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Old 16th Apr 2009, 14:09
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Overpayment

I agree that you dont believe you are overpaid and your base salary is correct but in the real world a supervisor would be lucky to earn your base salary not to mention allowances overtime annual leave staff travel benefits, etc etc etc etc. You have no idea how good you have it when you leave this job the penny will drop, but I understand where you are coming from you just dont know any better, its not your fault
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 14:11
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NB. Observer

Another upset pilot earning less then us.. maybe.

You know what - jealousy is ugly.

I'm going to keep pouring a cuppa and chuckin a bickie for as long as I can to earn my 90k. And as soon as that ends I will look for the next job that earns me hopefully more doing much the same easy [email protected] so I can continue to have half of every month off and take a 6 week break every year.

I look at some of the suits we carry and think of how lucky I am. Life.. it's all about choice, and Observer thats just what we offer your catergry at Qantas. You want a 30K hostie who will run you through the motions Ol' mate Dixon did you a favor and set up JQ.

Now, gotta bid before this red really kicks in..... Happy Cashed Up Flyin' Girls! x
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 14:19
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Angle of Attack - so what are the typical numbers burn-wise for a 744 and 773 then? I am damn sure the difference is more than 2 tonnes - that is about what the 737-700 burns in the cruise per hour.

From boeing website


777-300ER 47,890 MAX FUEL (181,280 L) 143211 kg MAX RANGE 7,930 nautical miles

747-400ER 63,705 MAX FUEL (241,140 L) 190501 kg MAX RANGE 7,670 nautical miles

Ok these are very basic Boeing marketing numbers and I assume that they are based on max range carrying max fuel but they show a difference here of 47 tonnes with the 777 pulling an extra 260 NM. 28 tonnes at typical weights and winds looks reasonable to me - on what do you base your 2 tonne difference????
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 14:20
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The Real World My World

I had other employment before flying.The realities of the non flying world are indelibly etched on my memory.Before flying I had Christmas Birthdays and anniversaries at home.I also got to spend every night in my own bed.I made a choice to work as a flight attendant.
My wages have only improved because of company decisions ie.the introduction of the bid system.Instead of receiving a blanket wage, under the bid system we are paid for hours worked.
I had a second job before the bid system because my QF wage was so poor.We also traded off 25% of our stand down time.
The wage in the real world for a supervisor is dependent on the industry and level of responsiblity and will therefore vary enormously
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 14:22
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You are absolutely correct enjoy it while it lasts , I do not blame any hostie for what they are paid I merely point out the obvious that out there in the real world your equivalent would be lucky to earn half as much including your benefits. I'm stating the obvious and why should you not be thankful you are so well renumerated. Even the new QACA are still well renumerated in todays standards. Controversial I know but in this climate with so many families being made redundent think Pacific bonds etc, I am sure these people would be grateful to be earning half of what you earn with all your extra benefits.
Does this sound unreasonable in this climate?????
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 14:32
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I understand what sacrifices you made to become a flight attendant and that you believe you are fairly renumerated.My point is that in todays climate and I understand that you have been employed with Qantas for 20 years, you would not find all htese conditions if you were to supervise a team operating in a similar on the ground. I understand the ins and out of your role and you too know that others would do your job for half . I am not saying this is fare on you but a market reality and if Qantas is to surviive and you know that labour costs in the LH division or mainline crew are out of touch . This is a reality I think you appreciate this point.
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 14:34
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This Climate?

Is a temporary economic glitch.
Travelling has made me aware that Australia is a place where the cost of living has gone up and wages in real terms have gone down.This the root cause of the ballooning debt in Australia.To live here you need to earn more than the average wage.So most people borrow.
You are saying that a supervisor in some other industry would be happy to earn $26K?If they are 18 years old you might be right.
A mate has been a self employed builder for 25years.He decided he had enough and applied for a supervisor position at a Hardware chain.His starting base wage $62K.He has other perks such as substantial discounts on instore purchases,generous leave entitlements,sick leave and a staff canteen.
This is the real world.He readily admits that he has less responsiblity than me .
I dont know which world you live in but it aint mine and it aint his
NB Learn how to use spell check
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 14:36
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Of course the point that really needs to be understood is that 12 months or so ago Qantas earned a record profit in the order of 1.5 billion.

This downturn is cyclical and the market will recover.
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 14:43
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$62K Supervisor

Hey is this true maybe I am naive then a supervisor in a hardware store earning $62K.
To put my point in perspective if you take the other benefits you have and your base wage was reduced, I still think most people would consider your total package very attractive, That is to say your seniority, allowances, staff travel, free transport, dry cleaning of uniforms, quality of accomadation.six weeks annual leave per year 21 days sick leave and additional leave, a union , and many other conditions that do not exist in many jobs these days .
I am surprised to learn that an entry supervisor working at a hardware earns $62 , I would be curious to hear what others have to say though most people on this sight are well paid and are acutely aware of what conditions pilots and cabin crew enjoy

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Old 16th Apr 2009, 14:50
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The Nature of the Industry

The aviation industry world wide offers(with variations according to your domicile) these benefits.
Its the nature of the industry.
I am not interested in what you earn.Its entirely your affair.But please dont criticize others for their remuneration.Its their business not yours.
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 15:01
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I am not critisising you or your mate for what they earned if you earned $300K I would say good on you , I am merely stating the obvious in view of the recent job cuts and yes I know I sound like the company spruiking but from an outside perspective flight attendants, pilots and engineers appear to be well paid and these are areas where the company will seek to reduce labor costs and that there is a willing market out there who are willing to take your job for a lot less money. Your union already sanctioned the lower cost base to protect your jobs and look at how many applied.
We all know this I am merely weighing in on the debate and looking at the Labor cost side of the argument dealing with front line staff. I do not say you are overpaid I am saying out there people will do your role for less and maybe if you are proactive you can protect what is a very good and well paid job with fantastic benefits which are the envy of most people living in Australia.
I have the upmost respect for pilots and engineers and indeed flight attendants. I have made my point now i will leave it for others to find other angles as my argument is both sound obvious and it has all been said before.
Good luck in your career I hope you all manage to keep your conditions.
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sre enjoying conditions thsat belong in the last century
Many Long Haul CSMs bost of earning $120,000 per year
I have a lot of respect for flight attendsants and all n
but I understand where you are coming from you just dont know any better, its not your fault
Thanks for the life lesson!

Even the new QACA are still well renumerated in todays standards.
Don't you find them on Rottnest Island?

I am surprised to learn that an entry supervisor working at a hardware earns $62
Wow! You flight attendants are way overpaid! Remind me not to shop at Bunnings anymore. Hardware supervisors should get at least $100.



S/H 737 is:

a) Someone who was rejected by QF longhaul.

b) A gen Y ... say no more.

c) Typing his posts via Iphone with one hand while using his other hand for...you, know!

d) Someone who just finished doing their year 10 commerce assignment and picked QF as the company to study.

My guess is c and d
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 16:25
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15 years flying, am a long haul f/a, i pick up a reasonable amount of long range flying and the shorter stuff. my taxable income $71000. average taxable income in oz is $59000. i get $12000 extra for being away from home half of the year, how many christmas, birthdays and other events have i missed. i don't get public holidays (10 per year for a non shiftworker), i do get jet lag. i am not overpaid. ask the qcca crew who have moved back in with their parents after starting their new job if they feel they get paid adequately for what they do?
s/h 737, if you like dirt poor wages move to the USA. you will feel at home
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 19:37
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737 s/h go work for nothing?

737 S/H, long haul crew in qantas started only 32k base pay then the pay increases over the years. That is the wage I started 15 years ago, now of course my pay is very good but that is because of 15 years of hard work to get where I am now. Why I should take a 50% pay cut because of people like you are jealous ? If everyone takes a pay cut for 50%, then we as a nation will be a third world ! why you do not ask AJ and all these so called senior executives to take a 50% pay cut? go get a life !
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 19:50
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how incompetent they are

Only back in Feb the Qantas management was still talking up things and predicating $500M profit for the year, and insisting taking more deliveries of 380. Now suddenly Q will be making a loss of $180M second half of the year and delaying 380. How incompetent this management is ? I like to remind people like AJ and LG are ex AN executives who bankrupt the airline, well I like to see what they are going to to do to Qantas this time around.
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 22:30
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its a bit like that

AJ and the chair now use this year to reshape QF and trying to expand J*. why dont teh unions go and prvide AJ and the media with all the subsides provided by QF to J*.
S/H 737 go away as you have no idea about the industry.
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 22:54
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AOA, the ER averages 8 tonnes and hour, the -400 averages 10 tonnes an hour, the flight time is on average 14 hours. The average difference is 28 Tonnes. If one litre of aviation fuel was $1.50, then roughly speaking 28 000 times $1.50 would be a lot more than you earn in a year.

Check your Flight Sim manual.
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Old 16th Apr 2009, 22:56
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Looks like this site needs to be changed to PFARuNe
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Old 17th Apr 2009, 00:37
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Name Change?

No name change required for this site but perhaps just this thread
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Old 17th Apr 2009, 01:18
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Looks like a Green Eyed Monster is trolling on this thread.

Those on the conditions that are being attacked by the trolls need to remember that your union has generally negotiated away certain conditions,etc over the years for you to recieve your current wages and allowances.

Only consider 50% paycuts if the executive management consider 50% paycuts for themselves.Not likely.Every man & woman for themselves.
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