QF 744's to op with 13 crew
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SQ have always seemed to operate with more cc than QF. Their seating config on B747 and A380 are pretty similar to QF yet they have always had 1 to 3 more crew. They seem to get good customer service reports and QF's are so so. Could more crew be the answer to improving customer service? I don't know, I'm not management.
MH and TG also have more on the B747 than QF, even before the GFC.
MH and TG also have more on the B747 than QF, even before the GFC.
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And on top of that, it has been announced that SQ pilots and cabin crew will be taking a 10% pay reduction over the next few months.
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post5094480
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post5094480
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Too true Twiggs and something that also occurred around the time of SARS.
Very nice of SQ that they paid back "and some" when times improved.......
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"The airline's staff, who had taken pay cuts of up to 15 percent, will get a one-off lump sum payment to fully reinstall the slashed wages, plus 15 percent, and a further bonus of 2.05 months' salary, as per an agreement brokered with unions last year."
Very nice of SQ that they paid back "and some" when times improved.......
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"The airline's staff, who had taken pay cuts of up to 15 percent, will get a one-off lump sum payment to fully reinstall the slashed wages, plus 15 percent, and a further bonus of 2.05 months' salary, as per an agreement brokered with unions last year."
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Exactly right Ditch....and as twiggs said SIA crew are taking a wage cut but in the end will be paid back....Hell will freeze over before that happens with this company.
Did the company ever reinstate the crew member they took off before when things were grim....
Did they ever give anything to crew who's workload increased or who took a pay freeze when the company ended up making record profits?
Well,we know who did recieve a bonus for those moves and it wasn't crew....
It's good to see that SIA has paid back crew who did the right thing for the company and it's a pity that same effort has not been made with this lot...
rammel....Yes other airlines do have more crew and get better satisfaction feedback.At the end of the day it is hard to compete with another carrier that has more cabin crew
Did the company ever reinstate the crew member they took off before when things were grim....
Did they ever give anything to crew who's workload increased or who took a pay freeze when the company ended up making record profits?
Well,we know who did recieve a bonus for those moves and it wasn't crew....
It's good to see that SIA has paid back crew who did the right thing for the company and it's a pity that same effort has not been made with this lot...
rammel....Yes other airlines do have more crew and get better satisfaction feedback.At the end of the day it is hard to compete with another carrier that has more cabin crew
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You can bet those Singapore flight attendants get paid a lot less than the Qantas ones and there in lies the problem.
Speaking of which,I've heard rumblings yet again that the BKK base is about to be wound up....
Rumours are a fact of life in flying but if this one is true will have a huge impact....
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LL,
You reckon? How? I'm finding it at least as expensive as Syd-o-nee. OK, the MRT might be cheaper than Sydney trains, but living in anything but an HDB flat - 
. And don't even think of owning a car. Even if you do, fuel at >$2/litre means you can't actually do anything with it. Fruit & veg aren't too bad, but meat will more than balance that out.
No, Singapore is not a cheap place to live.
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The cost of living in Singapore or Bangkok is substantially different as well.....
. And don't even think of owning a car. Even if you do, fuel at >$2/litre means you can't actually do anything with it. Fruit & veg aren't too bad, but meat will more than balance that out.No, Singapore is not a cheap place to live.
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Originally Posted by qfguy
Watch this space but in the next day or so you are going to see flights (747-400's) starting to operate with only 13 cabin crew due to cosmetic config changes
The key is in the cosmetics. For those outside QF, cosmetics normally involve downgrading a zone to be sold as a lower class to match booking demand. e.g. sell First as Business and Business as Economy.
It can also mean taking a zone completely off sale in order to accommodate crew sickness up-route, or run a series of flights with reduced crew if commercial demand is low on all affected sectors. Doesn't affect service standards, just saves accommodation/allowances when revenue is down.
Been around as a practice since the 70s.
Not necessarily a conspiracy issue at all.
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Been around as a practice since the 70s.
Not necessarily a conspiracy issue at all.
Not necessarily a conspiracy issue at all.
This is also not something that has just happened since the 70's.This is something that has happened ever since people have been employed by a business....
Any business will want to cut costs and this one is no different.They have done it to tech crew and they will do it to every other department they have...
The point is that SIA have rewarded their staff for their actions in cutting costs but has this happened in our company even after record profits.....
Taildragger67...If you are unfortunate enough to live permanently in Singapore why would you want a car?
It's far cheaper to catch a taxi anywhere even if you don't want to pay the ridiculously low price of public transport.
As far as the rest of cost of living goes..Although Singapore is probably one of the most expensive locations in Asia it is cheaper to holiday than many places in australia......so I don't agree at all that Singapore is more expensive than Australia.I don't know about he taxation rates but I can live a lot cheaper staying at a hotel in Singapore than I could staying at a hotel in Sydney or Melbourne.....and then try to buy a house in a decent area of Sydney or Melbourne at the moment and don't even think of renting.
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Doubt we'll ever see a reduction of crew complement on the Dugong however.
Passenger satisfaction levels far too important on that particular aircraft
Passenger satisfaction levels far too important on that particular aircraft
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Qantas Focus
QFs focus is not on service.....its all about lip service.
QFs focus is not on the customer.
The focus is on costs and executive bonuses.
It has been like this for at least 7 years.
The GFC has just increased the cost cutting zeal
Under Joyce so far nothing has changed
QFs focus is not on the customer.
The focus is on costs and executive bonuses.
It has been like this for at least 7 years.
The GFC has just increased the cost cutting zeal
Under Joyce so far nothing has changed
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good one
Twiggs mentioned
"If it comes to fruition, I would guess that it would be for the 2 class 744 only, which means a reduction of one in line with the 4 class 744.
No biggy really and if it's gonna save a few jobs, I don't see a problem. "
The 747 2 class has 412 pax and 14 cabin crew (29.42 ratio)
The A180 (Dugong) has 450 pax and 21 crew(21.42 ratio) Thats 28% more work on the 747/2 class .Take off another crew member and it would increase to around 35% more work on the 747/2 class.
twiggs does not see a problem with that. what planet is she on???
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solution: lets open a maccas at the back galley, that would work!
"If it comes to fruition, I would guess that it would be for the 2 class 744 only, which means a reduction of one in line with the 4 class 744.
No biggy really and if it's gonna save a few jobs, I don't see a problem. "
The 747 2 class has 412 pax and 14 cabin crew (29.42 ratio)
The A180 (Dugong) has 450 pax and 21 crew(21.42 ratio) Thats 28% more work on the 747/2 class .Take off another crew member and it would increase to around 35% more work on the 747/2 class.
twiggs does not see a problem with that. what planet is she on???
. solution: lets open a maccas at the back galley, that would work!
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The A180 (Dugong) has 450 pax and 21 crew(21.42 ratio) Thats 28% more work on the 747/2 class .Take off another crew member and it would increase to around 35% more work on the 747/2 class.
twiggs does not see a problem with that. what planet is she on???
twiggs does not see a problem with that. what planet is she on???
I don't see a problem
Whats a 28% or 30% increase in work got to do with anything.
Her reply to you mate will no doubt be a beauty.
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isn't it
twiggsy last time i saw the offer to apply it was open to QAL? your point?
I was under the impression the Dugong looses one crew member?
ok if you compare 3 class configured aircrafts there is still a 25% more work load on the 747's.
lets put more crew on the A180. the boyzs maybe able to cope then with the service.
I was under the impression the Dugong looses one crew member?
ok if you compare 3 class configured aircrafts there is still a 25% more work load on the 747's.
lets put more crew on the A180. the boyzs maybe able to cope then with the service.
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Her reply to you mate will no doubt be a beauty.
you seemed to have missed the part that the A380 is not a QAL aircraft.
watch out skybed cause she'll go to the mods if someone tells her she's wrong.
twiggs,I don't post all the time but when you make a stupid post someones gonna let you know.
