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Hi lowerlobe
Thanks for your response – and thanks for taking the time to reply.
All I can say is Pedota...you have a very fertile imagination...it sounds to me another example of simple jealousy in that some people cannot stand the thought of others receiving something they are not....
The answer to your comment above is ‘negative’. I apologise if I come across with self interest in mind . . . dare I say I have seen quite a bit of ‘self interest’ exposed on this thread. Maybe there is greater ‘intra-company’ disparity on the matter on staff travel than ‘inter-company’ differentials?
The cost to staff is a figure arrived at by the company for various reasons known only to themselves and is not indicative of the cost of operating the airline.
I believe others have agued that that staff travel is a valuable source of revenue for the company – and that staff travel is provided at no cost to the company. My point is that if staff travel is provided at ‘below cost’ then it is being subsidised by revenue paying passengers. Someone told me I was ‘smoking something’ on this point.
But clearly I’m losing this discourse so I will bury my head in shame and hide!
Good luck with the staff travel scheme – I sincerely hope it is maintained in its present form (if not better) on the back of a safe and prosperous business with a happy and content customer base and workforce. What could be better than that?
I also have a question – how to you put ‘quotes’ in those nice boxes? The best I can do is using italics or bold.
Best to all
Cheers
Pedota
Thanks for your response – and thanks for taking the time to reply.
All I can say is Pedota...you have a very fertile imagination...it sounds to me another example of simple jealousy in that some people cannot stand the thought of others receiving something they are not....
The answer to your comment above is ‘negative’. I apologise if I come across with self interest in mind . . . dare I say I have seen quite a bit of ‘self interest’ exposed on this thread. Maybe there is greater ‘intra-company’ disparity on the matter on staff travel than ‘inter-company’ differentials?
The cost to staff is a figure arrived at by the company for various reasons known only to themselves and is not indicative of the cost of operating the airline.
I believe others have agued that that staff travel is a valuable source of revenue for the company – and that staff travel is provided at no cost to the company. My point is that if staff travel is provided at ‘below cost’ then it is being subsidised by revenue paying passengers. Someone told me I was ‘smoking something’ on this point.
But clearly I’m losing this discourse so I will bury my head in shame and hide!
Good luck with the staff travel scheme – I sincerely hope it is maintained in its present form (if not better) on the back of a safe and prosperous business with a happy and content customer base and workforce. What could be better than that?
I also have a question – how to you put ‘quotes’ in those nice boxes? The best I can do is using italics or bold.
Best to all
Cheers
Pedota
Last edited by Pedota; 10th Aug 2009 at 22:51. Reason: Incompetence
Click on the speech bubble to the right of the italics button.
You can look at staff travel this way if you want to pedota, if there were no such thing as staff travel, why would people (generally) work for a company that often pays below market rates for various positions ?
You can look at staff travel this way if you want to pedota, if there were no such thing as staff travel, why would people (generally) work for a company that often pays below market rates for various positions ?
So is there a ranking system between QANTAS, QLink, Jetstar, Jetconnect, JetS Asia, Cabin Crew, Tech Crew, Catering etc. as to who is at the front of the list when riding along on leisure travel? Does an FO with Jetconnect out rank a Capt with Jetstar?
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Click on the speech bubble to the right of the italics button.
Thanks 600ft-lb . . . but the U button is to right of my italics button. Guess I'll continue doing it this way for a while.
So is there a ranking system between QANTAS, QLink, Jetstar, Jetconnect, JetS Asia, Cabin Crew, Tech Crew, Catering etc. as to who is at the front of the list when riding along on leisure travel? Does an FO with Jetconnect out rank a Capt with Jetstar?
Beautifully put rmcdonal. And to link it to 600ft-lb's point, the greatest staff travel (and extended family) benefits should go to those being paid the most under market rates for similar positions.
But I did say I wouldn't comment any more!
Cheers
Pedota
Thanks 600ft-lb . . . but the U button is to right of my italics button. Guess I'll continue doing it this way for a while.
So is there a ranking system between QANTAS, QLink, Jetstar, Jetconnect, JetS Asia, Cabin Crew, Tech Crew, Catering etc. as to who is at the front of the list when riding along on leisure travel? Does an FO with Jetconnect out rank a Capt with Jetstar?
Beautifully put rmcdonal. And to link it to 600ft-lb's point, the greatest staff travel (and extended family) benefits should go to those being paid the most under market rates for similar positions.
But I did say I wouldn't comment any more!
Cheers
Pedota
Last edited by Pedota; 10th Aug 2009 at 23:56. Reason: Incompetence
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Pedota-
With all due respect, you obviously just don't get it.
Staff travelers only get a seat IF THERE IS A SEAT AVAILABLE. So if there are no staff travelers, the airline gets nothing (that's $0) revenue for that seat. Staff travel contributes revenue the airline would otherwise lose when it has excess capacity on a route.
I can assure you that QF does not consider staff travelers when they set capacity on a route. ie. They don't send a 767 instead of a 737 just so the staff will get a seat. How you conclude that commercial pax "subsidise" staff is beyond me.
I can also assure you that staff travel contributes significant revenue to QF.
I'll do some math for you:
The first fare I seen advertised on the QF website
SYD - MEL one way $89
Now, the FULL LISTED PRICE for that sector is approx $385 of which staff pay a percentage. (and I know you know what that percentage is)
Of course you have to consider that for commercial pax to get discount fares they must be flexible with their travel dates and times. You must also consider that staff travelers must be even more flexible because they'll most likely be flying on the same low demand flights but with no guarantee of getting a seat.
Now, you see why allot of staff don't even bother using staff travel.
Back to my original statement: Staff Travel is not all it is cracked up to be!
regards, JA1
With all due respect, you obviously just don't get it.
Staff travelers only get a seat IF THERE IS A SEAT AVAILABLE. So if there are no staff travelers, the airline gets nothing (that's $0) revenue for that seat. Staff travel contributes revenue the airline would otherwise lose when it has excess capacity on a route.
I can assure you that QF does not consider staff travelers when they set capacity on a route. ie. They don't send a 767 instead of a 737 just so the staff will get a seat. How you conclude that commercial pax "subsidise" staff is beyond me.
I can also assure you that staff travel contributes significant revenue to QF.
I'll do some math for you:
The first fare I seen advertised on the QF website
SYD - MEL one way $89
Now, the FULL LISTED PRICE for that sector is approx $385 of which staff pay a percentage. (and I know you know what that percentage is)
Of course you have to consider that for commercial pax to get discount fares they must be flexible with their travel dates and times. You must also consider that staff travelers must be even more flexible because they'll most likely be flying on the same low demand flights but with no guarantee of getting a seat.
Now, you see why allot of staff don't even bother using staff travel.
Back to my original statement: Staff Travel is not all it is cracked up to be!
regards, JA1
