QF 744's to op with 13 crew

[qfguy]

Watch this space but in the next day or so you are going to see flights (747-400's) starting to operate with only 13 cabin crew due to cosmetic config changes.

[CabinCrew747]

These flights have been operating since the beginning of July. With the cosmetic changes to the aircraft, the 13 crew complement actually works very well and I found, was indeed easier then a 15 or 16 crew flight in normal config.

Regards

[lowerlobe]

This seems to be an amazing statement....

the 13 crew complement actually works very well

Is this because of service changes?

What do you mean by cosmetic changes?

How could having 3 less crew work better?

Not attacking you just curious.....

[Going Boeing]

qfguy, since you seem to have forgotten that there are other crew members (other than C/C), why didn't you start this thread in the Cabin Crew forum?

[lowerlobe]

Going Boeing...Are the pilots the only crew on an aircraft?????

D & G is for ALL aspects of aviation....that means all aviation not just the flight deck.

[funbags]

lobey, you almost got it right. But read the really big letters at the top left of the web page. PPRUNE, not PFARuNe!

[twiggs]

The answer is that QF cabin crew are not allowed to play there anymore, because people like Lowerlobe don't know how to follow rules.
The rules here are far more relaxed.

[Going Boeing]

LL, you missed my point. I was not being derogatory of C/C but I was pointing out how stupid it is to think only in terms of your own working environment. It takes many staff both on the ground and in the air to get the pax safely from A to B. As this post was clearly aimed at the issue of C/C establishment on QF aircraft then the Cabin Crew forum would be the most appropriate place to post it.

[GADRIVR]

I find it hard to understand why tech crew can't understand why they aren't considered to be at the top of the tree in a "SERVICE INDUSTRY".
It's just common sense isn't. Cabin crew are the faces that the passenger......oops.....on no.......ahhhh.... hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!.
Sorry....tried a windup......broke up laughing!

[Jet-A-One]

Can anyone elaborate on the config changes?

ps I don't see why this thread shouldn't be on a "Airline and RPT issues in Australia, enZed and the Pacific" forum.

You fly-boys really need to take a chill pill sometimes

It takes more than pilots to make an airline...

[kotoyebe]

These cosmetic configs have been running for a few weeks at least. The official line was that it was to align the saleable configs better with demand. So as there is less demand for P and J at the moment and more demand for PY and Y, they are using seats from the higher cabins, but selling them as a lower class. Nothing new in this. They have been doing this for years from time to time. It's just become a little more permanent due the the GFC.

If you remember, they stated that they will no longer offer P class to various destinations including SFO, and EZE. But they are still using 4 class aircraft. So they can sell more PY and Y by utilising the P seats (as J class I presume).

So I guess the other reason they have done this is to reduce costs. Instead of crewing and catering 4 classes, they only need to do it for 3. Small savings I would have thought, but I'm not an airline manager. Some of the cosmetic configs are quite wierd. IIRC, one has part of the J cabin as J, and the other as PY.

[noip]

Gasp,

13 Crew ...... Let's see ... 13 crew, minus 2 pilots leaves .......

and they need 12 CC to be legal ... hmmm GD lives!

Oh .... you mean CABIN crew......

Or is the upper deck the new crew rest lounge?

N

[twiggs]

26 crew on what? The Starship Enterprise?

[Shlonghaul]

26 crew on what? The Starship Enterprise?

It's called an Airbus A380

[twiggs]

And so what is the point of comparing the amount of crew on an A380 with that on a 747?
Just like comparing the amount of crew on the Enterprise, it's pointless.

[jungle juice]

How many crew do we have on the Dugong and how many do SIA have?

An independent family of forums covering all aspects of the Australian/NZ aviation scene.

Pontius Funbags and Going Boeing,Can you read the 2 words highlighted above?

Back to thread, this is about the reduction in cabin crew once again.Which we all know you will agree with and we know why.

[twiggs]

Actually the thread is titled "QF 744's to op with 13 crew".

This is the first I have heard of it anyway so I would say it is just a rumour at this stage and an exaggeration as it would only be for specific configurations.

If it comes to fruition, I would guess that it would be for the 2 class 744 only, which means a reduction of one in line with the 4 class 744.
No biggy really and if it's gonna save a few jobs, I don't see a problem.

[ditch handle]

Doubt we'll ever see a reduction of crew compliment on the Dugong however.

Passenger satisfaction levels far too important on that particular aircraft

[twiggs]

You need to check your facts etrust.
SQ have 17 on their 744.

[jungle juice]

Actually the thread is titled "QF 744's to op with 13 crew"

So what you are saying is that you agree with me and the thread is about the reduction in cabin crew.
Posted by twiggs

I don't see a problem

So was right when I said.

this is about the reduction in cabin crew once again.Which we all know you will agree with and we know why

,here is a simple Yes or NO question.
Does SIA operate their 744's and A380's with more cabin crew than we do?
YES or NO
Here is another simple question.
Can you access PPrune from the BOS desk?
YES or NO

The office loves acronyms so here is another FOL.