Merged: A330 safety beatup on SUNDAY
Tim Hamilton
If you actually have a read of the accident investigation into the American Airlines crash you will find it was caused by the pilot flying using the rudder incorrectly during a wake turbulence encounter which resulted in it exceeding design load limits. This is a gotcha in any aircraft not just Airbuses. As for the Air France accident, information is unfortunately very thin as the Flight Data and Cockpit Voice recorders haven’t been located but the most likely cause was because of European made pitot tubes fitted at the time to Air France A330’s that had a know safety problem. All of Qantas’s A330’s as well as my own carrier’s have upgraded pitot tubes made by an American manufacturer that have a very good safety record.
The A330/340 has no more or less problems than any other airliner that has been in service for 15+ years.
If you actually have a read of the accident investigation into the American Airlines crash you will find it was caused by the pilot flying using the rudder incorrectly during a wake turbulence encounter which resulted in it exceeding design load limits. This is a gotcha in any aircraft not just Airbuses. As for the Air France accident, information is unfortunately very thin as the Flight Data and Cockpit Voice recorders haven’t been located but the most likely cause was because of European made pitot tubes fitted at the time to Air France A330’s that had a know safety problem. All of Qantas’s A330’s as well as my own carrier’s have upgraded pitot tubes made by an American manufacturer that have a very good safety record.
The A330/340 has no more or less problems than any other airliner that has been in service for 15+ years.
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Mr Hamilton.
Letting a Channel 7 promo tempt you to change your plans puts you right up there in the 'Gullible Fool' stakes. Clearly you're part of the great unwashed and uninformed that advertising execs dream of.
Must dash - have to buy the latest worthless exercise machine from Danoz Direct. Mind you, since they all convieniently fold away for storage under my bed, things are getting cluttered. You'll know Tim - which is the best one to buy?
Letting a Channel 7 promo tempt you to change your plans puts you right up there in the 'Gullible Fool' stakes. Clearly you're part of the great unwashed and uninformed that advertising execs dream of.
Must dash - have to buy the latest worthless exercise machine from Danoz Direct. Mind you, since they all convieniently fold away for storage under my bed, things are getting cluttered. You'll know Tim - which is the best one to buy?
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I don’t think the report said this Titan It may of said it contributed to the catastrophic failure of the tail.
American Airlines say that they were never . . .informed by Airbus that they could not do double rudder reversals in the A-300 ..
If you did it in say a Boeing- 767/777 under the same circumstances, I do not think the same thing would happen – aircraft break up.
The reason Airbus adopted Carbon fiber tails is - to save weight and the airlines can carry more passengers. It is a “Commercial” not a engineering consideration.
American Airlines say that they were never . . .informed by Airbus that they could not do double rudder reversals in the A-300 ..
If you did it in say a Boeing- 767/777 under the same circumstances, I do not think the same thing would happen – aircraft break up.
The reason Airbus adopted Carbon fiber tails is - to save weight and the airlines can carry more passengers. It is a “Commercial” not a engineering consideration.
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You Boys seen to have blind faith in this aircraft but I suppose the DC-10 drivers did also when they went into service with all their design faults ...
An open mind is ALWAYS, a good thing.
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An open mind is ALWAYS, a good thing.
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I think we all have to consider the possibility of a journalist fishing for some info here for a follow up story on Monday!
Remember not everyone who posts on PPrune is involved in aviation...
Tim:
I think you will find that Boeing issued a operational bulletin shortly after the investigation into the Airbus crash that stated that rapid rudder reversals were not part of the design criteria and could lead to structural failure in Boeing aircraft.
To quote from the tech bulletin
If you did it in say a Boeing- 767/777 under the same circumstances, I do not think the same thing would happen – aircraft break up.
To quote from the tech bulletin
A full or nearly full authority rudder reversal as the aeroplane reaches an "over yaw" sideslip angle may be beyond the structural design limits of the aeroplane. There are no Boeing flight Flight Crew procedures that would require this type of rudder input.
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Airbus - the Hyundai of the sky.
as for the A330, they have been around long enough to have any design flaw show its head.
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If you did it in say a Boeing- 767/777 under the same circumstances, I do not think the same thing would happen – aircraft break up.
Im sick of people buying the crap that comes out of the media. Do your research and come to a conclusion with your own findings. Stop being told what to think and think for yourself!
Tim Hamilton
Blind faith in the A330? No. I base my opinion on an aircraft from a technical point of view, not some media beaten up emotional point of view. You asked for an A330 pilot’s point of view and I gave it. I’ve been flying it now for 9 years and know the aircraft very well. It has its faults but it is a safe aircraft period. Unlike the DC10 which had a series of accidents caused by design faults with the cargo door locking mechanism not long after entry into service, the A330/340 has been in service for 15 years and has an excellent safety record.
It is a fact that aircraft aren’t designed or tested for rapid rudder reversal. I have read the American Airlines accident in detail and this is what caused the accident and as Capt Snafu has pointed out Boeing has also said its aircraft aren’t designed for this type of control input and could lead to structural failure.
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As others have said I suspect Tim Hamilton is the media.
Blind faith in the A330? No. I base my opinion on an aircraft from a technical point of view, not some media beaten up emotional point of view. You asked for an A330 pilot’s point of view and I gave it. I’ve been flying it now for 9 years and know the aircraft very well. It has its faults but it is a safe aircraft period. Unlike the DC10 which had a series of accidents caused by design faults with the cargo door locking mechanism not long after entry into service, the A330/340 has been in service for 15 years and has an excellent safety record.
It is a fact that aircraft aren’t designed or tested for rapid rudder reversal. I have read the American Airlines accident in detail and this is what caused the accident and as Capt Snafu has pointed out Boeing has also said its aircraft aren’t designed for this type of control input and could lead to structural failure.
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As others have said I suspect Tim Hamilton is the media.
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A press snoop
This was T Hamilton's only post prior to this thread. Work it out.
http://www.pprune.org/4974883-post6.html
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so what exactly were the problems with the DC-10 that made them "unsafe" Ralph N.? plane hits Mt Erebus, engine falls off due maintenance, uncontained engine failure knocks out controls, Paris [not good]....hardly a poor record.
The 59 KC-10's still pumping gas for warfighters don't seem to have problems.
Airbus is in my opinion the Leyland P-76 of aircraft but look at the devlpment of nearlt every post WW2 airliner and they had a few issues to deal with...
The 59 KC-10's still pumping gas for warfighters don't seem to have problems.
Airbus is in my opinion the Leyland P-76 of aircraft but look at the devlpment of nearlt every post WW2 airliner and they had a few issues to deal with...
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"Airbus is in my opinion the Leyland P-76 of aircraft" - TBM Legend.
Yerr but the P-76 didn't go into un-commanded dives - at any time
Airbus and the airlines STILL can't work out why the A-330 is faulty/doing this.
Its a dud !! same as the P-76. Its only good thing is it makes money for the airline but - for how much longer.
I will stick to my proven B738
Yerr but the P-76 didn't go into un-commanded dives - at any time
Airbus and the airlines STILL can't work out why the A-330 is faulty/doing this.
Its a dud !! same as the P-76. Its only good thing is it makes money for the airline but - for how much longer.
I will stick to my proven B738
