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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 11:05
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Gosh, that sounds like my mum!
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 12:12
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Interesting to see the demographics if you break them up by division. All the young ones are QCCA or domestic, while all the traditional LHCC are prehistoric (with attitudes to match).

Handbag swinging here it comes!
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white pointer, you hit the bleedin' obvious right on the head.
as QCCA crew only started flying 18 months ago of course they would be younger.
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 21:31
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Indamiddle.....You have to read Whitepointer's post to understand what he/she has against QAL to understand....here is an example
Lowerlobe, are you saying if we voted no to the NY shuttle we would be back slipping there and better off? And if no Australian ventured up to London the base would be dead and buried?
she is anti seniority...anti QF L/H....pro giving into the company....pro S/H..
All the young ones are QCCA or domestic
Don't you love that bit...there are no old girls in domestic according to White Pointer....

Also as I said WP....the company got a yes vote and did it bring back the slip....but noooo you can always trust the company......

The sad part is that she talks about hand bag swinging but she starts the argument and that shows how bitter and twisted she really is....

Orangputi...Well,I too have travelled a fair bit since I left flying with QF and I have to say you are full of it.Since all the airlines have cut back it seems as though there are lots of airlines that are not what they used to be.

However,with QF I have had some very good flights with the exception of IFE problems and other tech issues causing a delay...and you can hardly blame that on Cabin Crew....But with your description of the SIA girls it is apparent that you are one of those who just likes Asian women so no amount of logic will please you.
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 22:08
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After not visiting this site for months, it's good to see that Cabin Crew posts and issues are still really raising the standard of information on this forum. Drama Queens are out in force.

Every thread that mentions Qantas turns into slanging match involving the much unloved and unrespected QF LHCC forum posters are who not wanted anywhere else due to poor form. Frustrating for those of us who don't want to be involved.

Looks like a return to this forum was a waste of time.
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 22:56
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I fly an aircraft type which uses both LH and SH cabin crew and I can assure you that neither side has a monopoly on age, attitude, competence, or efficiency.
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 23:01
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Crusty Demon.....It seems as though you have a short term or selective memory...

You(pilot) also attack the pilot conditions used by Jetstar but when cabin Crew disagree it's somehow different to you....So you're right...

Maybe it's best if you stay away

DirectAnywhere.....If you look at the pay and conditions for the upper management and the board it's a systemic problem and not just for cabin crew,pilots etc....

The main problem is not so much the pay issue of crew instead it's rather an organizational problem that is the cause or the answer to cutting costs...

The old inverted pyramid issue of the airlines management structure is the heart of the problem...

A study years ago looking at a certain level of management found that compared to another much larger airline, we had far more levels of management....so if you want to make the airline more efficient and competitive one way would be to reduce the levels of upper management....big time.

The problem is that which part of the company gets these reports.

Whenever the company commissions a consultant to tell them where the problem is....the ones that should go are given that very analysis.....

And what do they do with the report...file and bury it to save their own jobs.....
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 23:15
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It's always handbags at twenty paces in a LHCC thread. They just cant seem to come to terms with the realisation that their little empire is crumbling around them, because of them voting in the b scale for QCCA crew in the last EBA. And all for a bit of cash in the hand

Bring on the QCCA crew, bring em on! (That's the only reason that the CC demographic has become younger in the last million years of Qantas LHCC)
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 23:15
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Youth is Fleeting

For all those that poke fun at older QF CC you should bear in mind that like you they were young once.Youth is fleeting .Enjoy it while you can.
All those older crew members were the ones that gave Qantas the reputation it enjoyed between the 60s and late 80s.A friendly efficient cabin crew with a can do attitude.
Mind you they were well resourced then.IFE worked, there were more crew and the place was like a family.Qantas ran on mutual respect.
Today the brand gets hammered and older employees are an easy target.
As far as wages go.Two things increased CC wages.The introduction of the bid system in 88.This was forced on the crew.The second thing was the floating of the A $ in 1984.
I made more money working on harbour cruises(in the late 70s and early 80s) as a Cruise Director than I did working for Qantas.
Qantas was a proud fun place to work.Everyone on the same page.
Now employees and management dont even read the same book.
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Old 2nd Jul 2009, 23:35
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Thank you for the most sensible reply so far. At least some one can see the reality of things.

QF have had an easy time across the Pacific until recently, basically competing just with United Airlines who have the same cost and staff issues. Someone going to Europe can fly via Singapore, Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok, Seoul, Taipei, Dubai, Abu Dhabi and soon Doha. With the Asian and Middle Eastern hubs, the days of just QF/BA to Heathrow and connect on from there are over.

What used to involve landing in a countries capital city and then catching a domestic flight onward has been replaced by, fly to a hub such as Dubai and catch a direct flight from there, SYD one stop to Birmingham or Glasgow. Great for business, and why not have an exotic stop over if on holiday.

I often fly with pilots who have been laid off or whose previous airline went broke, including a few ex Ansett. Things need to be sorted out before you find yourselves in the same boat. If not the following may prove usefull:
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Old 3rd Jul 2009, 00:29
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Funbags said,

They just cant seem to come to terms with the realisation that their little empire is crumbling around them
obviously, neither can some pilots...

Metro Man must be airline management here in Australia. He seems to be getting a hard on at the thought of Australians on third world conditions, while not offering any solutions.

What used to involve landing in a countries capital city and then catching a domestic flight onward has been replaced by, fly to a hub such as Dubai and catch a direct flight from there
Metro, so how does QF compete with this? Do we move Sydney to Dubai? Maybe if management actually managed and bought the right equipment at the right time, rather than focusing on screwing their empoyees, they might have had a fleeting chance at competing.

I notice that management salaries don't compete with those airlines you have mentioned, either.
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Old 3rd Jul 2009, 01:20
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Metro, so how does QF compete with this?
If I knew that I'd become a consultant and make millions selling QF the answer.
I don't know, that's what the board of directors get paid astronomical amounts to sort out.

Complaining and refusing to face facts definately won't work.
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Old 3rd Jul 2009, 02:18
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Lowerlobe, get a life, you don't even work for Qantas. Yet you are the angriest of all flight attendant posters on here (even though you have retired).

What's wrong old chap?
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Old 3rd Jul 2009, 02:31
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Of course what is being conveniently ignored by those here who bemoan the impost on Qantas for having to pay it's cabin crew a first world living wage [as opposed to the preferable, third world subsistence wage] is the fact that recent worldwide airline profitability pressure is an out of line event.

An event described as not having been seen since the 1930s.

Just prior to the global financial meltdown Qantas reported a record annual profit in excess of AUD $1 Billion.

All whilst having to pay it's staff first world, living wages.......

_________

Oh Crusty,
please excuse lowerlobe. He just doesn't like hypocrites.......
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Old 3rd Jul 2009, 03:34
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Sorry LowerLobe,

You are right I will now dump SQ with their exceptional service and young attentive flight attendants and go back to QF next I fly back to OZ, even if QF business is worse than SQ economy! After all I am full of it aparently.


To be quite honest you are full of it! If you cannot handle the truth dont respond, I know I am being brutally honest but thats the way us aussies are! As for Asian women that has nothing to do with it, I will repeat again the difference between QF and SQ service is this:

SQ beautiful attentive flight attendants excellent food and IFE ( along with great ground staff there to help).

QF boiler city with ladyboys, crap IFE and you would get better service down the local pub, at least the barmaid would smile and not look at you as if you are being a burden!

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Ageist sexist homophobic...go see a shrink about your relationship with your mom
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Thanks for your response Bulstrode,

I respect anyones opinion. However, I am yet to get a response on how QF inflight service is better than some of the carriers mentioned. Furthermore, a response about how the pax's are treated by the boilers and ladyboys.

Sorry it is a poor product isnt it. So instead of trying to analyse my state of mind I may be sexist to you but I know who I will be flying on along with a lot of my business class expat friends. The feminist nazi attitude doesnt help much either!
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Old 3rd Jul 2009, 05:24
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Qantas:A Poor Product

Employees are not responsible for the quality of the Qantas product.
They did not purchase the IFE.They are not responsible for the aging fleet.They are not responsible for the lack of manpower and resources.
They are apologists for the airline and have been apologizing for 10 years,
Try apologizing 100 times a day for service failures that occur through no fault of your own
After awhile it wears you down.
Copping abuse from customers accelerates the process.
Dont blame the employees for the product.
They are as much a victim of it as the customers
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My 2c worth...

Flew on SQ Sydney to Singapore just last Saturday in business on the A380.

Reasonable business product, but quite frankly, a bit disappointing. I'll go through it.

Check-in: slooooooow to get the bags dropped off, despite having checked in online. BA FBD desks at Heathrow take about 1/10 the time this did.

J-class lounge in Sydney: dark, dingy & poky. Should've gone to the AirNZ one. It's a stretch to call it a 'lounge' - 'holding pen' might be more descriptive. The Ethiopian Airlines offering in Addis is better. 2/10 (and they only get that because they had Cascade in the fridge.)

Crew: I can look on the net (or even walk down the street on a warm day) for honeys, so I expect business class crew to be professional rather than cute. These guys were... ok. Nothing great, but ok and everything done pretty much by the book. 6/10

Seat: Comfy, but that width is truly silly. Watching the TV, I was so far from each armrest that I had to sit there with my arms crossed. Every time the bloke behind me (who slept from the go) rolled over, his feet would bump the little tunnel and I'd get vibrated. And having to get up to pull the bed out - just power-recline the thing like everyone else!

Then there was the fact that the ceiling lights were so glary, I could not actually see the action on the TV until I took my RM's off and squatted on the seat. Try that for 2 x 2hr movies, not so comfy. Total 2/10

Food: no choice of entrees - 1/10 by itself - but then consider that the 2 monster prawns on top of the single offering would've killed me by way of anaphylactic shock - 0/10. Barramundi was ok (not outstanding) - 7/10 but the dessert was nothing to write home about - 3/10. At no point during the online booking or check-in process was Book the Cook offered so I didn't get to have that - 0/10. Wine and beer selection disappointing - 3/10 although the espresso machine is a good idea (which they got from the Rat) - 6/10. Total 3/10

Oh yes then during a leg-stretch downstairs, I saw some triple-choc Cornettos being munched and I was given the third degree when I had the temerity to ask for one.

Self-serve bar & snacks: having recently experienced the EK A380 J-class bar, no comparison. Hopeless. Better off just not bothering. 1/10

Amentities: no kits to L/H business pax . You can't get away with that sort of caper on one of your major routes. -10/10

Bed: disappointing. They say it's wide, which it is in parts, but given the constrictive width of the foot 'tunnel' it's not like you can starfish as on the queen-size at home. Indeed effective width is only about 45cm or so. And the palaver to open the thing out... 4/10

So - generally, I'm glad the company was paying because it certainly didn't live up to the hype and I'd have felt very short-changed if I'd been paying. A reasonable product, yes, but other full-service carriers would have to actually be wilfully bad to undercook my experience by much. Frankly for a 7-hour trip, I would not have felt hard done by if the boss had put me in cattle. The main benefit for me was the baggage allowance. They're not that great.

White Pointer,

Just FYI mate, on Rat domestic there are lots of F/As who have come back from L/H because they've got kids and want to be home with the kids more often. So I don't know where you get the idea it's full of youngsters.

They may be 'boilers', but they are experienced enough to be able to do you a full hot service between Sydney and Melbourne and when I'm on the 06.15, that's what I need - not ditzy eye candy which I am realistic enough to know I'll never be able to touch anyway, which then proceeds to spill hot coffee over me at the first hint of turb.

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Old 3rd Jul 2009, 05:54
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Dear Captain Que,

I agree and sympathise, however this does not help me the business traveller that your company is trying to get some loyalty out of.

I was engineer in this once great Airline and left on very good terms, but now it is just crap nothing more to say your comments confirm my point and I rest my case.
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