Ansett gone .......but ?
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With all due respect for the victims of Sept. 11, it actually helped me when AN collapsed. I fully realised that what I was going through was nothing in comparison, and at least I had an opportunity to start again...which I did.
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"Who cares what or who caused Ansett's demise? "
Ahhh, a lot of people mate, a lot.
Your comment is hurtfull to all involved. Maybe that was your intention?
If so, why? What did we do to you?
Ahhh, a lot of people mate, a lot.
Your comment is hurtfull to all involved. Maybe that was your intention?
If so, why? What did we do to you?
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What have you to done to us (non AN people)? Well if I hear "This is the way we did it at Ansett" again I am going to snot someone!
There are other ways you know ........
No disrespect meant to any individual or the Old Airline but PLEASE stop saying it!
There are other ways you know ........
No disrespect meant to any individual or the Old Airline but PLEASE stop saying it!
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Yeah, drives me nuts too.
This is how we did it at QF
This is how we did it at EK
This is how we did it at SQ
This is how we did at at . . . . .Yep, AN.
Do you think its an "ex AN" thing or just an "ex other airline" thing?
BTW, I would love to know who you currently fly for James?
This is how we did it at QF
This is how we did it at EK
This is how we did it at SQ
This is how we did at at . . . . .Yep, AN.
Do you think its an "ex AN" thing or just an "ex other airline" thing?
BTW, I would love to know who you currently fly for James?
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AnQrKa
You provided great service, always freindly cabin crew and mostly ran on time.
Ansett was a great airline. Remember it as that.
Playing the blame game is not going to brink AN back to life. All the "what if this had happened" or "that had happened" or this should have happened and SQ should have been allowed to do this, that or the other thing.
If Aunty had had aggetts she would have been Uncle!
Build that bridge Mate and fast, life's too short to bemoan the past.
What did we do to you?
Ansett was a great airline. Remember it as that.
Playing the blame game is not going to brink AN back to life. All the "what if this had happened" or "that had happened" or this should have happened and SQ should have been allowed to do this, that or the other thing.
If Aunty had had aggetts she would have been Uncle!
Build that bridge Mate and fast, life's too short to bemoan the past.
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Do you think its an "ex AN" thing or just an "ex other airline" thing?
When Compass began operations, as anyone here should know it was a completely new Airline and started from scratch, I got so sick of hearing but this is how we did it at....... mainly QF and EW.
Just human nature I suppose, people get used to doing something one way.
What have you to done to us (non AN people)? Well if I hear "This is the way we did it at Ansett" again I am going to snot someone!
I have to say, in observation of the contemporary standards of Australian airline pilots. Ansett was very good in areas of technical knowledge and flying ability.
Maybe the job was worth putting some effort into?
I"m not ex AN, but proudly ex TN, and now, through no fault of my own a Q(w)anchor. I miss what we both had.
The formation flying from A to B, the overnights, the comaraderie, the mutual respect, we'll never see that again. I know things have to change, but it really was the best of times. Something our cadets, (young & old, but mostly old), will never understand nor appreciate.
Best wishes, good luck and safe flying to all ex AN folk
The formation flying from A to B, the overnights, the comaraderie, the mutual respect, we'll never see that again. I know things have to change, but it really was the best of times. Something our cadets, (young & old, but mostly old), will never understand nor appreciate.
Best wishes, good luck and safe flying to all ex AN folk
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Ansett was very good in areas of technical knowledge and flying ability.
When you reveal you're ex-An to the guys you're about to depart on a 6 day trip with, that strange look they give you isn't one of admiration...it's the dawning realization that it's going to be a loooong trip, filled with anecdotes of 350kt descents/the fat man/the 3holer/the bodgie/how(insert airline here) is not a patch on Ansett/I was a capt with Ansett/ I nearly was a capt with Ansett/this is how we did it etc
Time to give it a rest boys.
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Reeltime,
Yep, cos you QF guys are all aces and a QF 744 cockpit is a joyfull place to be.
NOT!!!!
Your comment is indicative of a culture that fears outsiders.
99% of QF pilots are single airline guys who have no other experience with which to compare.
Outsiders, be they from AN or Mars airlines, are difficult to deal with because they have a different perspective that you have never considered.
Yep, cos you QF guys are all aces and a QF 744 cockpit is a joyfull place to be.
NOT!!!!
Your comment is indicative of a culture that fears outsiders.
99% of QF pilots are single airline guys who have no other experience with which to compare.
Outsiders, be they from AN or Mars airlines, are difficult to deal with because they have a different perspective that you have never considered.
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The QF guys I have flown with in 2 airlines have all been good guys but bring with them some totally outdated SOP's and procedures etc. And yes, they cant help but big note all things QF. Its the same with anyone from another airline.
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Qanchor, like you I was a proud TNer but these young blokes don't understand, and why should they, their turn will come soon enough. Like you I miss the mates, flying around on Sat arvo picking up the footy scores, telling some bullsh%t story to the CNS refuellers and seeing if we could beat it back to MEL, and see how it had changed, the steaks at the "Breaky Creek" before they became upmarket, the food at "Phil the Greeks" in DRW and then on to the Officers Mess at the DRW Base and a few at the "Hitching Post". The Great Australian Air Race between the two airlines and the sledging that went with it, it was all bloody good fun, then came 89 and the fun stopped, and we went overseas, and became serious, and then came home after some time and joined QF and it became even more serious, and you sat up in a 747 and looked at where you used to push back and remembered the banter between the LAMES and your crew, the beautiful aircraft you used to fly (especially the 9) and looked at your slides where now sat 2 bars instead of 4 and you thought "what the fcuk" what happened, but would you swap it probably not, the last bit perhaps but not the first, so cheers to all AN and TN people out there, you were part of history of this great country, that no knocker can take away, no other airline can replace, the memories that cannot be destroyed, we were the lucky ones, Amen.
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I was a humble groundhog Teresa, but all you say rings true.
Those that knock now do not know an Airline that stood beside them instead of one that stands behind them with a knife in hand.
The old TN days were just as good as the EW days, and I would not trade the time with either Airline for anything.
If you don't get a tear in your eye when an aeroplane you have worked on departs for the last time then you just don't get it.
It's a "legacy Airline thing - you wouldn't understand".
Best all
EWL
Those that knock now do not know an Airline that stood beside them instead of one that stands behind them with a knife in hand.
The old TN days were just as good as the EW days, and I would not trade the time with either Airline for anything.
If you don't get a tear in your eye when an aeroplane you have worked on departs for the last time then you just don't get it.
It's a "legacy Airline thing - you wouldn't understand".
Best all
EWL
Therein lies the problem; ex-An pilots don't think they're good..they 'know' it.
Why do you hang out on an ex-AN thread BTW?
89 as a special case aside. Some former colleagues were bemused at the bitterness experienced at a foreign airline toward ex-AN pilots by incumbent Australian expatriates. It took a little while to find out they were unsuccessful in their AN applications. On multiple occasions.
AN was a simple process and we are sorry you missed out. An interview to ensure you were OK on overnights and a 727 sim ride to ensure you could be trained.
I have moved on and am probably better off for it. Peeves me though, that people with no association with AN want to begrudge you for having pleasant memories.
And it is nice to have flown a jet airline the old AN/TN way. A very solid grounding I am thankful to the prior generations for.
short flights long nights
Until the day I left...that day in 89..best job ever in AN. I miss it all every part of it..or, at least, what is was then. Every time I do a MEL overnight now and see the old Astrojet Centre.. I think of my initial interview there..(and the nervous night before NOT sleeping next door at once was the Travelodge)
I think of the interview sim ride in the 727 (God I wish I had flown it for real)..and the day I got the telegram(yes they were still in use) to say "Ansett is pleased to offer you a course starting..."
The best days of my life.......
I think of the interview sim ride in the 727 (God I wish I had flown it for real)..and the day I got the telegram(yes they were still in use) to say "Ansett is pleased to offer you a course starting..."
The best days of my life.......
I remember travelling on an Ansett B727 BNE-CNS 1n the 1990s. That was when airline travel was an experience, not the bus trip it is today. Of course the fare was alot higher, luckily someone else was paying.
Would have been a great job flying for a real airline, good pay and conditions, reasonable flying hours decent benefits. I'm going to work later today and have just packed my own lunch because the company won't even give us a cup of coffee, I'm getting very close to my monthly flying hour limit as well. Shouldn't complain though with over half my pay dependent on how much flying I do.
I had my application in with Ansett and remember ATC sympathising with the crew as they cleared them to land during the days when the aircraft were being returned to base. Brief period of hope during the Tesna days then all over.
Got to fly with a few ex Ansett pilots since then and yes the phrase "That's not how we did things at Ansett." did get on a few peoples nerves.
So many things brought about the downfall, external factors beyond it's control, poor management, inability to change with the times. Had they kept going major changes would have been needed to compete with Tiger/Jetstar.
Low cost airlines just concentrate on offering the cheapest fares that's it, suits alot of people. Full service need to, have enough people prepared to pay more for something better, keep the fares attractive vs low cost and still make a profit doing it. Not so easy.
Could Ansett with its bloated overheads, poor fleet mix (A320 and B737), poor management, high costs and strong unions compete against lean operators with a brand new single type fleet, non or little union representation and much reduced pay and conditions ? I doubt it
Ansett goes down in history with other legacy airlines from the good days of air travel. This job isn't what it used to be.
Would have been a great job flying for a real airline, good pay and conditions, reasonable flying hours decent benefits. I'm going to work later today and have just packed my own lunch because the company won't even give us a cup of coffee, I'm getting very close to my monthly flying hour limit as well. Shouldn't complain though with over half my pay dependent on how much flying I do.
I had my application in with Ansett and remember ATC sympathising with the crew as they cleared them to land during the days when the aircraft were being returned to base. Brief period of hope during the Tesna days then all over.
Got to fly with a few ex Ansett pilots since then and yes the phrase "That's not how we did things at Ansett." did get on a few peoples nerves.
So many things brought about the downfall, external factors beyond it's control, poor management, inability to change with the times. Had they kept going major changes would have been needed to compete with Tiger/Jetstar.
Low cost airlines just concentrate on offering the cheapest fares that's it, suits alot of people. Full service need to, have enough people prepared to pay more for something better, keep the fares attractive vs low cost and still make a profit doing it. Not so easy.
Could Ansett with its bloated overheads, poor fleet mix (A320 and B737), poor management, high costs and strong unions compete against lean operators with a brand new single type fleet, non or little union representation and much reduced pay and conditions ? I doubt it
Ansett goes down in history with other legacy airlines from the good days of air travel. This job isn't what it used to be.
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Yes many pleasant memories, I still remember like it was yesterday (they say that happens when you get old) the arrival of the very first B727, and also the very first DC9, at Essendon.
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OBIE
"Ansett was a great airline up to 1989.
Ansett was a poor airline after 1989.
Ansett folded in 2000.
Ansett is gone and Ansett is now forgotten.
QED!"
should read
"Obie a real dumb fwit pre 1989.
Obie a total dumb fwit post 1989.
Obie gone in 1989.
Obie is now forgotten but the smell is still there"
QED!"
your a funny dude Alex P
god bless ya
"Ansett was a great airline up to 1989.
Ansett was a poor airline after 1989.
Ansett folded in 2000.
Ansett is gone and Ansett is now forgotten.
QED!"
should read
"Obie a real dumb fwit pre 1989.
Obie a total dumb fwit post 1989.
Obie gone in 1989.
Obie is now forgotten but the smell is still there"
QED!"
your a funny dude Alex P
god bless ya
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Obie = AP
Awesome.
hey obie, could you update the list please. Its so important and relevant but its full of mistakes. A few guys "slipped under the wire"
Ahhhahhhhaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Awesome.
hey obie, could you update the list please. Its so important and relevant but its full of mistakes. A few guys "slipped under the wire"
Ahhhahhhhaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.