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Old 6th Nov 2009, 20:24
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Company NOTAMs for the Saab is to taxi as close as practically possible at B3 and hold 7m from the holding point at F.
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An electrically charged fuel line! Mmmm...
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 20:57
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An electrically charged fuel line! Mmmm...
Its called Cathodic Protection, every underground fuel storage tank has to have it, as well as metal pipelines.

The electric currents running through it are small, but will cause AHRS errors in some aircraft.

See here: Cathodic Protection
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 21:00
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Instead, why don't you ask the ground controller why he put the Dash there, knowing full well it would take them a while to get away due to the departing traffic at the time, having well known you guys would be coming up on Bravo.
Not quite as simple as that. The dash may have been put there for various reasons - to give the Tower a prop as No1 at a holding point, so it can be used right behind a jet in a 'half' gap or when it's flatout (once in a while) you simply look out the window and pick the first available hole.
The other thing of note, is that over the last 12 months or so we have had an influx of new staff and the skill level is not what it was - lots of good operators, but lacking experience in such a busy position.

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Old 6th Nov 2009, 23:47
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Instead, why don't you ask the ground controller why he put the Dash there, knowing full well it would take them a while to get away due to the departing traffic at the time, having well known you guys would be coming up on Bravo
Where should be go? B2? He'll block the inbound aircraft anyway. It is never as simple as that.

Now that everything is 107.5m back, the gaps are getting smaller and smaller.
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Old 7th Nov 2009, 00:18
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Ive been parked at b4 close enough that I have not been able to see the hold line in front of me, ie. pretty damn close.

A message was passed to us by tower from ground that we were blocking off a 767. I kid you not; we released brakes and moved forward no more than a metre, maybe two. The QF 767 passed behind us.

My question is, if things are so difficult to judge from the lofty heights of the huge 767. Why do they taxi behind any aircraft at all waiting at B4? is a 700 series OK, when an 800 is not? What will happen when the 900s come? If it looks tight, get a wing-walker or follow me car right?

Somehow I think this whole "Virgin, please move up to the holding point" has become a bit of a sport lately.

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Old 7th Nov 2009, 00:26
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Dragun has it in a nutshell but a quick explanation from the blokes in the Dash might have been appropriate.
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Old 7th Nov 2009, 00:54
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I've heard they have a similar problem at London City Airport!

The airport is built on a disused wharf, and the old iron bollards can play havoc with the heading systems!

Airport Magnetism

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Old 7th Nov 2009, 01:04
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Buzzy, we may not be able to see our wings but we can see your tail and can often see where it is in relation to other lines on the taxi ways. EG: I know that our wings pass in board of particular taxiway markings and if I can see your tail this side of it (by even a metre) then I hold short. If I see your tail on the other side of that line then I know I'm right to pass by. Sometimes that extra metre or 3 (or 6 or 7) makes a difference.

Perhaps it wouldn't be a sport if you stuck your nose within a metre of the runway hold short lines in the first instance?!?!
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Old 7th Nov 2009, 01:51
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While we are at it, how come Virgins taxi so slowly!
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Old 7th Nov 2009, 02:28
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Re: Virgin taxi speeds, not sure for the 73, but the E-jet used to have quite restrictive taxi speed limitations, which recently became recommendations. (Wet turning - 5 knots)
However the nose wheel on the 170 is prone to skidding during a turn on wet painted bitumen and concrete. Check out the deck angle next time, and it'll make sense.

As for not tucking into the holding point I have no explanations, I personally pull up with the hold lines in the corner of the L1 flight-deck window. Probably 1-2 metres short of the lines.

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Okie doke Keg. Point taken

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Old 9th Nov 2009, 11:06
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Yes its true that the AHARS will have problems and generate a heading mismatch but if your blocking someone then its not that hard to get around.

Not sure about the smaller ones but on the Q400 simply pushing "DG" at the holding point to the one thats going out of allignment then push it again when cleared to line up prevents the mismatch or for that matter just let them go out of alignment and once lined up a quick double push of the "DG" button will realign the the one that has gone 'out of wack.'

(I realise thats possibly applying more than the allowable amount of practicality to the situation though)
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Old 9th Nov 2009, 21:52
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Hmmm, if the ATC know that at times the a/c holding at 16R may have their tails hanging out a bit onto B due to fuel flux problem or whatever, why don't they send the QFs home via C as it doesn't matter is someone is queuing behind on B as mentioned before they will have to wait for the a/c with their tail hanging out anyway to t/o before em in the sequence anyhows..pretty long sentance that..


Is annoying though when the bigger plane (737/320) are sitting with their tail a metre or two over that dashed yellow line marking the edge of B. In reality probably gonna miss it but can't take the chance! Perhaps 'wing mirrors' to be added to the LHS of the 76?
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Old 10th Nov 2009, 01:40
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Devil no no no!

why dont the link guys stop being selfish and think about the mainline guys for once!

there will be a foso issued shortly requiring the use of 16R G intersection takeoff charts for all 16R departures. all qantas group turbo prop operations must use only intersections G, B1 or B10! to achieve this a letter of agreement has been put in place between qantaslink, SACL and air services australia. all qantaslink aircraft will preffix their callsign with 'shafted'. for example a first call to ground would be; 'sydney ground shafted qantaslink recieved quebec....'. The use of this phraseology will serve as a timely reminder to the ground controller that the more obvious holding points are not to be used.

any further questions or queries call mario.
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Old 10th Nov 2009, 02:38
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My question is, if things are so difficult to judge from the lofty heights of the huge 767...
From the lofty heights of the 767 flight deck, if you are protruding out past the line I won't pass, if you are wholly the other side of the line, I will pass. Simple as that really.

Somehow I think this whole "Virgin, please move up to the holding point" has become a bit of a sport lately.
Often it is simply easier to ask ground if we can take C instead (as normally it would involved coordination with TWR controller to get the offending aircraft moved forward) and that is my preferred course of action. It's about reducing time spent with turbines burning, not sport as suggested.

If you can't move up for whatever reason, it's no problem. But without access to your specific FOSOs we will continue to ask if you can move up.

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