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Interesting perspective from Alan Kohler
See here, with a link there to the actual interview Business Spectator - Reading Joyce - Alan Kohler
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1750 jobs to go.
seems to be a very specific number. someone somewhere (beancounters) must know how many from each division are going. how long is it going to be kept a secret for? or it just a fishing trip?
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I thought I read within the next two months..... potentially TWO months of waiting..... that will do alot for morale 
I also have two questions, genuine ones.... I don't want to start arguments.
As far as L/H CC CRs go, we all know it's last on, first off. In many ways this is fair, although personally I think CRs based on performance make more sense, so they are left with the "lean, efficient model" they are after. ( I know that system could be open to bribery, so potentially wouldn't work ). My question is.... alot of the newest crew are operating the A380, so how does CR work? If they follow the EBA, then the last on will go and there will need to be alot of re-training. That doesn't make sense. ( Besides getting enough QAL crew to switch over )
My other question is why can't we be trained on the A380 and the 744? Either give 767 flying to SH and keep 3 aircraft types, or train all QCCA on the A380 (and not fly 767 at all) and have cheap labour across the board. LHR base do it, and although my friend over there said it was intially confusing, he is used to the differences after a few flights.
Any thoughts?
I also have two questions, genuine ones.... I don't want to start arguments.
As far as L/H CC CRs go, we all know it's last on, first off. In many ways this is fair, although personally I think CRs based on performance make more sense, so they are left with the "lean, efficient model" they are after. ( I know that system could be open to bribery, so potentially wouldn't work ). My question is.... alot of the newest crew are operating the A380, so how does CR work? If they follow the EBA, then the last on will go and there will need to be alot of re-training. That doesn't make sense. ( Besides getting enough QAL crew to switch over )
My other question is why can't we be trained on the A380 and the 744? Either give 767 flying to SH and keep 3 aircraft types, or train all QCCA on the A380 (and not fly 767 at all) and have cheap labour across the board. LHR base do it, and although my friend over there said it was intially confusing, he is used to the differences after a few flights.
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FAAA is not opposed to crew working A380 and other aircraft subject to CASA. FAAA was always of the view that it should have been just another aircraft in the LH division but the company were not prepared to negotiate an EBA with LH crew on that basis.
They could have used workchoices (much of it still in place) to set up a new company just to operate the A380 or used MAM or SH crew and totally bypassed the LH division,
The EBA was a compromise. As the WFC continue to unfold all options will be revisited and explored prior to any CR whatsoever, including the operation of overseas bases
They could have used workchoices (much of it still in place) to set up a new company just to operate the A380 or used MAM or SH crew and totally bypassed the LH division,
The EBA was a compromise. As the WFC continue to unfold all options will be revisited and explored prior to any CR whatsoever, including the operation of overseas bases
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Word is that 2 levels are to go in engineering hierarchy between LAME and D Cox's level. A few titles to change but 2 distinct levels will go.GH and DC to make the calls I hear.
Why stop at 2? I feel for anyone losing a job but I really cannot see how some of these positions add any value or serve any real purpose at all.
No Sydney LAMEs to go but some will be asked to shift locations I believe.
Why stop at 2? I feel for anyone losing a job but I really cannot see how some of these positions add any value or serve any real purpose at all.
No Sydney LAMEs to go but some will be asked to shift locations I believe.
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still plenty of qcca not on the A380, plus all the crew available in lhr, bkk, akl. qf will not be running out of cabin crew on the A380. still, it may prevent the bosses chopping crew numbers down by much if any at all
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No Sydney LAMEs to go but some will be asked to shift locations I believe.
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Engineering DMMs and Supervisors come under the scope
Yippee now maybe all the domestic DMM transferred to the SIT will get the bullet, god knows they are all useless, have no idea how the area works and love playing people off against others...that must be the "Domestic Way"
Time to get rid of them, they wont be missed but please take "Knob Head" with you, I am sure Base Servicing doesnt want him either!
Time to get rid of them, they wont be missed but please take "Knob Head" with you, I am sure Base Servicing doesnt want him either!
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Have heard today.
Engineering DMMs and Supervisors come under the scope of the 500 managers to go !!
Engineering DMMs and Supervisors come under the scope of the 500 managers to go !!
Engineering DMMs and Supervisors come under the scope
Yippee now maybe all the domestic DMM transferred to the SIT will get the bullet, god knows they are all useless, have no idea how the area works and love playing people off against others...that must be the "Domestic Way"
Yippee now maybe all the domestic DMM transferred to the SIT will get the bullet, god knows they are all useless, have no idea how the area works and love playing people off against others...that must be the "Domestic Way"
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Why? Seems to me to be a position created by DM to seperate himself from the front line because he is an industrial relations stooge, not an engineer. Time for him to return to the Mills.
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Umm but I reckon the distribution of d!ckheads is pretty even.If an individual is a clown its not because of where he's from.
Can we keep it civil pls.
There are good people all over qf and some duds.
If you got one or 2 , bad luck and blame the selection criteria not the domestic boys and girls.
Can we keep it civil pls.
There are good people all over qf and some duds.
If you got one or 2 , bad luck and blame the selection criteria not the domestic boys and girls.
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G'day Ngineer,
yes , thats correct.
2 levels to go between LAME and Cox's level .Includes seniors dmms ops manager up and up.......GAV H and Cox to decide.
Obviously seniors wont go but in some areas even DMM/Supervisor could be considered. Like I said a few days ago why stop at 2, make it 3 or 4!!
At least the ops managers themselves have eng background licences etc whereas others have no eng experience at all just IR / biz management etc.
Room for both skillsets but the position MUST add value and have a REAL job and not act as a buffer or info shuffler for the next level up.
yes , thats correct.
2 levels to go between LAME and Cox's level .Includes seniors dmms ops manager up and up.......GAV H and Cox to decide.
Obviously seniors wont go but in some areas even DMM/Supervisor could be considered. Like I said a few days ago why stop at 2, make it 3 or 4!!
At least the ops managers themselves have eng background licences etc whereas others have no eng experience at all just IR / biz management etc.
Room for both skillsets but the position MUST add value and have a REAL job and not act as a buffer or info shuffler for the next level up.
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Thanks mate.
I see your point. But the position of DMM in either base or a line station requires tasks that would have to be re-allocated to another level of employee, and although this possibly could be done, it would take some time. Unless there is a surplus of DMM's in some depts? Or maybe if various dept's were combined to operate under the same DMM?
At the end of the day, If a DMM spot is being filled by a troublemaker, I think all would rather see that individual gone, rather than that position.
Who knows.........Next week should be a very interesting week, and one in which most are looking forward too.
I can easily think of at least 2 levels below GH that could be given the flick, and quite frankly we were better off in the past without.
I see your point. But the position of DMM in either base or a line station requires tasks that would have to be re-allocated to another level of employee, and although this possibly could be done, it would take some time. Unless there is a surplus of DMM's in some depts? Or maybe if various dept's were combined to operate under the same DMM?
At the end of the day, If a DMM spot is being filled by a troublemaker, I think all would rather see that individual gone, rather than that position.
Who knows.........Next week should be a very interesting week, and one in which most are looking forward too.
I can easily think of at least 2 levels below GH that could be given the flick, and quite frankly we were better off in the past without.
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2 levels to go between LAME and Cox's level .Includes seniors dmms ops manager up and up.......GAV H and Cox to decide.
You would think he would he would have some say in it.
Just a thought
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No Reflection on my Domestic Bros, they are fine and hardworking like all LAME's but the SIT & Base Servicing have inherited these people who obviously interview well but thats about all, have no management or real skills with regard to people organisational handling...When will the likes of Management wakeup and have people who know their own area manage it instead of putting people who have no idea in an area they dont have a clue about..
As for levels going, can see Domestic and SIT being run remotely from Base Servicing with a supervisor at each terminal co ordinating it all and the Base DMM running the whole show...Cost saving inexcess of probably 3 to 4 M .... no Ops Managers, No SIT or DOM manager, no DMM's
If your going to insitute change then lets be realistic after all it only QF we will be looking after no other Operators...
As for levels going, can see Domestic and SIT being run remotely from Base Servicing with a supervisor at each terminal co ordinating it all and the Base DMM running the whole show...Cost saving inexcess of probably 3 to 4 M .... no Ops Managers, No SIT or DOM manager, no DMM's
If your going to insitute change then lets be realistic after all it only QF we will be looking after no other Operators...
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Remember when James Strong came in and reduced management levels to 4 steps from shop floor to CEO.
We still had Supervisors & DMMs and it worked well. Where is all the fat now, north of DMM position.
Time to cut into the top 10 or so layers... I dare say there will be more than 3 - 4 Million saved.
We still had Supervisors & DMMs and it worked well. Where is all the fat now, north of DMM position.
Time to cut into the top 10 or so layers... I dare say there will be more than 3 - 4 Million saved.
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As the WFC continue to unfold all options will be revisited and explored prior to any CR whatsoever, including the operation of overseas bases
One would argue all option would include a pay cut on executives and board salaries but that would never ever happen, so not all options will be explored, Commonwealth Bank CEO took a 10% pay cut. So did Virgin executives in Aus taking a pay cut.
only some options favorable to management as a first priority, and profit adding as a 2nd priority will be revisited and explored. You are kidding yourself if you think management will look after Union interest as a first priority. What a joke. Who cares about front line staff at Qantas? certainly not your management, not even the public. You're just another faceless number.
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I think you'll find a lot of SDT LAMES are ex-Base, (Servicing, Base Servicing, Minor Maint or Base Maint; whatever they want to call it nowdays), which have been ex-SIT from the old days of rotation or have worked SIT from Base.
I know its been a while but.......
I know its been a while but.......
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Payrise?????
Is it true that technical crew are receiving an 18% payrise? If so, this is astonishing given the prospect of mass redundancies in QF. A SO told me this the other day, but could someone verify?I don't understand this. If this payrise was forgone, then surely those lower down in the pecking order could keep their jobs. I'm surprised the media hasn't seized on this little nugget.
