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Allow me to expand a little. This is based on the assumption too that what has been said about a particular airline having its staff pay for parking at an AIRPORT is true.
I can't imagine any Qantas, Ansett, Cathay etc pilot ever agreeing to a having to pay for parking at an airport.
However, if true a new LCC is doing exactly that, no doubt it helps pay for $9 tickets that no airline business can sustain. The other thing that helps that is employing fewer people at lower rates. Aircraft costs/Fuel/Nav charges/Taxes don't change between airlines, the only place to save costs is through T and Cs
It may be a small thing, but its just another lap on the way down. Paying for uniforms to paying for your own endorsement after having paid for all your own training in the first place.
The accountants who run airlines now must laugh over beers and wines every day.
On a practical point too most people who pay for parking work in towns where there are workable options of public transport or parking and walking a distance and probably have normal working hours. None of which apply at any Australian airport.
Is it a whinge, you bet.
Am I doing something about it....yep, well maybe.
Not a dig at any one airline either, there all guilty. Look at the big Q, no dividend but give the out going CEO 11plus million for leaving the place in a condition that seems to require the new CEO to make many changes.
Back to searching the web for a new direction....
Allow me to expand a little. This is based on the assumption too that what has been said about a particular airline having its staff pay for parking at an AIRPORT is true.
I can't imagine any Qantas, Ansett, Cathay etc pilot ever agreeing to a having to pay for parking at an airport.
However, if true a new LCC is doing exactly that, no doubt it helps pay for $9 tickets that no airline business can sustain. The other thing that helps that is employing fewer people at lower rates. Aircraft costs/Fuel/Nav charges/Taxes don't change between airlines, the only place to save costs is through T and Cs
It may be a small thing, but its just another lap on the way down. Paying for uniforms to paying for your own endorsement after having paid for all your own training in the first place.
The accountants who run airlines now must laugh over beers and wines every day.
On a practical point too most people who pay for parking work in towns where there are workable options of public transport or parking and walking a distance and probably have normal working hours. None of which apply at any Australian airport.
Is it a whinge, you bet.
Am I doing something about it....yep, well maybe.
Not a dig at any one airline either, there all guilty. Look at the big Q, no dividend but give the out going CEO 11plus million for leaving the place in a condition that seems to require the new CEO to make many changes.
Back to searching the web for a new direction....
I'd love to be corrected, but I don't know of any full time airport staff that pay for airport parking. That includes security, cleaners, food & beverage staff, airside workers, police, airport management, airline management, etc. But if you're a GoKat pilot..
Quote:For ~105K an FO can upgrade alot quicker than say the Virgin or Qantas. Some have found themselves Command with no prior jet experience in under 18 months.
Not all about $$$, I don't see the point in bagging their T&Cs, to my understanding its very comparable to Jetstar and probably a tad lower than say VB, but with the perks mentioned above. If you dont like it, don't apply, coz Tiger certainly have no shortage of applications on their desks.
Dont Jetstar and VB make you pay for endo too? (whether salary sacrafice or not).
I am amazed that all anybody ever thinks about is jumping into the Left Hand Seat..... DO you think an FO that has no prior jet time would be a suitable Captain in 12-18 months?....in order to become a good captain it takes plenty of experience and in order to gain this it takes time.
Everybody is in such a rush to do so that they are forgetting one of the very reasons we ALL became airline pilots...LIFESTYLE !!!!! in order to live a decent one you must earn good money.....
I for one would rather buy a case of beer with my money as opposed to paying to park a car that I cant afford because I took a job with such poor conditions
Not all about $$$, I don't see the point in bagging their T&Cs, to my understanding its very comparable to Jetstar and probably a tad lower than say VB, but with the perks mentioned above. If you dont like it, don't apply, coz Tiger certainly have no shortage of applications on their desks.
Dont Jetstar and VB make you pay for endo too? (whether salary sacrafice or not).
I am amazed that all anybody ever thinks about is jumping into the Left Hand Seat..... DO you think an FO that has no prior jet time would be a suitable Captain in 12-18 months?....in order to become a good captain it takes plenty of experience and in order to gain this it takes time.
Everybody is in such a rush to do so that they are forgetting one of the very reasons we ALL became airline pilots...LIFESTYLE !!!!! in order to live a decent one you must earn good money.....
I for one would rather buy a case of beer with my money as opposed to paying to park a car that I cant afford because I took a job with such poor conditions
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WTF? Paying for parking? Tiger and Jetstar pilots really have to pay for parking or is this a windup? What sort of dollars are they looking at per year?
One of my mates sons works at Hungry Jacks at the airport and gets free parking! lol!
One of my mates sons works at Hungry Jacks at the airport and gets free parking! lol!
What's all this about car parking?
I haven't driven my car to work in over a year.
Gotta love those "legacy airline" EBAs.
I haven't driven my car to work in over a year.
Gotta love those "legacy airline" EBAs.
Australian-based Cathay Pacific pilots have to pay for their own airport parking. I guess that's what happens when you work for a company run by Scotsmen and Chinese!
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What's so good about no overnights anyway?
Day in, day out drive to work, flog around doing 4 sectors thru all our wonderful third world airspace and airports...then turn up the next day to do it all again. I suppose you do get to spend every night with the misus and kids (if you have them), but jeez....is that a good thing? 365 days a year?
Doing a decent days flying, then following it with a few cold ones, and maybe a steak (or satay!) in some exotic location, is one of the rewards of being an airline pilot, I would have thought.
Day in, day out drive to work, flog around doing 4 sectors thru all our wonderful third world airspace and airports...then turn up the next day to do it all again. I suppose you do get to spend every night with the misus and kids (if you have them), but jeez....is that a good thing? 365 days a year?
Doing a decent days flying, then following it with a few cold ones, and maybe a steak (or satay!) in some exotic location, is one of the rewards of being an airline pilot, I would have thought.
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"The accountants who run airlines now must laugh over beers and wines every day."
Accountants don't run airlines...General Managers, the CEO, the Board, executive VPs, etc...all those people with fancy titles who get paid 1000 times more than the average australian...THATS who runs the airlines, not accountants.
Not sticking up for accountants...just telling it like it is.
Accountants don't run airlines...General Managers, the CEO, the Board, executive VPs, etc...all those people with fancy titles who get paid 1000 times more than the average australian...THATS who runs the airlines, not accountants.
Not sticking up for accountants...just telling it like it is.
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Maybe what it comes down to is, will Tiger throw a good staff Christmas party?
The Tiger website careers page plainly says they're looking for direct entry captains.
The word is "queue". A "cue" is a pointy stick used when playing billiards.
What are you suggesting then, Joe? All pilots (in the world) will ban Tiger Airways and not fly for them?
What do you suggest is done about this cycle you mention?
Or are you merely trying to help people make up their minds by pointing out all that?
What? Too good to be an FO?? Get in the que like everybody else Sonny Jim!
The word is "queue". A "cue" is a pointy stick used when playing billiards.
Great....Then what?
Go overseas to earn a decent living...and when you're sick of that...
...Perpetuate the cycle.
Or sick days...or holidays...or a parking spot...or a company uniform...or adequate sustenance...or...
Go overseas to earn a decent living...and when you're sick of that...
...Perpetuate the cycle.
Or sick days...or holidays...or a parking spot...or a company uniform...or adequate sustenance...or...
What do you suggest is done about this cycle you mention?
Or are you merely trying to help people make up their minds by pointing out all that?
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Does anyone know more details with the annual leave?
• 25 days annual leave per year are the 5 in every 15 days OFF (minimum) included with annual leave bit like an office worker that works in 5 days blocks with 2 days off. Hence bringing the leave up to more like 5 weeks.
• 25 days annual leave per year are the 5 in every 15 days OFF (minimum) included with annual leave bit like an office worker that works in 5 days blocks with 2 days off. Hence bringing the leave up to more like 5 weeks.
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Cunning Stunt,
Yeah and in Brisbane they do to, thats why I am curious whether this is actually true or a few fools telling porkies! If you commute then thats fair enough but do any Jetstar or GoKat pilots pay for parking in their own base? I doubt it, although I have been surprised before!
Yeah and in Brisbane they do to, thats why I am curious whether this is actually true or a few fools telling porkies! If you commute then thats fair enough but do any Jetstar or GoKat pilots pay for parking in their own base? I doubt it, although I have been surprised before!
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As for geeenslopes-pilots aren't all the same as most people so please refrain from comparing my to other types of employment and profession.It takes a lot of effort to get to where I am or should I have chosen to work in the city in marketing and resent achievers instead?
Do bring on the MPL, the macc's of the sky until they start dropping out of the sky.I do wonder why SQ spend gazzilions on lear training after ab-inito?Look at Adam air's training and way of inflight management.Short term gain long term loss is the way of the MPL.
Latent failure in the making.
Do bring on the MPL, the macc's of the sky until they start dropping out of the sky.I do wonder why SQ spend gazzilions on lear training after ab-inito?Look at Adam air's training and way of inflight management.Short term gain long term loss is the way of the MPL.
Latent failure in the making.
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What are you suggesting then, Joe? All pilots (in the world) will ban Tiger Airways and not fly for them?
What do you suggest is done about this cycle you mention?
Or are you merely trying to help people make up their minds by pointing out all that?
What do you suggest is done about this cycle you mention?
Or are you merely trying to help people make up their minds by pointing out all that?
As unpopular as the truth may be, the reason why airline pay & conditions have gone down hill in this country is due largely to returning expats.
Cue circus music
Cashed up expats wanting to return home at all costs have accepted lower conditions than the median (because they can afford to).
This in turn has created a new norm in Pay & Conditions (lower).
Therefore if an Australian Pilot wishes to be cashed up they are forced to go overseas.
These new cashed up expats will eventually want to return home at all costs and can afford to except lower conditions than the median because they are cashed up.
This in turn creates a new norm in Pay & Conditions (lower)....
The cycle only stops when the Pay & Cond are so bad that no-one wants to live here........ Like New Zealand
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Cashed up expats wanting to return home at all costs have accepted lower conditions than the median (because they can afford to).
I don't really blame anyone for taking a job flying a shiny jet for around 100K a year when they are probably flying some death trap for half that.
Doing a decent days flying, then following it with a few cold ones, and maybe a steak (or satay!) in some exotic location, is one of the rewards of being an airline pilot, I would have thought.
Of course there's always longhaul where you can spend your 36hrs off recovering from jet lag and preparing for the next 14hr leg
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I am amazed that all anybody ever thinks about is jumping into the Left Hand Seat..... DO you think an FO that has no prior jet time would be a suitable Captain in 12-18 months?....in order to become a good captain it takes plenty of experience and in order to gain this it takes time.
What's so good about no overnights anyway?
I think you will find that the likes of Tiger, VB and Jestar have a lot more( relatively ) low time pilots with stars in their eyes than cashed up expats, in Tigers case proven by the fact they need DECs.