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Redsnail ,
Was that an impulse posting?
What's changed since '06 '07?
Would they be stepping upon someone's toes?
I think the answer might have something to do with the reversal in the Supply/Demand equation since then.
Was that an impulse posting?
What's changed since '06 '07?
Would they be stepping upon someone's toes?
I think the answer might have something to do with the reversal in the Supply/Demand equation since then.
The contract FO's are to ensure that at least someone on the flightdeck has a clue as to what the A320 is doing. As only a couple of the Captains have any Airbus experience, the regulatory scrutiny the operation would otherwise be under would be more than Jq could muddle their way through.
$10K NZ/ month for what is effectively a training Captain position is a long from market rate. If the flightdeck is frosty, it'll be because of the inverted cockpit gradient.
$10K NZ/ month for what is effectively a training Captain position is a long from market rate. If the flightdeck is frosty, it'll be because of the inverted cockpit gradient.
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Hey screwballs, you been into WLG in an A320?, even AirNZ avoids taking them in there because of the local wx conditions. EasyJet probably has a bit more time en-route to these destinations; these will be little 1 hour hops with every 3rd sector into one of these tricky ports...Will be earning their money doing 85 hrs/month of that eh?
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give me a break. easy fly into more difficult destinations much more often than you ever knew existed. they are good drivers and they are well trained, not just checked as is the way in the southern hemisphere.
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Yes.
And how long do you think it takes to fly from Belfast to Glasgow or Belfast to Liverpool?
This is detracting from the conversation so I'll just say it: you have a bigger willy.
And how long do you think it takes to fly from Belfast to Glasgow or Belfast to Liverpool?
This is detracting from the conversation so I'll just say it: you have a bigger willy.
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Murdoch, we all do ok going into Funchal, or Innsbruck to name just a couple. Look at the tricky local weather conditions they get there!!!!! The contract requirement was not for new FO's so that they have got good experience.
I am not taking anything away from flying into these places, sure they are tricky and have their own little traps but please don't assume that we don't have our own very tricky little places to fly into around Europe!
I am not taking anything away from flying into these places, sure they are tricky and have their own little traps but please don't assume that we don't have our own very tricky little places to fly into around Europe!
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blow.n.gasket, no, not an impulse reply (never worked for them. 
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The poster above asked would they (the contractors) be stepping on toes. Your reply was "What do you think Einstein?".
My reply was to simply point out that QF have sent excess (at the time) FOs to easyJet for a fixed contract.
As an aside, my thoughts are CTC are trying to find work for their new FOs now that the European market has dried up. Since easyJet et al used to hoover up any CTC cadet, CTC are now finding that many new cadets are without either any job or a permanent one. (easyJet now take the CTC cadets on for 6 months and then release them)
Since the NZ contract specifies a certain level of experience, CTC and easyJet have come up with a solution. Offer the experienced FOs (who probably did their training in NZ) a chance to fly around there for a couple of months and then there'll be more "room" for easyJet to continue to take on the freshly minted CTC cadets.
)The poster above asked would they (the contractors) be stepping on toes. Your reply was "What do you think Einstein?".
My reply was to simply point out that QF have sent excess (at the time) FOs to easyJet for a fixed contract.
As an aside, my thoughts are CTC are trying to find work for their new FOs now that the European market has dried up. Since easyJet et al used to hoover up any CTC cadet, CTC are now finding that many new cadets are without either any job or a permanent one. (easyJet now take the CTC cadets on for 6 months and then release them)
Since the NZ contract specifies a certain level of experience, CTC and easyJet have come up with a solution. Offer the experienced FOs (who probably did their training in NZ) a chance to fly around there for a couple of months and then there'll be more "room" for easyJet to continue to take on the freshly minted CTC cadets.
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NZALPA has given notice that it is taking Qantas and JC to court to attempt to stop the closure of the CHC base. These are not petty arguements, JC may have violated the terms of the CEA it has with its pilots, and the ERA (Law).
Any pilot thinking of taking a job with Jetstar NZ before this is sorted out (I'm sure Jetstar NZ would love to hear from you) is adding another cut to the throats of the JC CHC pilots.
I'd call them scabs if they joined now. If you know of anyone grabbing this 'great opportunity' to fly in NZ, please let them know of this court case so they can have a better idea of what is going on.
Any pilot thinking of taking a job with Jetstar NZ before this is sorted out (I'm sure Jetstar NZ would love to hear from you) is adding another cut to the throats of the JC CHC pilots.
I'd call them scabs if they joined now. If you know of anyone grabbing this 'great opportunity' to fly in NZ, please let them know of this court case so they can have a better idea of what is going on.
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i have flown into many challenging airports in europe/middle east/africa in my time with a uk charter airline on the 321 so i can assure people there are more than 2 in the world and i'm sure easyjet pilots fly to a few of them.
Easyjet have sound training and is a quality SOP driven airline which employs good pilots.
The only 'frosty' reception an ezy fo would receive would be if he went to a rural flying school and talked to the GA prop spinners who believe a job flying jets and a hundred grand plus salary is so long overdue for them that it makes them bitter and vent their frustration on anonymous internet forums
Easyjet have sound training and is a quality SOP driven airline which employs good pilots.
The only 'frosty' reception an ezy fo would receive would be if he went to a rural flying school and talked to the GA prop spinners who believe a job flying jets and a hundred grand plus salary is so long overdue for them that it makes them bitter and vent their frustration on anonymous internet forums
100 kts. I agree with you, not sure where you are coming from with the last bit. Note the above Post where they would be hounded as Scabs, that is the attitude I was referring to and there is a sound basis for it. But not how we should treat our short term visiters i think. Oh i went to a rural airfield and spun the prop yesterday and it was great
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Karunch, from what we hear, most of the capts going are very experienced. Just some wanting to get home etc... From what I have heard from a few trainers there, the few guys going across from jet* oz upgrading, are all experienced captains from other types (boeings,fokkers etc) who have been stuffed around from the deals that happen behind closed doors /recent moves etc, and are looking at getting back to the leftseat. Some are even from enzed, so I wouldnt worry about that to much.
To call these guys scabs is simply stupid, and shows the lack of understanding of the situation. I believe the companies group of unions, aipa,afap and the jpa have all done nothing to change the conditions, and are even giving advise to the guys/members going across.
Good luck to em, it would be nice to get back home....
To call these guys scabs is simply stupid, and shows the lack of understanding of the situation. I believe the companies group of unions, aipa,afap and the jpa have all done nothing to change the conditions, and are even giving advise to the guys/members going across.
Good luck to em, it would be nice to get back home....
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Pigdriver did you actually proof read what you wrote?
You wrote:
"I believe the companies group of unions, aipa,afap and the jpa have all done nothing to change the conditions, and are even giving advise to the guys/members going across."
Have a quick think about what you wrote. Aipa, AFAP, and the JPA have no legal jurisdiction in NZ, that would be the domain of NZALPA .
Why do you think JetStar management with the blessing of "The Queen " at Qantas are so keen to continue the program of divide and conquer?
The more things change ,the more they stay the same!
You wrote:
"I believe the companies group of unions, aipa,afap and the jpa have all done nothing to change the conditions, and are even giving advise to the guys/members going across."
Have a quick think about what you wrote. Aipa, AFAP, and the JPA have no legal jurisdiction in NZ, that would be the domain of NZALPA .
Why do you think JetStar management with the blessing of "The Queen " at Qantas are so keen to continue the program of divide and conquer?
The more things change ,the more they stay the same!
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Tricky Little Airports.
Dear Mr Murdoch.
I got the offer.Must admit, no 320 time, and havent operated into NZWN or NZQN, but.........have 10500 hours heavy jet, 17500 hours total time, 9000 hours Boeing glass cockpit, have been into VNKT 47 times, including some very inclement weather, all in 757/767, also all over Africa, M.E. and Asia, including some very dodgy airports, oh.....how about DILI in a 757 at MLW..........5 times, take a look at the charts for that place......will tighten up your gonads on short final.Also did TRE work on 767 with 250 hour trainees....thats right the real airplane not the SIM....with SE flying near the ground or on it.....I could go on, but you get my drift.Do you think I might hack it into WLG or QTN ??. What a lot of crap.
I got the offer.Must admit, no 320 time, and havent operated into NZWN or NZQN, but.........have 10500 hours heavy jet, 17500 hours total time, 9000 hours Boeing glass cockpit, have been into VNKT 47 times, including some very inclement weather, all in 757/767, also all over Africa, M.E. and Asia, including some very dodgy airports, oh.....how about DILI in a 757 at MLW..........5 times, take a look at the charts for that place......will tighten up your gonads on short final.Also did TRE work on 767 with 250 hour trainees....thats right the real airplane not the SIM....with SE flying near the ground or on it.....I could go on, but you get my drift.Do you think I might hack it into WLG or QTN ??. What a lot of crap.
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i once went on the spinner at the ekka and spewed. bloody horrible, dagwood dogs and fairy floss all over the joint. so i can tell you blokes a few stories.
come on gents, they are only aeroplanes
can't we all be friends
come on gents, they are only aeroplanes
can't we all be friends
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Wow, such a lot of testosterone. So you start up an airline that operates into 2 very tricky airports (out of a total of 5), 1 of which has a black star rating from IFALPA.
My point is not that Queenstown and Wellington are the trickiest airports in the world.
My point is: do you start an operation into these airports with a mixture of; time on type and never operated there, and no time on type and have operated there??
On that note, the most experienced Queenstown guys from within the Qantas group have been basically told to shove off. ie the Christchurch based Jetconnect guys!!
My point is not that Queenstown and Wellington are the trickiest airports in the world.
My point is: do you start an operation into these airports with a mixture of; time on type and never operated there, and no time on type and have operated there??
On that note, the most experienced Queenstown guys from within the Qantas group have been basically told to shove off. ie the Christchurch based Jetconnect guys!!
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Hey screwballs, you been into WLG in an A320?, even AirNZ avoids taking them in there because of the local wx conditions
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Agreed...Air NZ do NOT intentionally avoid Wellington with the A320...as stated, there are at least 2 of them there every night ex the Tasman routes.
Having flown the A320 into Wellington on quite a few occasions, I can tell you it is not a big deal....would I feel as comfortable on a crappy day as in a 737? Maybe not, but that's just because I've not been there as many times in the Airbus. Most Air NZ pilots will tell you the same thing.
I do agree that leaping into WLG and Queenstown with inexperienced crews is not a good idea, but you only get experience through exposure. Any Captain (or F/O) with a bit of experience and a lot of common sense will have no problems with either place....you don't need to be superman!
BTW I think I've flown into WLG over 10 000 times in my career....only had big concerns a handful of times.
Having flown the A320 into Wellington on quite a few occasions, I can tell you it is not a big deal....would I feel as comfortable on a crappy day as in a 737? Maybe not, but that's just because I've not been there as many times in the Airbus. Most Air NZ pilots will tell you the same thing.
I do agree that leaping into WLG and Queenstown with inexperienced crews is not a good idea, but you only get experience through exposure. Any Captain (or F/O) with a bit of experience and a lot of common sense will have no problems with either place....you don't need to be superman!
BTW I think I've flown into WLG over 10 000 times in my career....only had big concerns a handful of times.
