice of the flight crew and the cabin crew sharing a glass of champagne at the front of the aircraft after passengers had disembarked on Christmas Day and New Year's Day was once a tradition at Qantas throughout the world.
But drinking company alcohol on board a company plane is banned by the airline, which has a strict drug and alcohol policy.
The captain suggested the drink to a cabin crew member, who asked the cabin supervisor.
But the supervisor spoke to the captain, reminded him of the company policy and put the incident in a report to management.
That report has made some Qantas pilots furious. They say the matter should never have reached management.
But a Qantas spokeswoman, who confirmed the incident, said the pilot had not been disciplined or stood down.
She said he had been spoken to by Qantas's chief pilot and given another copy of the company's policy on drinking alcohol as a reminder.
"He (the pilot) had the best of intentions, but it was against company policy," she said.
The last few paragraphs are different to the printed Sunday Telegraph, but the rest of the article is nearly identical. (I am not quite sure how these newspapers relate their articles between different publications)
So the Frankfurt Stool Pigeon strikes again.
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This is a good reminder that journo's read PPrune...
The editor probably only gave it space in the Sunday edition because it's not a big story compared to mid week news...
I don't think there is any point discussing the individual concerned any further.....
The editor probably only gave it space in the Sunday edition because it's not a big story compared to mid week news...
I don't think there is any point discussing the individual concerned any further.....
That must be a new sector. SYD-SIN-LHR-FRA.
As it has been said, this is once again poor journalism. Two minutes research on the web would have given this journo a little bit more credibility.
As it has been said, this is once again poor journalism. Two minutes research on the web would have given this journo a little bit more credibility.
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You have to love the nick names crew get.We have now Amelia who is going to be a very lonely person up the track.We've had the Tehran canary,Tow Truck,6 pack and even the techies get into the act with the captain they called Caeser.
The story goes that he spat the dummy when he found out that for some reason the tech crew meal trays on that flight did no have a salad.So he was not going to leave until he got a salad hence the name Caeser.
The story goes that he spat the dummy when he found out that for some reason the tech crew meal trays on that flight did no have a salad.So he was not going to leave until he got a salad hence the name Caeser.
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But drinking company alcohol on board a company plane is banned by the airline, which has a strict drug and alcohol policy.
Sorry,I forgot it only applies to drinking on the aircraft even if it's sitting there doing nothing with no passengers in sight and you have finished your days work on Christmas day.
Exactly,like the office but that's different isn't it.
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i just wonder how CASA who now do Random tests of Tech and Cabin Crew would react if they tested the crew for alcohol as they left the aircraft?
I dont see anything in the REGS that suggests that CASA would somehow be able to turn a blind eye because it's XMAS or Australia Day or ANZAC Day or the CSM's B'day etc..
In no way am i suggesting that the "dobbing" culture should be condoned but i think that there are other issues in todays "professional" workplace where alcohol is problematic.
You may recall that 6 cabin crew known as the LA 6 were terminated by the Company for removal or "unauthorised" use of Company stores. The Union fought very hard and all but one were reinstated. For the CSM and CSS concerned, they were demoted. So i can understand the reticence of a CSM to put himself or herself in a position where their employment was at risk.
Given the newspaper article and the response by TECH CREW management about the issue, ie playing it down, and its not such a big deal, and we have had a chat about it........... Cabin Crew Management could certainly take a leaf out of that book.
Sadly Cabin Crew are not managed professionally the way that Tech Crew (esp Captains) are by their superiors and as such are more concerned about the repercussions of indulging in such a "team bonding event"
As i said before however, a polite no thankyou and an explanation of WHY would have been enough for most CSM's. I would like to know what however beyond that caused the CSM to actually report the matter. There must be more to the story or it would appear that we truly do have a new Canary or dare i say it "the Frankfurt Cuckoo" ?
I dont see anything in the REGS that suggests that CASA would somehow be able to turn a blind eye because it's XMAS or Australia Day or ANZAC Day or the CSM's B'day etc..
In no way am i suggesting that the "dobbing" culture should be condoned but i think that there are other issues in todays "professional" workplace where alcohol is problematic.
You may recall that 6 cabin crew known as the LA 6 were terminated by the Company for removal or "unauthorised" use of Company stores. The Union fought very hard and all but one were reinstated. For the CSM and CSS concerned, they were demoted. So i can understand the reticence of a CSM to put himself or herself in a position where their employment was at risk.
Given the newspaper article and the response by TECH CREW management about the issue, ie playing it down, and its not such a big deal, and we have had a chat about it........... Cabin Crew Management could certainly take a leaf out of that book.
Sadly Cabin Crew are not managed professionally the way that Tech Crew (esp Captains) are by their superiors and as such are more concerned about the repercussions of indulging in such a "team bonding event"
As i said before however, a polite no thankyou and an explanation of WHY would have been enough for most CSM's. I would like to know what however beyond that caused the CSM to actually report the matter. There must be more to the story or it would appear that we truly do have a new Canary or dare i say it "the Frankfurt Cuckoo" ?
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Australia:The Nana State
Forget about Big Brother we have a Neurotic Nana watching our every move.
Humour and compassion have been regulated out of our lives.
There is a rule or regulation for every facet of our lives
This is a perfect example.
Nana has police everywhere.In another time they were known as brown shirts.
Is this where we are heading?Or are we already there?
Humour and compassion have been regulated out of our lives.
There is a rule or regulation for every facet of our lives
This is a perfect example.
Nana has police everywhere.In another time they were known as brown shirts.
Is this where we are heading?Or are we already there?
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All this CSM's action does is drive a wedge between tech and cabin crew. Very sad indeed. The Captain thinks he's doing the right thing, as people are far away from their family on Christmas day, and he is reported. What about a quiet word in the Captain's ear from the CSM. All over and done with. No, much better to report the matter to the company, gain some brownie points and move on. So much for tech crew/cabin crew relations. 
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Nice contribution to the topic ditch, and this incident just backs up what I have said about alot of lhcc all along. Very sad. Could you imagine if techies reported cc for every indiscretion they made. The biggest example I see is incorrect flight deck door protocol especially when leaving, or smoking in uniform in public. Better write a report about this next time! Seriously though, whatever happened to the days when you had a quick chat in someones ear. Matter closed. Now everyone has to run to mummy and squeal.
Wouldn't happen with qcca crew. They actually try and get along with techies.
Wouldn't happen with qcca crew. They actually try and get along with techies.
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I no way am I condoning the CSMs actions.
What I find pathetic is you bemoaning tech/cabin relations with regard to his actions given your history of mindless, antagonistic, anti cabin crew posts.
You do know what a hypocrite is don't you ?
Look in the dictionary or if you don't have one handy, try a mirror.
What I find pathetic is you bemoaning tech/cabin relations with regard to his actions given your history of mindless, antagonistic, anti cabin crew posts.
You do know what a hypocrite is don't you ?
Look in the dictionary or if you don't have one handy, try a mirror.
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i just wonder how CASA who now do Random tests of Tech and Cabin Crew would react if they tested the crew for alcohol as they left the aircraft?
Anyway the threshold for alcohol testing is .02 so as long as it was only 1 or 2 small glasses to celebrate Christmas there is no problem.
The culture of dobbing is well and truely entrenched. These individuals make me sick.
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It'd be horrible for this thread to degenerate into a CC/techies slanging match. Whilst none of us were there and so don't truly know how this went down, it's pretty obvious we're all united in our dislike for how it appears to have transpired.
If this thread is close to the mark, the particular CSM had better be unbelievably good at their job. It's entirely foreseeable that some crew (both tech and cabin) will be keeping an eye on the CSMs operation with entirely predictable results if the CSM makes a mistake.
If this thread is close to the mark, the particular CSM had better be unbelievably good at their job. It's entirely foreseeable that some crew (both tech and cabin) will be keeping an eye on the CSMs operation with entirely predictable results if the CSM makes a mistake.
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There are several examples where Tech crew [not Qantas] have been found to be drunk after being tested prior to a flight departing.
My understanding is that the only alcohol/drug testing that QF "routinely" receive occurs prior to a duty.
My understanding is that the only alcohol/drug testing that QF "routinely" receive occurs prior to a duty.