Qantas S.I.T. Forced Transfers Ballot
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There's nothing "fair" about the whole process...
At the end of the day it will be the younger, less experienced guys that are the targets. I know I'd rather go over to Servicing because I had the least years of service than go over as the guy that was voted out by my peers or from the bottom some performance based scale.
At the end of the day it will be the younger, less experienced guys that are the targets. I know I'd rather go over to Servicing because I had the least years of service than go over as the guy that was voted out by my peers or from the bottom some performance based scale.
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It would suck being the LAME that "waited in line for promotion" but you'd probably find the guy that is new to the section may have "waited in line" in his previous section to get to the SIT. Or he may have "waited in line" to get the OS posting he recently returned from. Maybe he was "waiting in line" over in Major Maint before they closed it down.
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The initial 12 will be followed by more, possible a grand total of 30 people to move from the SIT...this is just the beginning..
It appears official that OJK, OJH, OED and another 744 are going to be retired from service, therfore diminishing S.I.T. operations further, because the A380 will be replacing those 4 aircraft. As A380 is not integrated with S.I.T. operations, there won't be the need for those "surplus" 744 engineers at the terminal, so they may be herded over to Base or even A380.
That is where the extra will go. The figure of 12 is n ot final, just the beginning.
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more sit lames to go to base
I was down at my local shops today when I bumped into a guy I used to work with at EOC,He has it on good authority that the Engine Line guys
who want to be redeployed will go to Base so the guys at Base can go to the Team 380,not the original plan as the Engine Line guys were to go to
Team 380.He said the guys at Base had a whinge.Fair enough
I think 12 lames to Base from SIT is just the start with more to come as the 744 fleet deminishes.As well as Domestics short on staff as well.
I have been a lame at the SIT for some years,I guess party time at the SIT is coming to an end.
who want to be redeployed will go to Base so the guys at Base can go to the Team 380,not the original plan as the Engine Line guys were to go to
Team 380.He said the guys at Base had a whinge.Fair enough
I think 12 lames to Base from SIT is just the start with more to come as the 744 fleet deminishes.As well as Domestics short on staff as well.
I have been a lame at the SIT for some years,I guess party time at the SIT is coming to an end.
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While the smart thing to do would be to train some guys up at the SIT on the 380 then, there would be no need to move people and not have a whole lot of guys sitting around H96 with multiple licenses that aren't being used. Simple fix would be wait till the next two elephants too arrive then there is no more deliveries for over a year and re-integrate it back to normal ops. i.e line ops handled by SIT and 'A' checks handled by base that way everyone learns the new aircraft technology and no-one gets put out of place. Funny thing is the first one is prob due for a 'C' check in the next 12 months and I don't think there is too many places out there to do it.
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has anyone ever suggested a seniority based number for LAME's such as the pilots use? #1 is the longest serving as a LAME, followed right to the newest AME to come across. This sovles alot of problems; Its transperant, training to go down the line???? Then things such as this becomes totally according to your seniority, just like pilot training. just a thought....
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Empire it's been suggested many a time but is always disregarded by management as a discrimantory system (how laughable as the system they employ is precisely discrimantory - only the suckholes get promoted).
Guys wake up this management is failing us and the business and making YOU BELIEVE it's your fault WAKE UP they cannot sack you if you say NO.
There are many reasons for this failing but here's a start
(A) All are wannabees, self promoting, veneer thin of content with little to offer but empty promises and veiled threats
(B) Despite their own self funded claims have very little real time experience ie doing the hard yards of shiftwork most weaseled their way out early taking manager or supervisiory jobs very early in their career then built their way up by undermining others.
(C) None have provided worth or valued input into any of the business areas they have fronted look at the degradation of Base, SIT, Maint Watch, the TEAM A380 debacle, Melbourne merger, Melbourne Heavy Maint, outbase erosion. HAVE YOU GUYS FORGOTTEN WHAT JV DID TO SYDNEY HEAVY ALREADY ? !!!! In fact all of those businesses have suffered not from the 'EBA' or union efforts but simply from management stupidity which is covered up by lies and more management stupidity
(D) They could not beat the men during the dispute so they seek to undermine members terms and conditions by removing external contracts and purporting the 'need' to rebuild the business "You guys need to embrace the future and change your shifts so we can get you more work, please help us plot your own demise"
Gavin stood before us and said that there would be 290 course placements and licence training by years end with less than 4 months to go hes got at least 200 people to train
How many have been trained in SYD ?
How many have been trained in MEL ?
How many have been trained in BNE ?
How many have been trained in ADL ?
How many have been trained in PER ?
How many have been trained in CNS ?
How many have been trained in AVV ?
How many have been trained in MEL HVY ?
How many have been trained in BNE HVY ?
How many have been trained in DRW ?
I say we say NO to any more change until they listen and provide us ALL with equal access to training (For ALL trades), a fair way to aportion it, increased manpower so we can actually take the hundreds of years of leave that is is owed to us..........................
Stand up, Stand up for your rights...................NOW
Guys wake up this management is failing us and the business and making YOU BELIEVE it's your fault WAKE UP they cannot sack you if you say NO.
There are many reasons for this failing but here's a start
(A) All are wannabees, self promoting, veneer thin of content with little to offer but empty promises and veiled threats
(B) Despite their own self funded claims have very little real time experience ie doing the hard yards of shiftwork most weaseled their way out early taking manager or supervisiory jobs very early in their career then built their way up by undermining others.
(C) None have provided worth or valued input into any of the business areas they have fronted look at the degradation of Base, SIT, Maint Watch, the TEAM A380 debacle, Melbourne merger, Melbourne Heavy Maint, outbase erosion. HAVE YOU GUYS FORGOTTEN WHAT JV DID TO SYDNEY HEAVY ALREADY ? !!!! In fact all of those businesses have suffered not from the 'EBA' or union efforts but simply from management stupidity which is covered up by lies and more management stupidity
(D) They could not beat the men during the dispute so they seek to undermine members terms and conditions by removing external contracts and purporting the 'need' to rebuild the business "You guys need to embrace the future and change your shifts so we can get you more work, please help us plot your own demise"
Gavin stood before us and said that there would be 290 course placements and licence training by years end with less than 4 months to go hes got at least 200 people to train
How many have been trained in SYD ?
How many have been trained in MEL ?
How many have been trained in BNE ?
How many have been trained in ADL ?
How many have been trained in PER ?
How many have been trained in CNS ?
How many have been trained in AVV ?
How many have been trained in MEL HVY ?
How many have been trained in BNE HVY ?
How many have been trained in DRW ?
I say we say NO to any more change until they listen and provide us ALL with equal access to training (For ALL trades), a fair way to aportion it, increased manpower so we can actually take the hundreds of years of leave that is is owed to us..........................
Stand up, Stand up for your rights...................NOW
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I say we say NO to any more change until they listen and provide us ALL with equal access to training (For ALL trades), a fair way to aportion it, increased manpower so we can actually take the hundreds of years of leave that is is owed to us..........................
There is nothing fair about the way training is distributed. You only have to take a look around and see which people have gotten training over the years and which haven't. Then with all that training, they're now on A380 leaving their last section short of licences (S.I.T. comes to mind). How do our management address this issue? Diminish customer contracts to a point that we at S.I.T. are "overstaffed".
The bottom line is, aircraft will always need engineers on them. No matter how smart they are. In this case, the management doesn't really care who does it so long as it is done "cost effectively". Alan Joyce is no different to Dixon, only does it with a smile and an Irish accent.
Stand up, Stand up for your rights...................NOW
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Welcome back GR good to see your return to the pulpit after a long abscence ........ I want you to stand on your own two feet not live under the DMM/Managers desk as too many of our bretheren do these days.
QF94 we do not have to 'take it' we didn't during the 18 month fight for a reasonable payrise Is that struggle long forgotten so soon ?
The french created a new word during the war for those who 'assisted' the nazis 'Collaborator' during our war we coined an old word for these people 'Scab'. Today these pieces of dried skin infest Qantas Engineering management.
I may be old school, I may be set in my ways or I simply may be old but I will not forgive, I will not forget and I will certainly not assist them in running my brothers and I into extinction. If they are going to do it then they do it the hard way.
Sydney Heavy sank way too easily with JVs and KCs boots on their heads and all other sections turning a blind eye just praying the company did not turn it's eye upon them well it looks like SIT is next on the list, then MEL... will we again sit idly by ?
QF94 we do not have to 'take it' we didn't during the 18 month fight for a reasonable payrise Is that struggle long forgotten so soon ?
The french created a new word during the war for those who 'assisted' the nazis 'Collaborator' during our war we coined an old word for these people 'Scab'. Today these pieces of dried skin infest Qantas Engineering management.
I may be old school, I may be set in my ways or I simply may be old but I will not forgive, I will not forget and I will certainly not assist them in running my brothers and I into extinction. If they are going to do it then they do it the hard way.
Sydney Heavy sank way too easily with JVs and KCs boots on their heads and all other sections turning a blind eye just praying the company did not turn it's eye upon them well it looks like SIT is next on the list, then MEL... will we again sit idly by ?
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QF94 we do not have to 'take it' we didn't during the 18 month fight for a reasonable payrise Is that struggle long forgotten so soon ?
The french created a new word during the war for those who 'assisted' the nazis 'Collaborator' during our war we coined an old word for these people 'Scab'. Today these pieces of dried skin infest Qantas Engineering management.
I may be old school, I may be set in my ways or I simply may be old but I will not forgive, I will not forget and I will certainly not assist them in running my brothers and I into extinction. If they are going to do it then they do it the hard way.
The french created a new word during the war for those who 'assisted' the nazis 'Collaborator' during our war we coined an old word for these people 'Scab'. Today these pieces of dried skin infest Qantas Engineering management.
I may be old school, I may be set in my ways or I simply may be old but I will not forgive, I will not forget and I will certainly not assist them in running my brothers and I into extinction. If they are going to do it then they do it the hard way.
- They have least years within the company
- They have least years within the section
I have heard myself within S.I.T. some of the LAME's stating that everything else is based on years of service within the comapny, so should this compulsory transfer, and that is the way they are voting. As for myself, I have both years of service within the company and the section, and won't be affected by this move, but I do feel for the individuals who will be chosen.
I go back to my previous posting before yours. There are those that will sell their own mothers to save their own miserable hides, so selling a few LAME's means nothing to them so long as they can hold on to what they have at whatever cost, no matter the end result.
You can stand and fight all you wish, but when you have your own troops in the trenches with you letting off grenades, you're not only up against management firing at you, but some of your own colleagues. This is the sad but true reality.
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Not the first time we've had scabs in the trenches along side us 
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Against all odds we came through last time with a bit of integrity and backbone WHILST THE FEW UNDERMINED.
I hope we learnt we achieved a better outcome for ALL for the LONG TERM term, which far exceeded the alternative that the scabs were willing to sellout for for 6 months and $100 000.
DUMB SCABS.
Why not make BASE a better place?
.Against all odds we came through last time with a bit of integrity and backbone WHILST THE FEW UNDERMINED.
I hope we learnt we achieved a better outcome for ALL for the LONG TERM term, which far exceeded the alternative that the scabs were willing to sellout for for 6 months and $100 000.
DUMB SCABS.Why not make BASE a better place?
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Base
Base and SIT are very different worlds, with heavier and probably more involved work at Base than SIT - which attempts to clearing as much hold/MEL items as possible in limited ground time....At the end of the day, the problem isnt the SIT or Domestic or even Base Environment - its the uselss idiots they have put in as DMM's Operations Managers and Upper Management....these areas all work well, but with the Suckholes they have promoted, the credibility of each area has suffered and will continue for many years....as sad state of affairs compared to years ago when each area was a Star within engineering...
What's the Fix?
Tough Decisions need to be made! but they wont happen with these people as they are to scared to make any decisions! Job capability doesn't rest on your interview technique that's showing thru especially at the SIT!
Base and A380 haven't escaped either with losers being promoted out of their depth!
What's the Fix?
Tough Decisions need to be made! but they wont happen with these people as they are to scared to make any decisions! Job capability doesn't rest on your interview technique that's showing thru especially at the SIT!
Base and A380 haven't escaped either with losers being promoted out of their depth!
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It appears official that OJK, OJH, OED and another 744 are going to be retired from service, therfore diminishing S.I.T. operations further, because the A380 will be replacing those 4 aircraft.
Sure, SIT are immediately affected due to loss of contracts and the A380 taking on some routes, but as the 744's and 767's start retiring what about base maint? Will base have to start going through the same cr@p as the SIT?
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Members were asked:-
"If a situation arises within Qantas where transfers from one section to another are unavoidable, I would prefer the ALAEA request the following method of selection"
Two responses were offered and members were asked to select one of those responses. The number of votes for each response were as follows:-
Last in section, first out ……………………………….... 46
Least years of service with Qantas, first out ……………. 119
Invalid vote ……………………………………………… 1
Total Votes ……………………………………………… 166
"If a situation arises within Qantas where transfers from one section to another are unavoidable, I would prefer the ALAEA request the following method of selection"
Two responses were offered and members were asked to select one of those responses. The number of votes for each response were as follows:-
Last in section, first out ……………………………….... 46
Least years of service with Qantas, first out ……………. 119
Invalid vote ……………………………………………… 1
Total Votes ……………………………………………… 166
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Well Fed Sec, I suppose you would say "the members have spoken". Small turnout for the vote really, shows that alot of people thought the issue is to sensitive to vote on. Let the fighting begin, not going to be pretty. I really feel for those young blokes at the SIT, who most of them were top of there class during there apprenticeship and earned there job there and now they get shot in the face, while other members who are cruising for a VR retirement package get to waddle around like penguins all day.
What is the union's perspective on operational issue's? Is it fair that guys with the A330 get to stay and those who don't get moved, is there a case for discrimination due to the circumstance i.e "why did he get that aeroplane over me"??.
What is the union's perspective on operational issue's? Is it fair that guys with the A330 get to stay and those who don't get moved, is there a case for discrimination due to the circumstance i.e "why did he get that aeroplane over me"??.