Qantas fleet Choices:A Perspective
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'Dixon is no longer at the helm of Qantas, although he was indeed man enough to admit the 777 should have been in the fleet.'
He was also famous for stating "777's are old technology".
Funny the media never had a bad word to say about him when he was CEO.
Fortunately he didn't get his $60million for the take over deal. He 'only' walked away with $12mill in his final year. The guy is a crook.
He was also famous for stating "777's are old technology".
Funny the media never had a bad word to say about him when he was CEO.
Fortunately he didn't get his $60million for the take over deal. He 'only' walked away with $12mill in his final year. The guy is a crook.
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Premium Economy as well
Geoff Dixon also admitted that not introducing premium economy much, much earlier was a mistake. It beggars belief that an airline that carries the second tallest passengers in the western world the longest distances couldn't figure that one out.
Best GT
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Yes the timing with Premium Economy has been nothing short of brilliant!!!
Due to poor demand in the premium cabins, Premium Y seats are now being sold as economy and part of the business cabin sold as Premium Y.
At least it will keep some FFs happy in the meantime.
Due to poor demand in the premium cabins, Premium Y seats are now being sold as economy and part of the business cabin sold as Premium Y.
At least it will keep some FFs happy in the meantime.
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we now have Premium Economy and have had for some time
Our new slogan.
Yesterdays ideas tomorro or other airlines ideas next year.
happy flying boys and Girls
Ahh, the QF Tripler dream-thread has surfaced yet again....
A few negative and envious sentiments being uttered from the skippies as the Big Vee-Oz touches down 16R in front of "the audience" no doubt....
The Toulouse products are grrreat guys! Stick with it - You'll be bonza.....
BR
A few negative and envious sentiments being uttered from the skippies as the Big Vee-Oz touches down 16R in front of "the audience" no doubt....
The Toulouse products are grrreat guys! Stick with it - You'll be bonza.....
BR
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you need cash to fly them
The main point here is that it has been admitted by Darth that he should have ordered the 777 but he didn't....
He also said he should have introduced premium economy earlier as our competitors did....but he didn't.
That didn't stop Darth from accepting the nice bonus every year did it?
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What amazes me is that some 777s weren't squeezed out of Boeing as comp for the 787 delays.
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What amazes me is that some 777s weren't squeezed out of Boeing as comp for the 787 delays.
Something tells me though it 'aint as simple as grabbing a couple and sticking them on the pacific. You need ground support, tech support, spares, flight crew, AOC approval, ops manuals, fleet manager, trolley dollies and much more. A company like Qantas probably needs a few years to prepare to introduce a new type into its fleet.
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What amazes me is that some 777s weren't squeezed out of Boeing as comp for the 787 delays
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Hey SeldomF,
That is a truly BIG call. At a brief glance, some airlines that, according to you, shouldn't be operating are;
Aerolineas Argentinas
BMI
Finnair
Garuda International
Hawaiian Airlines
Iberia
Lan Chile
LOT Polish Airlines
Lufthansa
Olympic Airways
Philippine Airlines
SAS Airlines
South African Airways
Sri Lankan Airways
TAP Portugal
US Airways
Virgin Atlantic.
There are some pretty big, pretty old, pretty well run, pretty successful airlines amongst them.
That is a truly BIG call. At a brief glance, some airlines that, according to you, shouldn't be operating are;
Aerolineas Argentinas
BMI
Finnair
Garuda International
Hawaiian Airlines
Iberia
Lan Chile
LOT Polish Airlines
Lufthansa
Olympic Airways
Philippine Airlines
SAS Airlines
South African Airways
Sri Lankan Airways
TAP Portugal
US Airways
Virgin Atlantic.
There are some pretty big, pretty old, pretty well run, pretty successful airlines amongst them.
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I'd rather have aeroplanes flying regardless of what they are instead of pining over relatively old technology 777's.
Who else has said that.....let me think....of yeah...GD
Like a number of other competitors that also installed premium Y/C they also use the 777 and are making good money with it......
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The Dixon Years
If an honest and accurate Qantas history is ever written the Dixon years should be explained as a period of greed incompetence and lost opportunities.It will take Joyce and Clifford years to correct and unwind Dixons mess.
Not purchasing the tripler will haunt Qantas for many years to come.
The A380 on the other hand is not living up to expectations.It is an aircraft for the top of the aviation cycle.As has been previously mentioned it does not provide operational flexibility in times of downturn.
Where oh where is John(tubby)Ward?
Not purchasing the tripler will haunt Qantas for many years to come.
The A380 on the other hand is not living up to expectations.It is an aircraft for the top of the aviation cycle.As has been previously mentioned it does not provide operational flexibility in times of downturn.
Where oh where is John(tubby)Ward?
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More Grist To The Mill
Ben Sandilands Accompanied by the Virgin Blue alternative to the Qantas children's choir, Brett Godfrey reveals the name of the airline's long haul operation
Virgin Blue has really shown how it can punish Qantas for its absurd resistance to acquiring Boeing 777s.
The announced ‘phase two’ expansion of its V Australia fleet which rises to only four of these jets by December is going to be an enormous headache for Qantas.
And especially considering it holds orders or options for up to 13 Boeing 777-300ERs.
Qantas made two incredibly inept decisions concerning its fleet needs in recent years, in choosing to buy a large fleet of Boeing 787 Dreamliners, and not buying Boeing 777s.
In its defence, it was as easy a sell for the ‘plastic fantastic’ 787 sales pitch from Boeing as many other carriers, just more so considering the order peaked at 65 units and was recently trimmed to 50.
But when Geoff Dixon, then CEO, and Peter Gregg, then CFO, gloated over the wisdom of that deal in December 2005, their major competitors, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific and Emirates, saw clearly the merits of the latest versions of the 777 and swooped.
The 777 is a product of a Boeing that knew how to design airliners and deliver on its promises, not the latter day Boeing that spread a truly promising concept in the 787 far and wide among sub contractors and risk sharing partners, some of them unequal to a task that the new management of Boeing wasn’t effectively supervising anyhow.
Hobbled with an aging fleet that Qantas for a period neglected to even maintain in a clean and reliable manner, it p*ssed more than a billion dollars in excess fuel consumption into the wind by not having 777s in its fleet. Money it will never get back. The 777-300ER is the most fuel efficient 300-400 seat sized longer range airliner available until at least 2014 and perhaps well beyond.
Qantas lost. Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific and Emirates gained. And now V Australia is gaining too, even by using the 777s on routes that are really too short in some cases, such as to Phuket or Nadi, to deliver the best economics of the jet.
These short routes give V Australia the chance to play havoc against the likes of Jetstar or Air Pacific at times when the 777s would otherwise be idle between long haul flights, racking up parking fees at the major Australian airports.
Much the same way that Emirates punts its A380s and 777s across the Tasman daily to take advantage of the big cargo container market that Qantas and Air NZ neglect with their smaller single aisle jets, plus passengers as a bit more cream on top, rather than do nothing while waiting for the right time to fly back to Dubai.
Being optimised for long haul, the 777s also have much better economy class amenity than shorter haul jets (despite Emirates going for 10 across seating).
Anyone who is familiar with the crammed condition of economy class on a Qantas 747 to Johannesburg is going to be pleasantly surprised by a V Australia 777. The difference will be very noticeable over the 12-13 hour long flights.
Using 777s, V Australia will be able to offer very attractive alternatives over a range of shorter as well as longer haul flights, cutting across the territory of both Jetstar and the Qantas full service offerings.
This takes the Virgin Blue subsidiary out of its until now total exposure to the cut throat environment of the trans Pacific routes where the A380 does give Qantas a cost per seat per kilometre advantage, as well as an even nicer airliner. And it allows V Australia to diversify into markets where the giant Airbus is some years away from being a force, which it won’t become until sustained growth returns to international aviation.
And the Qantas answer to the 777, the slightly smaller 787, isn’t coming any day soon, maybe never. Qantas can use A330s very effectively over medium distances where that Airbus is the efficiency leader, but as it turns out, those who use the 777 against it in Asia, Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific and Emirates, also have large A330 fleets for just that reason. They have the long and medium haul routes covered with A330/777 strategies that eluded Qantas, to its costly disadvantage.
In fact out of its better equipped major competitors, Emirates is the largest A380, 777 and A330 operator in the world, with Singapore Airlines also flying large numbers of all three types.
On Wednesday Qantas has allowed extra time for its always important financial year results announcement and briefings.
There are whispers. Some say it has cancelled the 787. Others that it has come to an agreement with Boeing to replace some or all 787s with 777s.
If it is a case of the latter, better late than never, but rather sad considering the squandered opportunities.
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Wrong Skillset and Greed
Never put people with no international experience in charge of an international airline.
When Jimmy Bow Tie came to Qantas he got rid of all the experienced Qantas personnel and replaced them with his mates who had zero experience.
Result: the mess you have now.
Wrong aircraft
Old Aircraft
Declining Service levels
Disengaged staff
The Leprechaun doesnt have a clue how to fix it
When Jimmy Bow Tie came to Qantas he got rid of all the experienced Qantas personnel and replaced them with his mates who had zero experience.
Result: the mess you have now.
Wrong aircraft
Old Aircraft
Declining Service levels
Disengaged staff
The Leprechaun doesnt have a clue how to fix it
