QF piot retrenchments

[Karunch]

And while mainline pilots are facing retrenchment, Jet* pilots already on Lwop are being recalled. Does Joyce have any idea what his 'managers' are doing?

Thankfully I'm not a Qf shareholder, this sort of financial lunacy should have ended with the onset of the Gfc.

[Mstr Caution]

But why should another airline be dissadvantaged in 12 months time because of the current situation.

Metrosmoker -Mainliners have been asking this question for around 5 years or so!

[metrosmoker]

Thanks for the wishes guys. I appreciate it. Can you wish me luck with my Qantas application. Would prefer mainline when things turn around.
I was referring to mainline. Before you question my ignorance, I would check your own backyard. I know 3 guys in the company, none of which want reduced flying or pay. I will be the first to apologise for my ignorance if I am wrong.
Rip into me all you like guys. I am just stating a point of view.

After reading that SIA crew are taking a 10% pay cut, my opinion of pilots might need to change. My next post might be an apology.!

[CaptCloudbuster]

waiting for an apology

Metrosmoker said

Before you question my ignorance, I would check your own backyard. I know 3 guys in the company, none of which want reduced flying or pay. I will be the first to apologise for my ignorance if I am wrong.

AIPA checked said backyard recently...see end of this post for results

And

Most importantly, this is my view as is affects me at present.
Why should my plight be any less/more important than anyone else's.

United we stand...divided we fall.

And

I doubt there is one guy in Qantas who would take a pay cut, demotion etc to save the job of another pilot in the company.

To quote a notorious QREWROOM regular... "INCORRECT!!!"

I'm very proud to be an AIPA member presently. I'm sure even if you asked the entire Mainline Pilot body no one WANTS reduced flying or pay however as proved by the following the vast majority are prepared to look out for each other. You might take a lesson from this Metrosmoker...


This from AIPA insights 29th July 2009:- President Jackson said

As you know, AIPA recently distributed a quick survey to gauge the thoughts and preferences of Qantas mainline members, and I was pleased to see a very healthy 82% of you responded. Other indications are that 93% of those surveyed thought it was positive that AIPA was working cooperatively with the Company to address the redundancy problem. What was also pleasing to hear was that 81% of the Captains and First Officers surveyed were willing to have a “collective” attitude to potential redundancies. AIPA will use this survey as guidance as we address the current issues affecting many of our members.

[breakfastburrito]

metrosmoker, thanks for you candid response. Perhaps the reason you believe that others won't give up a single cent to help others, is because you personally would not in similar circumstances.

I have observed many with obvious ambition & concern for others, daring to reach for the stars. Some have had stellar careers, some ended up broke,bitter & alone in a one bedroom flat.

Good luck with your career.

[meguro]

Just out of curiousity, why don't pilots' of VB and Qantas group consider working abroad?
I'm in the ANA group and they will continue recruiting thoughout the rest of the year. There are jobs on everything from Dash 8 400's, 737 to B767, pax and freight.
Why would you bother being QF'd or Godrey'd?

Best of luck to all.

[RYAN TCAD]

...yeh i recall the welcome to QFLink blurb that one of the QF managers raved on about which was - ..."and we have already created an internal pathway between QFLink to QF for you guys to take advantage of. We have listened to the pilots' suggestions and implemented this"... blah blah blah.

Yeh right. TOSSER!

[OneDotLow]

For those who want to know ... due to numerous factors, at this stage QF pilot redundancies are no longer on the cards in the short term.

A welcome relief to those in the firing line, im sure. Also a pretty big thumbs up to all involved in taking a collective hit to save the jobs of those junior to them.

[Keg]

Interesting that this thread gets resurrected today. If things don't get worse we may have avoided anyone getting retrenched. A great outcome for our junior crew.

Now, if only we can do something about moving between the different parts of the group.

[GADRIVR]

Interesting....Mainline actually thinking about others apart from themselves.
Will wonders ever cease??!!
Should've happened years ago. Why the change in attitude guys?

[Bo777]

Keg

Now, if only we can do something about moving between the different parts of the group.

If only ... Rudd's new (un) Fair Work Act under the transfer of business crushes that idea.

[Keg]

Should've happened years ago. Why the change in attitude guys?

No change in attitude from some QF guys. It's been the same stance ever since I kicked off on PPRUNE.....a decade ago now.

[MrWooby]

There seems to be a lot of agro about the senior members of AIPA. A perceived attitude of only caring about themselves. Many of the younger members are very keen to change the Qantas contract, to sell of our conditions to secure flying. I find the attitude of "I must get that airline command asap and at any cost" appalling, and it has been to the detriment of our profession. Airline managers prey upon that, thus the growth of Jetstar, Virgin, Jetconnect etc. It's indicative of the current youth culture of "i want it all and I want it now". If it was up to the junior members of AIPA, we would have voted on and lost the payrise due on Aug 15th to save jobs. Instead, AIPA took its time, and achieved a good outcome without a reduction in pay rate. Maybe its time to respect the experience and knowledge of those who have been in the industry longer and have seen it all before and let them do the job of running AIPA.

[Mstr Caution]

Mr Wooby, the shock will come for the "i want it all and I want it now" generation when & if the pilot group forms a group opportunity list.

[kellykelpie]

I don't think aiming to get a command in around 10 years is "I want it all and I want it now". Jetstar has sucked up all the QF expansion. What is command running at in Qantas now? 15 years if you are lucky? It comes back to the 'poverty of expectation' that exists in mainline for promotion.

Seniority at 2400 - gaining 30 numbers a year in the midlevels, going backwards in the postcodes. I want it all now? You can't be refering to junior Qantas pilots surely.