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If you were any good as a union you make out to be you would not allow LAMES and AMES to be on two different rates at VB, but like all unions your a bunch of chest beaters.
Why SHOULD AMES be on the same pay rate as LAMES..?.........one is "Licenced"...therefore responsible.
Should Capt's and F/O's be on the same rate also....???......CS same as CC...?
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Sure I may throw bags but I still talk to LAMES and AMES because Im interested in that side of the airline operation.
Think back to the Challenger Disaster and Richard Feynemans appendix to the report.
Management makes the false assumption that just because a LAME has never "saved a VB aircraft from disaster" by finding a lethal defect on a morning walk around, that this is never going to happen.
Unfortunately statistics, as Feyneman famously pointed out, always win in the end.
99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time a LAME check is a needless luxury.
Just pray you are not on the aircraft on the one time that it isn't.
Management makes the false assumption that just because a LAME has never "saved a VB aircraft from disaster" by finding a lethal defect on a morning walk around, that this is never going to happen.
Unfortunately statistics, as Feyneman famously pointed out, always win in the end.
99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time a LAME check is a needless luxury.
Just pray you are not on the aircraft on the one time that it isn't.
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As for the Daily check, if an aircraft overnights in CNS two nights in a row then CNS will carry out the Daily.
Whilst the Daily is now mandated to be carried out in the main bases, BNE,OOL,SYD,CBR,MEL,ADL,PER whenever the aircraft terminates it can and does get carried out in the other manned ports as required.
Whilst the Daily is now mandated to be carried out in the main bases, BNE,OOL,SYD,CBR,MEL,ADL,PER whenever the aircraft terminates it can and does get carried out in the other manned ports as required.
Thank you for your post anawanahuanana. Given that ground accidents have become a major fact in aviation, I wonder if anyone out there remembers when wing walkers were common in the industry?
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"Thank you for your post anawanahuanana. Given that ground accidents have become a major fact in aviation, I wonder if anyone out there remembers when wing walkers were common in the industry?"
I don't remember the time. Too young I guess. However, these days people aren't willing to pay $500 for a one way ticket SYD-MEL (unless they aren't really paying), so airlines can no longer afford to employ so many people. I may not like the fact that airlines have to continually cut costs every way they can, but that doesn't mean I don't understand why they do.
I don't remember the time. Too young I guess. However, these days people aren't willing to pay $500 for a one way ticket SYD-MEL (unless they aren't really paying), so airlines can no longer afford to employ so many people. I may not like the fact that airlines have to continually cut costs every way they can, but that doesn't mean I don't understand why they do.
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vb management?
The fact is, VB were getting a lot of delays to the first flight of the day because guys were finding wheel and brake changes on the pre-flight. This was NOT, I can assure you, only on aircraft that had not had a Daily that night. So who is to blame? VB management
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As for the ports where no Daily will be called up, well I would like to think that if there is a LAME at the airport when the aircraft terminates, he would, out of professionalism if nothing else, carry out a walkround of the aircraft. It should be a given in my opinion. If he choses not to, he falls into the slack **** category mentioned above, and again this is a problem with the LAME concerned, not with the VB SOM.
If the time is not allocated by mgt it might not be possible. Image saying that to your doctor, dentist a manager once you've booked in for the basics?
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I saw the U.K move from LWTR to the Part 66 licence, and it was full of doom and gloom for years. All about how the B2 would disappear and the B1s would be signing off every defect willy nilly and planes would crashing all the time.
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when the ride in a dodgy cab to the airport costs more than a ticket syd to mel, when a trolley from the carosel to the cab costs $4, i think <$1/pax or guest for those at vb) for a preflight seems cheap and well worth it!
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"Now that is a worry, rather than managing the problem by kicking the appropriate bum, the vb solution removes the check. wow! So now you still have a defect and a first flight delay OR a method of ignoring maintenance by ignorance, which is it?"
I do see your point. However, I believe that some (a small minority of LAMEs) may have been less thorough with their Daily inspections than they perhaps could have been because they knew there was another check taking place before flight. I would hope that now they may view things a little differently. Admittedly, the majority of FFOD delays were on a/c that had not had a Daily that night, which should now not happen.
"what else should he do that is not scheduled, the oxy, hyd, lights, cabin, water, aerobridge, pushout, oils, windscreens, fuel? common.
If the time is not allocated by mgt it might not be possible. Image saying that to your doctor, dentist a manager once you've booked in for the basics?"
So you are saying that some of the guys in the smaller ports should just collect their 150k a year to sit in the office and not even go out to meet the aircraft when it arrives? I couldn't do that through guilt if nothing else. Technically the guys in the small ports should be there for their full shift, but everybody knows that they get their work done and then get away. If they are not even performing the most basic form of maintenance, then some management would question why they are paying them at all. They should be doing a check of the aircraft to protect themselves. If they pick up a defect and save a delay or AOG, then they have again proven their worth. If they have taken the cash and the aircraft sits AOG in the morning because something obvious wasn't seen until the oncoming crew did a walkround, they should really see that that is an unfavourable position for them to be in, job securing wise. Another nail in the coffin of the minor ports if you like.
"B2's got a lot of their privileges back cause it was not working."
That's exactly right, because the nightmare scenario every LAME kept on crying about, of B1s signing everything off and the B2 becoming redundant didn't happen, just like it won't here.
"when the ride in a dodgy cab to the airport costs more than a ticket syd to mel, when a trolley from the carosel to the cab costs $4, i think <$1/pax or guest for those at vb) for a preflight seems cheap and well worth it!"
I totally agree with you. I'm more than happy to pay it, but then I'm not VB management, nor am I an online customer looking for the absolute lowest price. They have little to no idea about the maintenance schedule in each airline in Australia and will book the cheapest flight regardless. I'm not saying it's right, but that is how it is. Let's not forget that an airline is like any other business. It does not exist to transport you from A to B in the safest way possible. It does not exist to offer you a better service that anyone else. It's primary purpose for existence is as a vehicle to make money for those who have invested in it. Safety is of paramount importance, but it is not the reason for it's existance. It can be as safe as you like, but no profit will put an end to everyone's job quickly.
I do see your point. However, I believe that some (a small minority of LAMEs) may have been less thorough with their Daily inspections than they perhaps could have been because they knew there was another check taking place before flight. I would hope that now they may view things a little differently. Admittedly, the majority of FFOD delays were on a/c that had not had a Daily that night, which should now not happen.
"what else should he do that is not scheduled, the oxy, hyd, lights, cabin, water, aerobridge, pushout, oils, windscreens, fuel? common.
If the time is not allocated by mgt it might not be possible. Image saying that to your doctor, dentist a manager once you've booked in for the basics?"
So you are saying that some of the guys in the smaller ports should just collect their 150k a year to sit in the office and not even go out to meet the aircraft when it arrives? I couldn't do that through guilt if nothing else. Technically the guys in the small ports should be there for their full shift, but everybody knows that they get their work done and then get away. If they are not even performing the most basic form of maintenance, then some management would question why they are paying them at all. They should be doing a check of the aircraft to protect themselves. If they pick up a defect and save a delay or AOG, then they have again proven their worth. If they have taken the cash and the aircraft sits AOG in the morning because something obvious wasn't seen until the oncoming crew did a walkround, they should really see that that is an unfavourable position for them to be in, job securing wise. Another nail in the coffin of the minor ports if you like.
"B2's got a lot of their privileges back cause it was not working."
That's exactly right, because the nightmare scenario every LAME kept on crying about, of B1s signing everything off and the B2 becoming redundant didn't happen, just like it won't here.
"when the ride in a dodgy cab to the airport costs more than a ticket syd to mel, when a trolley from the carosel to the cab costs $4, i think <$1/pax or guest for those at vb) for a preflight seems cheap and well worth it!"
I totally agree with you. I'm more than happy to pay it, but then I'm not VB management, nor am I an online customer looking for the absolute lowest price. They have little to no idea about the maintenance schedule in each airline in Australia and will book the cheapest flight regardless. I'm not saying it's right, but that is how it is. Let's not forget that an airline is like any other business. It does not exist to transport you from A to B in the safest way possible. It does not exist to offer you a better service that anyone else. It's primary purpose for existence is as a vehicle to make money for those who have invested in it. Safety is of paramount importance, but it is not the reason for it's existance. It can be as safe as you like, but no profit will put an end to everyone's job quickly.
