Qantas A380 - LAME positions.
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It does make sense to make the vast majority of licences on the 380 B1 because there simply isn't the work to do to keep the B2's gainfully employed
We should feel somewhat lucky they haven't implemented the A licence's, there wouldn't be much B1 training going on at all in that case.
Just give it time......
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Well guys i think its only a matter of time until the Cat A lic will be in
Why do you think that the AME's had to do some more training before they joined Team A380,Is this so in the future they can get there Cat A Lic very easily and well if some of them took the carrot to get straight to level 12 after there time as a snork i think alot of them would take the carrot to get a Cat A lic as well. potentially reducing the amount of B1/B2's reqd
Anyhow time to get in the trench and take cover
Why do you think that the AME's had to do some more training before they joined Team A380,Is this so in the future they can get there Cat A Lic very easily and well if some of them took the carrot to get straight to level 12 after there time as a snork i think alot of them would take the carrot to get a Cat A lic as well. potentially reducing the amount of B1/B2's reqd
Anyhow time to get in the trench and take cover
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I read the A380 agreement with interest hoping to be a part of the operation but after seeing it in action I had second thoughts and didn't. The tension it has caused here made me think I had made the right decision but now some of us guys here at SIT may be sent to the hangar I may well wish I had of.
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Ooooo ..... you've stumbled on the master plan, what rocket scientists you are !. By the end of 2010 you'll see it come to fruition and most of you regardless of trade will be out of a job.
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I normally dont feed trolls (jonny v) But while ever those big silver birds have big round black tyres i think we will have a job for life, does this style of writing suit your pathetic little boy playground antics jonny ?
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Had my reservations about the selection process but after hearing the names, I am very pleased. A lot of quiet achievers. And although management didn't get to choose their golden boys, I am sure they won't be dissapointed.
Well done guys...
Well done ALAEA & FEDSEC. Please keep your eye on the ball leading up to next EBA.
Well done guys...
Well done ALAEA & FEDSEC. Please keep your eye on the ball leading up to next EBA.
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After seeing the names of who got what, while not knowing all of them I'd have to agree with Quill 
. I am happy to see more mech training as the company neglects us 
, I am suspicious though that the ratio of 10/1 is a deliberate step to open up the rift that the ALAEA had closed successfully during our PIA .
. I am happy to see more mech training as the company neglects us , I am suspicious though that the ratio of 10/1 is a deliberate step to open up the rift that the ALAEA had closed successfully during our PIA .
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Some of you people need to do some research regarding the CAO 100.66 system before you shoot your mouths off on here. Five minutes on the CASA website would save alot of the BS some of you write.
Ngineer, you're right, there is alot more avionics on these new types- most of which can be certified by a B1.1 LAME. I suspect a ratio of about ten to one is about right. If a B1.1 guy can cover all Engine, Airframe and Electrical also LRU with BITE on Instrument and Radio how many B2 guys do you need on Line or even in Servicing?
Ngineer, you're right, there is alot more avionics on these new types- most of which can be certified by a B1.1 LAME. I suspect a ratio of about ten to one is about right. If a B1.1 guy can cover all Engine, Airframe and Electrical also LRU with BITE on Instrument and Radio how many B2 guys do you need on Line or even in Servicing?
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a B1.1 guy can cover all Engine, Airframe and Electrical also LRU with BITE on Instrument and Radio
Doesn't mean it is safe or ethical to do it.
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and they could, with a swipe of a pen, allow dentists to preform brain surgery even though they have no qualification or training to do so. They are both doctors aren't they?
Doesn't mean it is safe or ethical to do it.
Doesn't mean it is safe or ethical to do it.
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The new system makes more sense, especially in line maintenance, with one LAME being able to certify all tasks for 99.9% of turnarounds.
Any cone that's worth his salt will be trained to B2. Alternatively, there's no reason why you guys can't get your basic B1 MA to be eligible for a B1 type course. So don't stress fellas, I'll even give you a hand with your first lube
Any cone that's worth his salt will be trained to B2. Alternatively, there's no reason why you guys can't get your basic B1 MA to be eligible for a B1 type course. So don't stress fellas, I'll even give you a hand with your first lube
and they could, with a swipe of a pen, allow dentists to preform brain surgery even though they have no qualification or training to do so. They are both doctors aren't they?
Doesn't mean it is safe or ethical to do it.
Doesn't mean it is safe or ethical to do it.
How is Australia's relic system which has been all but abandoned around the world thereby making our licences virtually worthless to anyone except Australian employers (bar the odd ICAO system) actually a better way to do things. Seriously, box goes out, box goes in, lightbulb goes out lightbulb goes in. 99% of line maintenance defects rectified.
If I were running an airline, would I by choice have a dozen B2 licenced guys sitting in the smoko room waiting for some work to happen when the B1 guys can certify
for the same stuff ?
There may be this lingering superiority complex amongst some of you guys. My advice, move on and get with the times instead of fighting for the old system which has the true meaning of the word 'legacy'.
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there is world of difference between being trained and having the experience and aptitude for any job.
some folks will have the knack, others will not, and it works both ways.
a/f eng guys have had a lot of avio privileges for a long time.many chose not to exercise them, some cant or are not interested for any number of reasons.
same goes for avio people some have it, some have not.
just cos the rest of the world is doing it does not make it right.
it makes it cheaper.over and out.
Few people I know have the ability to truly be expert in all trades on several types.Its a compromise.
Few of todays avio people could polish the shoes of a true radio lame and do not have the experience to tackle truly oddball snags that come along at times.They get fixed eventually but...it takes longer and can cost more.Yes we get by most of the time as the new system will too.
I could fix lots of eng / a/f snags too but I know that J Bloggs has been brought up on jeta1 and would fix it better and faster than me.
the rest of the world went to poo with a capital S because of shonky banking practices.
Oz system had better prudential regulatory structure, not perfect but better.(Pretty obvious where this is going.)
3 years ago the "experts" would have extolled the USA way of doing business and bemoaned lazy balance sheets (ie not enough gearing.)
Masters of the universe,sun gods the lot of those investment bankers.
The same clowns/journos/analysts are now all Mondays experts of the GFC and how the best way was a total sham.Pathetic fellow travelers.
Its just an analogy and wont change a thing, but maybe a toning down of the arrogance by some would be in order.You may get trained on something same as I could on another but you know jackshyte until you've logged quite a few years.
some folks will have the knack, others will not, and it works both ways.
a/f eng guys have had a lot of avio privileges for a long time.many chose not to exercise them, some cant or are not interested for any number of reasons.
same goes for avio people some have it, some have not.
just cos the rest of the world is doing it does not make it right.
it makes it cheaper.over and out.
Few people I know have the ability to truly be expert in all trades on several types.Its a compromise.
Few of todays avio people could polish the shoes of a true radio lame and do not have the experience to tackle truly oddball snags that come along at times.They get fixed eventually but...it takes longer and can cost more.Yes we get by most of the time as the new system will too.
I could fix lots of eng / a/f snags too but I know that J Bloggs has been brought up on jeta1 and would fix it better and faster than me.
the rest of the world went to poo with a capital S because of shonky banking practices.
Oz system had better prudential regulatory structure, not perfect but better.(Pretty obvious where this is going.)
3 years ago the "experts" would have extolled the USA way of doing business and bemoaned lazy balance sheets (ie not enough gearing.)
Masters of the universe,sun gods the lot of those investment bankers.
The same clowns/journos/analysts are now all Mondays experts of the GFC and how the best way was a total sham.Pathetic fellow travelers.
Its just an analogy and wont change a thing, but maybe a toning down of the arrogance by some would be in order.You may get trained on something same as I could on another but you know jackshyte until you've logged quite a few years.
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it makes it cheaper.over and out.
Just look at what the B1 guy is getting paid for the extra privliges or should I say what they are not getting paid.
Seriously, box goes out, box goes in, lightbulb goes out lightbulb goes in. 99% of line maintenance defects rectified.
Some will be capable, some not, but it goes both ways.
The B1 guy will ask for help just as the current Avionic guy asks for Mech assistance from time to time.
How about a bit of equality, makes sense to me.
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Reading this thread, I can see that Auss is following behind what UK/Europe has been doing with the JAR66 B1 & B2 licenses. What ever the rubbish the companies feed you aout how they have no plans to reduce staff etc.....just see what airlines in the UK have done. First the techs/mechs achieve their A licence, some airlines will pay extra for it some wont. However if you dont hold the A license then you employment prospects will be a lot more limited. And whenever redundancy situations arrise, you know who will be kept and who wont (this is already a reality for some staff in certain airlines). Once the A licensed staff have their limited approvals, the reliance on LAE is greatly reduced. Yes they are still needed but consider the avaerage line maintenance department, a lot of the LAEs work is the routine checks, now done by 'A'. Minor defects, such as blocked sinks, ovens, boilers, toilets etc, now all done by 'A's. LAEs left to concentrate on non-routine defects, troubleshooting etc. Great for the LAEs but remember there will be a lot less needed. As to B1 & B2, it has reduced the need for B2. B1 can sign for a lot more than ever, and if you think the company will keep as many B2 you are mistaken. We have seen this in airlines in Europe. A licence do the routine, small defects, B1 do the majority of other maintenance, few B2 left to cope with more involved B2 type work.
With the wonderfull UK CAA converting licenses from theold A&C, EIR etc many staff lost certain certification rights when converted over...lets hope CASA make a better job of the conversion.
We have seen this happen in Europe and seen the effect on numbers of LAEs so beware...
With the wonderfull UK CAA converting licenses from theold A&C, EIR etc many staff lost certain certification rights when converted over...lets hope CASA make a better job of the conversion.
We have seen this happen in Europe and seen the effect on numbers of LAEs so beware...
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Fair point NWT, however being in europe i'm sure you'll know that a lot of the major airlines employ B2 guys who also hold full B1 licenses as well.
Qf have a system in place for B2 guys to hold full B1, check the allowance's appendix of our EBA and it's there.
The 'A' license issue is a major one and i'm sure QF are probably looking at it with a keen eye. To the sparkies out there if you hold your mech basics it is not hard to get a basic B1 as you have all the theory you need for RPL process, you just need to fill in a few worksheets to meet the competency gap between b2 and b1, same as we do when we are converting our A/F ENG to full B1 we only need the theory and electrical competencies. I'm sure in five years time when 20percent of our workforce retires and 50 new 787 and 15 380's arrive Qf will want guys who can basically hold B1 & B2 because at the current rate of attrition and lack of young people coming through, they are going to have a massive problem. Hopefully by then all the fighting amonst us will have gone.
Qf have a system in place for B2 guys to hold full B1, check the allowance's appendix of our EBA and it's there.
The 'A' license issue is a major one and i'm sure QF are probably looking at it with a keen eye. To the sparkies out there if you hold your mech basics it is not hard to get a basic B1 as you have all the theory you need for RPL process, you just need to fill in a few worksheets to meet the competency gap between b2 and b1, same as we do when we are converting our A/F ENG to full B1 we only need the theory and electrical competencies. I'm sure in five years time when 20percent of our workforce retires and 50 new 787 and 15 380's arrive Qf will want guys who can basically hold B1 & B2 because at the current rate of attrition and lack of young people coming through, they are going to have a massive problem. Hopefully by then all the fighting amonst us will have gone.
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hey changea,
we only fight with each other when the company has been brought to heel.
I look around syd and wonder where the hell are they going to get people to do maint too.hard enough to get parking spots let alone a hangar and arms and legs.
Every time I think of MH telling us the "new gen " aircraft self heal & require no spares.The manpower consumed by the pale whale is staggering compared to what the former eng bosses thought, and that was with a hand picked team.They'll need to clone B1 and B2 by the dozen the way its going.
I think jetstar need people too.
we only fight with each other when the company has been brought to heel.
I look around syd and wonder where the hell are they going to get people to do maint too.hard enough to get parking spots let alone a hangar and arms and legs.
Every time I think of MH telling us the "new gen " aircraft self heal & require no spares.The manpower consumed by the pale whale is staggering compared to what the former eng bosses thought, and that was with a hand picked team.They'll need to clone B1 and B2 by the dozen the way its going.
I think jetstar need people too.
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Spanner swingers say this, Sparkies say that it goes on and on
Grow up the company is shovelling us all down the poop shoot while we argue who is going to be the last one shovelling.
A380 agreement is clear, CASA's position not so clear (everchanging in fact just look at the website) instead of slagging off at each other keep an eye out for all LAMEs enemy the 'A' licence.
Grow up the company is shovelling us all down the poop shoot while we argue who is going to be the last one shovelling.
A380 agreement is clear, CASA's position not so clear (everchanging in fact just look at the website) instead of slagging off at each other keep an eye out for all LAMEs enemy the 'A' licence.
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You blokes are your own worst enemies, (Life's all About ME) as M put it seems more true now than ever.
The Company must love this.... It takes more than 3 weeks to train a sparky or greaser to knows what he is doing.
4 year apprenticeship and at least 4 years on the job training before he is confident of a Type, on his own trade. I would love to see a greaser rewire a landing gear or repair the hundreds of wires blown out by an oxygen tank, or a sparky repair the hole blown out by an by an oxy tank.
It should not be, but this is where we are headed. Nothing but save a few bucks and screw the the lot of you.
Part 66 licencing may work on the line but come to home base, when it really needs to be fixed, a black box change, light bub change, wheel change etc etc does not answer the defect.
Jack of all trades does not FIX anything except the managers bonus.
The Company must love this.... It takes more than 3 weeks to train a sparky or greaser to knows what he is doing.
4 year apprenticeship and at least 4 years on the job training before he is confident of a Type, on his own trade. I would love to see a greaser rewire a landing gear or repair the hundreds of wires blown out by an oxygen tank, or a sparky repair the hole blown out by an by an oxy tank.
It should not be, but this is where we are headed. Nothing but save a few bucks and screw the the lot of you.
Part 66 licencing may work on the line but come to home base, when it really needs to be fixed, a black box change, light bub change, wheel change etc etc does not answer the defect.
Jack of all trades does not FIX anything except the managers bonus.
