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Old 13th Aug 2009, 05:14
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V Australia applies for access to FIJI

Interesting? V Australia applies for access to FIJI taking over Pacific Blue's capacity.

From what I have heard Pacific Blue needed more capacity on the route, hence the 777

Good or bad move?

http://www.iasc.gov.au/applications/files/4458.pdf
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Old 13th Aug 2009, 06:07
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I presume they will be taking advantage of aircraft sitting idle instead of chopping a route. I see one of their 777's sitting over at yssy international bays most days now.
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Yeah me too... Everyone must be going broke, because most days I see it next to an SQ380, an VA340, BA777 and sometimes TWO UA744's..!

On a more serious note... I was a bit surprised at their targeted market in Fiji (not that I know too much about it), but it always struck me as a more leisure route (to coyne the now common Qantas Group phrase).

I would have expected Narita or the like to be the first medium haul port to be honest - especially after Bransen's impromptue announcement that V would be flying to Japan!

Will be good to get the airframe utilisation up though, so maybe thats why - Japan too far to fit into the time that the aircraft is on the ground between the VA2 and VA1 and NZ too saturated...
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Aren't PacBlue taking capacity out of the pacific area to do the Hamilton to Sydney/Brisbane operation. Perhaps this is to replace that capacity in some way
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Seems to make good business sense even if the revenue is for leisure priced tickets. Besides Fiji will probably give better yields than sending them to Auckland

Comments on forums suggest the route has good traffic and the political situation in Fiji is not making the news as much.

This will fills in idle time for the 773 while freeing up half a 738 (which once the current domestic/Tasman/NZ over capacity is corrected will be useful).

The economy is likely to be picking up by the time the 773 is deployed to Fiji.

The 773 has a good on board ambience which will position the group well

Lets people see V Aust as having a bit more of a network rather than being a one route carrier.

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Makes sense to me.

They're a group, and can deploy group assets to best (group) advantage.

The Trippler to Fiji will be too many Business Class seats, but the boost in Economy will work.

Especially if it maintains 777 hours and allows a 738 lease to expire without replacement. (No knowledge - just idle speculation)
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It's probably just range issues with the 777...I knew it was overated...
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Yeah Buster - fuel critical when sending the 777 to EF ONE JAY ONE using the APU ONLY
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They can fit in a Nandi return in between LA trips. Probably pays for it's self by not paying MacBank parking fees
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VB to go bust

I think VB, V Australia and PacBlue will be broke in 6 to 12 months
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Do you - fascinating.

And your astounding business acumen for such a blatant statement would be.................?
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Old 13th Aug 2009, 23:10
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You been reading the QF intranet work-4-it???
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Seem to recall the same thing being said 6 - 12 months ago!


Careful guys.....can see a wind-up!
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Any chance or word they will use the 777 domestically within Australia or is that not allowed?
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Using the 777 on domestic ops is allowed, it's just not cost efficient or sensible. The cost per seat/kilometre is WAY higher than a 738 and the facilities with regard to aerobridges and gate lounges is sorely lacking at most domestic ports in Australia. The Nadi flying is great for utilisization of the aircraft that otherwise sits on the ground between VA2 and VA1, but the big question remains where is the 4th aircraft gonna go? My bet is on Phuket and MEL-LAX. HND and JNB to come online with aircraft 5 (actually aircraft 7) in Q3 of 2010
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What about SYD-HNL? I think they would do quite well here, might make QF put that old 767 off the route.
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I think VB, V Australia and PacBlue will be broke in 6 to 12 months
We have heard os much about DJ over the last 12 months...

- They are paying cash for fuel
- They have 2 more weeks of operating
- Dead in 6 months...


we here we are a year later and they are still here..... time to move on!
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Needabiggerhammer

Oversubcribed. Yes but at 20c a share plenty of speculators out there. I put in a few grand hoping to double my money in a year or so. It was a gamble and I do think they will faulter. Oh well. You can't help bad luck. The 250 million they raised barley covers a new 777. For the sake of my 5 grand and all the employees I hope they don't.
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2,527 seats a week ex YSSY is a big ask and it could not be on a high yield - esp with PacWings and others wanting to give the route a run.

Would have thought that a more strategic move would have been to leave the current approval with PacBlue Australia and add the trippler as a second approval. - Rationale is the 777 covers the 'peak days' which coincide with the roll over of the 7 day/6 night accom pkgs that are dominant in Fiji - and the 737 for those days when the pax/freight load is smaller.

Question for V Drivers - will the crew do Nadi as a return or slip?
Could be a nice hop if there's a decent slip
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