QF LH Tech Crew EBA voted up
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It was a great turn out for the vote and shows that whether for or against, QF pilots are fully engaged in their EBA discussions. I hope that they remain engaged once the dust has settled and we start all over again.
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Excellent result 
and just goes to show what can happen when the Company and Pilots work together to bring about a mutually acceptable result. Hopefully the CEO will take note and we can work together during these hard times and also these expansive (Jetstar) times and come together to make this Company prosperous for all. Or am I dreaming?
and just goes to show what can happen when the Company and Pilots work together to bring about a mutually acceptable result. Hopefully the CEO will take note and we can work together during these hard times and also these expansive (Jetstar) times and come together to make this Company prosperous for all. Or am I dreaming?
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An equivalent 17% payrise over the life of the EBA (1Jan 2007 through to 2010) plus an extra 5% for the A380 pilots. A few efficiency offsets but overall a very good result for all.
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Fantastic,brilliant even, can you guys pat yourselves on the back anymore?
I personally think this result didn't really have that much to do with the contents of the proposal ,as good as they were under the circumstances (after all large sections of it were lifted straight from that other EBA that shall not be mentioned) but rather the current economic conditions we now find ourselves in and the fear and uncertainty this World wide economic meltdown has created.
Let's not forget ,all this EBA has really done ,if you really want to be blunt ,is delay the time when Qantas pilots will really have to work out what is worth having and what's not when it comes time to negotiate for relevance to the unit cost mindset management in the next EBA.
I personally think this result didn't really have that much to do with the contents of the proposal ,as good as they were under the circumstances (after all large sections of it were lifted straight from that other EBA that shall not be mentioned) but rather the current economic conditions we now find ourselves in and the fear and uncertainty this World wide economic meltdown has created.
Let's not forget ,all this EBA has really done ,if you really want to be blunt ,is delay the time when Qantas pilots will really have to work out what is worth having and what's not when it comes time to negotiate for relevance to the unit cost mindset management in the next EBA.
This EBA 7 Variation was a no-brainer. Of course it was going to be massively voted up. The real test will come next time around. If AIPA can get a fleet pay EBA based on A380 rates without contentious changes to the agreement such as those offered in the defunct EBA 8 (I am talking about training restrictions here) then I will be very impressed.
If not, then all we have done is cemented in another pay scale (A380) that further distorts the promotion and rostering situation within the LH division. If that is the case then I am headed (as soon as promotions start again) to the new M.R.V along with my cost-free upgrade training. Costly and inefficient for sure.
If not, then all we have done is cemented in another pay scale (A380) that further distorts the promotion and rostering situation within the LH division. If that is the case then I am headed (as soon as promotions start again) to the new M.R.V along with my cost-free upgrade training. Costly and inefficient for sure.
I am headed (as soon as promotions start again) to the new M.R.V along with my cost-free upgrade training
They couldn't / wouldn't do that would they?? Not now that Team Bazza has established lines of communications with Charlie Q based on mutual respect and trust
Watch this space... I see from QREWROOM LSL is already being assigned contrary to our EBA on the '76.
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First of all, Congratulations if this is what you wanted but knowing QF (and we had a 18 month 'discussion' about wages and a buggery campaign) I suspect the devil is in the detail.
Personally I don't like disproportionate wage outcomes (don't get me wrong we have voted for some in our package) as usually a majority of people get left behind whilst the minority (usually the ones' best off) benefit.
In the Engineers dispute of 2008 the company pulled out all stops to break the back of it's engineers and their union, they were unsuccessful and the engineers walked away with 4.5% pa on average.
The questions I pose are the following
Do you believe we can resurrect a collective bargaining group for all unions ?
Do you think payrises can make up for a loss of conditions ?
Do you believe that the new 380 payment was an establishment of a new benchmark or a selfish grab for cash by a select group ?
Do you think that the engineers union having the balls to take dixon on paved the way for all other unions to be able to break the glass ceiling that the mad emperor had imposed or was it just a matter of time?
looking forward to some discussion
Personally I don't like disproportionate wage outcomes (don't get me wrong we have voted for some in our package) as usually a majority of people get left behind whilst the minority (usually the ones' best off) benefit.
In the Engineers dispute of 2008 the company pulled out all stops to break the back of it's engineers and their union, they were unsuccessful and the engineers walked away with 4.5% pa on average.
The questions I pose are the following
Do you believe we can resurrect a collective bargaining group for all unions ?
Do you think payrises can make up for a loss of conditions ?
Do you believe that the new 380 payment was an establishment of a new benchmark or a selfish grab for cash by a select group ?
Do you think that the engineers union having the balls to take dixon on paved the way for all other unions to be able to break the glass ceiling that the mad emperor had imposed or was it just a matter of time?
looking forward to some discussion
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Slow down guys. This EBA is only 3% PA starting when the last EBA expired and a 5% payrise for the 380 with some offsets. So really, it would have to be a win for QF - inflation only payrise with some offsets.
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You would prefer us all to take a pay cut and put those same pilots on the street?
IF any are made redundant depends on NUMBERS required, not whatever they are paid.
Due to training costs and long lead times to train up again hopefully no redundantcies but hour reductions / leave assignments etc.
IF any are made redundant depends on NUMBERS required, not whatever they are paid.
Due to training costs and long lead times to train up again hopefully no redundantcies but hour reductions / leave assignments etc.
I feel that it is highly unlikely Capt Cloudbuster that I will be made redundant.
In the meantime I am prepared to take every day of leave - LSL included - owing to me right now, including the days that I will accrue whilst on leave. I will be doing my bit to ensure that no pilot from the bottom of the list is made redundant. All leave owing needs to be fully exhausted before even one pilot is laid off.
Just waiting for the FSO asking for volunteers. I will be onto it like the drain pipe rat!
In the meantime I am prepared to take every day of leave - LSL included - owing to me right now, including the days that I will accrue whilst on leave. I will be doing my bit to ensure that no pilot from the bottom of the list is made redundant. All leave owing needs to be fully exhausted before even one pilot is laid off.
Just waiting for the FSO asking for volunteers. I will be onto it like the drain pipe rat!