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Sounds to me like Tunedog just kicked an own goal.
If JetStar are earning as much as what tunedog makes out ,then where is the cost difference between Jetstar and Qantas?????
Like I've pointed out elsewhere there appears to be a growing disenchantment with the travelling public reference the orange star.
Try and Google "Qantas sux" and see how many pages there are,
then google "jetstar sux "and wade through ten pages of animosity,
google "tiger sux" and you're lucky to find a couple of pages,why is that?
If JetStar are earning as much as what tunedog makes out ,then where is the cost difference between Jetstar and Qantas?????
Like I've pointed out elsewhere there appears to be a growing disenchantment with the travelling public reference the orange star.
Try and Google "Qantas sux" and see how many pages there are,
then google "jetstar sux "and wade through ten pages of animosity,
google "tiger sux" and you're lucky to find a couple of pages,why is that?
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Hey Tunedbog
I think thats USD, not sure, but either way Jeffstar drivers are not earning 260K, thats from my sources who actually work there ( in fact around 240K for a very busy Checky ), if they were, after paying OZ tax they would take home around, wait for it, 14K AUD/month
Also, they are not flying 10-12 days/month for that money more like 20 days/month, comparing apples to oranges mate.
Don't remember mentioning " peanuts ", maybe thats what your on
Most of the Air Chong guys as you so eloquently put it, were earning circa 30KAUD +/month up here before they left so I guess they can afford to live on a paultry 14K net/month in Oz.
I think thats USD, not sure, but either way Jeffstar drivers are not earning 260K, thats from my sources who actually work there ( in fact around 240K for a very busy Checky ), if they were, after paying OZ tax they would take home around, wait for it, 14K AUD/month
Also, they are not flying 10-12 days/month for that money more like 20 days/month, comparing apples to oranges mate.
Don't remember mentioning " peanuts ", maybe thats what your on
Most of the Air Chong guys as you so eloquently put it, were earning circa 30KAUD +/month up here before they left so I guess they can afford to live on a paultry 14K net/month in Oz.
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If JetStar are earning as much as what tunedog makes out ,then where is the cost difference between Jetstar and Qantas says blow.n.gasket
Allow me to enlighten you.The cost difference is you 655+page EBA.
1.QF need over 40% more crews to operate there A330 than JQ.When the QF A330 went from the SH award to the LH award there was a 40% increase required in crew numbers to satisfy the LH award efficiencies!!!!
2.No load planners done by crew[not that hard].QF have 210 people in load planning.
3.All flap settings avail for takeoff as per airbus FCOM.This allows better flex and thus money saving[QF only use flap 2,not efficient on long R/W]
I cud go on but not enough time.The money figures for the A330 are close to the mark [$220-260]You shud not be afraid of a bit of hard work.I fly over 900 stick [not credit]every year and manage 15 days at home every month.This will get better with the new A/c and increased frequency to current ports.This is the norm with most overseas carriers.Blank lines ETC are something only you guys have!!!
Unless you and you companions break out of the mindset that there is only one way to operate IE QF or nothing,you will all have plenty of time off
Allow me to enlighten you.The cost difference is you 655+page EBA.
1.QF need over 40% more crews to operate there A330 than JQ.When the QF A330 went from the SH award to the LH award there was a 40% increase required in crew numbers to satisfy the LH award efficiencies!!!!
2.No load planners done by crew[not that hard].QF have 210 people in load planning.
3.All flap settings avail for takeoff as per airbus FCOM.This allows better flex and thus money saving[QF only use flap 2,not efficient on long R/W]
I cud go on but not enough time.The money figures for the A330 are close to the mark [$220-260]You shud not be afraid of a bit of hard work.I fly over 900 stick [not credit]every year and manage 15 days at home every month.This will get better with the new A/c and increased frequency to current ports.This is the norm with most overseas carriers.Blank lines ETC are something only you guys have!!!
Unless you and you companions break out of the mindset that there is only one way to operate IE QF or nothing,you will all have plenty of time off
Jetbest. How does it go? Better to be thought a fool...............
Something like that.
What has that got to do with the pilots contract?
Wow. I'm speachless.
Something like that.
2.No load planners done by crew[not that hard].QF have 210 people in load planning.
3.All flap settings avail for takeoff as per airbus FCOM.This allows better flex and thus money saving[QF only use flap 2,not efficient on long R/W]
Wow. I'm speachless.
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The More Pressing Issues
Forget Driver rates and the heated discussion that is flaring up,I want to know - 'Do VB,JQ and Tiger use,or support the use of Danish butter onboard VH registered aircraft ??
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Jetbest, the % numbers you are quoting are BS!
So all QF Pilots do <500hrs a year? - crap!
You really think working more for less money is a good thing for you?
"It's the 3rd divorce that will really screw you!"
So all QF Pilots do <500hrs a year? - crap!
You really think working more for less money is a good thing for you?
"It's the 3rd divorce that will really screw you!"
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Ahh JetBest,
That's a bold statement to make.
These new aircraft you speak of....are they the 330's and 787's(maybe....if the thing ever actually gets built) that will eventually be crewed by JQ Asia and JQ NZ?????
Unless the JQ Australia pilots breakout of the mindset that there is only one way to operate i.e. JQ OZ or nothing, we will all have plenty of time off.
Get it..
Unless you and you companions break out of the mindset that there is only one way to operate IE QF or nothing,you will all have plenty of time off
These new aircraft you speak of....are they the 330's and 787's(maybe....if the thing ever actually gets built) that will eventually be crewed by JQ Asia and JQ NZ?????
Unless the JQ Australia pilots breakout of the mindset that there is only one way to operate i.e. JQ OZ or nothing, we will all have plenty of time off.
Get it..
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Getting back to the question of $$$ between pussy and porn a friend recently commented that, yes pussy get paid less BUT have a confirmed 22 or so days off per year more than porn.
Yes pussy go to work on a 5/2/5/4 sequence and are rostered 900-950 hours per year but the pattern allows for recovery and (allegedly) pussy techcrew sickleave is very low; no idea of porn sickleave.
As always depends on your needs/desires/drives at the time but appears pussy ARE paid less but have more time off and a more predictable schedule therefore maybe more stable homelife?? - lifestyle Vs $$$, every individual will view the equation differently.
And to the best of my knowledge (IMHO) pussy have not yet assigned crews to the new base of...AD...and then told them to pack their bags and go to...PHE (or similar.)
Mind you - who knoes what's ever going on in the back office!
Cheers all
galdian
Yes pussy go to work on a 5/2/5/4 sequence and are rostered 900-950 hours per year but the pattern allows for recovery and (allegedly) pussy techcrew sickleave is very low; no idea of porn sickleave.
As always depends on your needs/desires/drives at the time but appears pussy ARE paid less but have more time off and a more predictable schedule therefore maybe more stable homelife?? - lifestyle Vs $$$, every individual will view the equation differently.
And to the best of my knowledge (IMHO) pussy have not yet assigned crews to the new base of...AD...and then told them to pack their bags and go to...PHE (or similar.)
Mind you - who knoes what's ever going on in the back office!
Cheers all
galdian
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discussed and debated but no change in policy to best of humble knowledge.
more than happy to be PROVED wrong, talking to a few guys they're still turning up to fly the 5/2/5/4 roster..
more than happy to be PROVED wrong, talking to a few guys they're still turning up to fly the 5/2/5/4 roster..
From what I was told if you join on the MEL base you used to get it but if you chance seats and/or chance base or you are a new hire you lose it or dont get it. Apparently its a loophole in the contract. The only ones who still have it are those that are originally MEL based have not changed base or seat and joined before a certain date earlier this year. Told this by some angry Tiger drivers.
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Apparently its a loophole in the contract
Seems Tiger Management have no idea how to run an airline in Australia, they are copying tactics and ploys set by their mothership in Singapore but fail to realise that Australians are a completely different race and they must adapt to stay alive. 2 Flights ex Melbourne cancelled yesterday due lack of cabin crew. again. Havn't learn their lessons from about 12 months ago.
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As I said, if you worked your butt off including quite a few days off, then you could earn up to that amount.
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Keeping The Diet Fair
Hey 'No Idea either' my apologies for metioning VB and Danish Butter in the same sentence !!
I felt it important to explore all possibilities thats all, but Belgian Butter sounds excellent to me. I believe it is a softer spread and contains less calories, is that true ??
I felt it important to explore all possibilities thats all, but Belgian Butter sounds excellent to me. I believe it is a softer spread and contains less calories, is that true ??