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Here is a link to wikipedia for the best up-to-date FACTS as opposed to sensationalist media reporting.
2009 SWINE FLU H1N1 OUTBREAK.
2009 SWINE FLU H1N1 OUTBREAK.
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Sorry breakfastburrito but to use FACT and Wikipedia in the same sentence is just a joke. Anyone can post whatever they like on Wikipedia and entries are not verified or necessarily challenged - it should NEVER be used as a valid reference source (don't ever try using it at Uni or in the workplace as a valid reference source).
You want vaild information on swine flu go look at the BiosecurityAustralia and World Health Organisation (WHO) if you want facts from accredited experts in their fields not just the unverifiable opinions of self appointed experts with a passing interest.
In Oz your State Health Departments and Government Health Officers have up to date information available on request.
You want vaild information on swine flu go look at the BiosecurityAustralia and World Health Organisation (WHO) if you want facts from accredited experts in their fields not just the unverifiable opinions of self appointed experts with a passing interest.
In Oz your State Health Departments and Government Health Officers have up to date information available on request.
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A swine flu pandemic could cost millions of lives and trillions of dollars | Business | News.com.au
Qantas, Virgin await swine flu advice | Business Breaking News | News.com.au
Overall share market up but VB and QF down 
Qantas, Virgin await swine flu advice | Business Breaking News | News.com.au
Qantas, Virgin await swine flu advice
AAP
April 27, 2009 01:40pm
QANTAS says all of its services are operating as normal despite the swine flu outbreak.
"We haven't encountered any episodes of (swine flu), but there are no specific changes to travel arrangements or Qantas services," a spokesman said today.
"Qantas has standard procedures in place and regularly reviews them to manage these sorts of risks.
"We will be working closely with Australian and international authorities to monitor the situation."
Virgin Blue was awaiting government advice before implementing swine flu prevention measures.
"Like all airlines, Virgin Blue will take advice from the Australian Federal Government regarding any recommendations and comply with all specific requirements," a spokeswoman said.
AAP
April 27, 2009 01:40pm
QANTAS says all of its services are operating as normal despite the swine flu outbreak.
"We haven't encountered any episodes of (swine flu), but there are no specific changes to travel arrangements or Qantas services," a spokesman said today.
"Qantas has standard procedures in place and regularly reviews them to manage these sorts of risks.
"We will be working closely with Australian and international authorities to monitor the situation."
Virgin Blue was awaiting government advice before implementing swine flu prevention measures.
"Like all airlines, Virgin Blue will take advice from the Australian Federal Government regarding any recommendations and comply with all specific requirements," a spokeswoman said.
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Amelia, firstly never is a very strong word, the definition of which almost certainly invalidates the rest of you arguments, however lets put that aside for one moment.
Wikipedia, can, however suffer from exactly the problems you state, as anyone can indeed edit it.
Several external independent reviews of Wikipedia disagree with your conclusion.
I note that the wikipedia article I linked has over 130 footnotes, many referencing the CDC and WHO, as well as external links clearly marked to both organisations.
Finally, I note that Biosecurity Australia has no information on its web page regarding swine flu. The NSW government department of health provides extremely limited information in its swine flu information.
Government advice so far appears to be limited to basic personal hygiene precautions.
No other document on this topic I have seen on this topic approaches the depth of the article I linked to, especially from an aviation industry perspective, given its susceptibility to panic, real or imagined as well as infectious diseases.
The main thrust of my original post was to discourage taking the mass media "panic" hook line and sinker, and provide a reference so individuals can get an in depth perspective, review the information provided, follow links and draw their own conclusions from the perspective of the aviation industry.
Wikipedia, can, however suffer from exactly the problems you state, as anyone can indeed edit it.
Several external independent reviews of Wikipedia disagree with your conclusion.
I note that the wikipedia article I linked has over 130 footnotes, many referencing the CDC and WHO, as well as external links clearly marked to both organisations.
Finally, I note that Biosecurity Australia has no information on its web page regarding swine flu. The NSW government department of health provides extremely limited information in its swine flu information.
Government advice so far appears to be limited to basic personal hygiene precautions.
No other document on this topic I have seen on this topic approaches the depth of the article I linked to, especially from an aviation industry perspective, given its susceptibility to panic, real or imagined as well as infectious diseases.
The main thrust of my original post was to discourage taking the mass media "panic" hook line and sinker, and provide a reference so individuals can get an in depth perspective, review the information provided, follow links and draw their own conclusions from the perspective of the aviation industry.
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breakfastburrito I find the statement "independent review" rather interesting as the review is in fact listed in Wikipedia! That totally invalidates the notion of "independent review" - it would not be published in Wikipedia if the review had been negative. But let's put that aside.
Wikipedia like many similar sites does supply some good information but is NEVER (yes - I used that word again) accepted as a authorative source by any acadenic or research institute due to the inconsistency of the standard and authenticity and accuracy of the information presented.
I would take the information presented by WHO, CDC and similar regarding this latest swine flu outbreak, over details in Wikipedia.
However, regardless of the source - swine flu is a serious matter and we need to have access to current and accurate information to allow the aviation industry and others to make balanced decisions and develop strategies to counteract any possible affects.
Wikipedia like many similar sites does supply some good information but is NEVER (yes - I used that word again) accepted as a authorative source by any acadenic or research institute due to the inconsistency of the standard and authenticity and accuracy of the information presented.
I would take the information presented by WHO, CDC and similar regarding this latest swine flu outbreak, over details in Wikipedia.
However, regardless of the source - swine flu is a serious matter and we need to have access to current and accurate information to allow the aviation industry and others to make balanced decisions and develop strategies to counteract any possible affects.
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I think CDC and WHO will be the most reliable sources for diseases outbreaks, also please understand that not many scientist are knowlegeable in this instance of swine flu because it would appear that this time around, it can transfer from human to human which previously thought was not possible.
It is not true, qantas has no specific detailed procedures that is standard to deal with Swine flu, nor bird flu. It only has procedures for dangerous goods removal which is removal of waste, but an infected human, there is no procedures for that on a full flight.
Also, I do not see an instant stock up of Relenza and Tamiflu in the qantas First Aid bags. These 2 anti retrovirus is said to be effective against Swine flu anectdotally. But it must be consumed within 8 hours of infection, not when symptoms appear. By the time symptoms appears, it may be already over 8 hours and non effective.
It (Swine flu virus) attacks respiratory organs, most notably the lungs. not a pretty sight to die of struggling for air in a full cabin.
"Qantas has standard procedures in place and regularly reviews them to manage these sorts of risks.
Also, I do not see an instant stock up of Relenza and Tamiflu in the qantas First Aid bags. These 2 anti retrovirus is said to be effective against Swine flu anectdotally. But it must be consumed within 8 hours of infection, not when symptoms appear. By the time symptoms appears, it may be already over 8 hours and non effective.
It (Swine flu virus) attacks respiratory organs, most notably the lungs. not a pretty sight to die of struggling for air in a full cabin.
Hope the RAAF have the F-111 fleet inoculated, wouldn't want the pigs to get the flu!
Any Piaggio P-166 left on the register, CASA will bring an AD inoculate them or cut them up.
Any Piaggio P-166 left on the register, CASA will bring an AD inoculate them or cut them up.
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QANTAS says all of its services are operating as normal despite the swine flu outbreak.
"We haven't encountered any episodes of (swine flu), but there are no specific changes to travel arrangements or Qantas services," a spokesman said today.
"We haven't encountered any episodes of (swine flu), but there are no specific changes to travel arrangements or Qantas services," a spokesman said today.
Does Qantas imply that until they actually is face with an episode/s of (swine flu) before they make any changes? Wouldn't that be a little too late? Taking people's life with a cavalier attitude. What a crock of an airline.
one would suspect the most profitable route to Americas cannot be changed regardless, profit already down 30% in premium classes to Americas and A380 not filling up to the brim with standing room only, so if Qantas started to make changes in this route, then it would really mean the end of Qantas as we know it, it will only be done as the very last resort, such as a documented spread of swine flu on one of their flights, in which case, reputation would have been tarnished already.
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I'm with Amelia. Wikipedia is tainted. You need to fully understand Wiki to know why. Here's a small offering, a tiny insight:
"Wikipedia is a social media encyclopedia. That is to say, it is the work of thousands of people collaborating across the Internet to write millions of articles on every subject one would expect to find in an encyclopedia, and many more. People are free to edit other peoples’ words, adding their own knowledge to the sum. The constitutional principles of Wikipedia demand that such edits and additions be written from a “Neutral Point of View”. Every article is backed up by a discussion page, where the people who are working on that article can meet and work out their differences in an atmosphere where good faith is assumed. Ultimately, differences which are not so resolved are put to community vote. In sum, Wikipedia is socially constructed reality.
Wikipedia has drawn its detractors across many fronts. One thing that both supporters and detractors agree on, however, is the remarkable speed with which Wikipedia is updated to reflect the world around us. When any significant event happens, the appropriate page is updated within minutes, or even within seconds, by someone. Be it a public statement of a treasury official, the passing of a celebrity or a car bomb going off on a street in Beirut, the appropriate Wikipedia pages are updated before the story has finished scrolling across the wire."
Take naked short selling as an example. Don't know what naked short selling is? Not interested? Then don't look up:
The Hijacking Of Social Media | Deep Capture: exposing the crime of naked short selling
We're not all doomed, but we are all being manipulated.
Swine flu a hoax?
No, but when my kids come home from school and complain about their teachers disallowing the use of Wiki as a resource for any and all school projects, EVER, you need information on Wiki, real inside-information before going to school and complaining to the hard working, dedicated and concerned teachers that are denying your son or daughter the use of what is widely misidentified as a valid source of information.
We all have a duty, to ourselves and to the potential readers of these posts, to ensure that what we contribute to this and any other social media site is accurate.
Wikipedia cannot be used because it is tainted. And however much your warm view of the world suggests otherwise, it is impossible to change that reality.
"Wikipedia is a social media encyclopedia. That is to say, it is the work of thousands of people collaborating across the Internet to write millions of articles on every subject one would expect to find in an encyclopedia, and many more. People are free to edit other peoples’ words, adding their own knowledge to the sum. The constitutional principles of Wikipedia demand that such edits and additions be written from a “Neutral Point of View”. Every article is backed up by a discussion page, where the people who are working on that article can meet and work out their differences in an atmosphere where good faith is assumed. Ultimately, differences which are not so resolved are put to community vote. In sum, Wikipedia is socially constructed reality.
Wikipedia has drawn its detractors across many fronts. One thing that both supporters and detractors agree on, however, is the remarkable speed with which Wikipedia is updated to reflect the world around us. When any significant event happens, the appropriate page is updated within minutes, or even within seconds, by someone. Be it a public statement of a treasury official, the passing of a celebrity or a car bomb going off on a street in Beirut, the appropriate Wikipedia pages are updated before the story has finished scrolling across the wire."
Take naked short selling as an example. Don't know what naked short selling is? Not interested? Then don't look up:
The Hijacking Of Social Media | Deep Capture: exposing the crime of naked short selling
We're not all doomed, but we are all being manipulated.
Swine flu a hoax?
No, but when my kids come home from school and complain about their teachers disallowing the use of Wiki as a resource for any and all school projects, EVER, you need information on Wiki, real inside-information before going to school and complaining to the hard working, dedicated and concerned teachers that are denying your son or daughter the use of what is widely misidentified as a valid source of information.
We all have a duty, to ourselves and to the potential readers of these posts, to ensure that what we contribute to this and any other social media site is accurate.
Wikipedia cannot be used because it is tainted. And however much your warm view of the world suggests otherwise, it is impossible to change that reality.
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Before you turn up to work tomorrow adding a mask to your uniform, the word is according to the ABC seven thirty report show, IF you live in a third world country, and receive no medical help you COULD cark it, those who live in this country with the help of a GP will feel mildly unwell, but will not (A) turn into a pig (B) will go back to work after a few days of feeling a little peaky, however the press will now have a field day, scaring the crap out of all the hypocondriacs, and will bring to the surface some bioscientist who has been buried in some onclave in CBR for years, declaring (mournfully) a epidemic of enormous preportions that will see many of us gasping our last, all of course which will add to the misery already suffered by the airlines and staff, and will give AJ and Virgin reason to add another 1,000 or so to the "goodbye" list. It never rains but pours doesn't it.
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These 2 anti retrovirus is said to be effective against Swine flu anectdotally. But it must be consumed within 8 hours of infection, not when symptoms appear. By the time symptoms appears, it may be already over 8 hours and non effective.
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wonder if crew call in sick with flu symptoms will be subject to the usual team managers hassles and interrogation and pesky phone calls and letter in the mail as per procedures, in that case than I think crew who have flu like symptoms should just soldier on and not call in sick but bring the flu to work, otherwise you risk having team manager hassling you and a potential chapter eleven for taking so many sick leave.
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iriver88, can you please supply your source for the above supposition?
You can check on the info, it is made by GlaxoSimthKline
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sorry my bad, it was 48 hours window after infection, it has been so long since I took Relenza, I forgot, anyways you should take it as soon as possible, but if, like ditch handle, you'd rather play around with your life before the 48 hour limit is up before taking Relenza after an infection, it's entirely up to you
Relenza information from the manufacturer
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_relenza.pdf
Tamiflu is different again, I have not taken Tamiflu before. I can assure you my flu went away very quickly after taking Relenza, but as the doctor said I was within the window after infection, oddly, I caught that flu in one of my flights.
Relenza information from the manufacturer
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_relenza.pdf
Tamiflu is different again, I have not taken Tamiflu before. I can assure you my flu went away very quickly after taking Relenza, but as the doctor said I was within the window after infection, oddly, I caught that flu in one of my flights.
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Its people like you I have to battle with most days........misinformation can kill patients too.
By the way,you don't like Qantas, we get it
By the way,you don't like Qantas, we get it
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