Dave Cox to leave QANTAS!!!
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alaea hm shut down
well i can tell you they were there.....and nothing they could put forward would change a thing.....the blokes at HM were asked if they could put forward anything to stop this and the reply was ...just tell them them we need to do the heavy maint in aust.mmmmmm its all history after that....but let me say something for their defence before you rip into them.......syd heavy maint ratio mech
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12 lame's to every ame
now thats great for aircraft maintenance but for making money its not and before you start ripping into me just think if you were running a shop what would you want ......i think somewhere in between would be good ...unleash on me
8.5 lame's to every ame
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12 lame's to every ame
now thats great for aircraft maintenance but for making money its not and before you start ripping into me just think if you were running a shop what would you want ......i think somewhere in between would be good ...unleash on me
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Agreed Rim. My old avionics crew in Sydney HM had around 7 LAME's to 2 AME's plus apprentices. My current Brissy crew has 4 LAME's (one non BHM type) to 3 AME's plus 2 apprentices. So in Sydney, if one LAME away occasionally, Ratio 3:3 usual case.
BUT..... with the way things are nowadays in Brisbane Heavy, on my crew, more often than not, one LAME is on secondment overseas, another is seconded to "tech cell" or other strange position, leaving 1 on type LAME to look after 3 AME's and 2 appretices. Ratio 1:5 usual case.
Now my crew, is not a normal crew, we work a seven day, dayshift only roster (By now, BHM people MUST know who I am; hi Brent, Paul, Nikki, Rick, Bob and any onthers reading), The normal Mon-Friday crews are often running with 1 LAME to 2 or 3 AME's plus 2 apprentices plus 1 or 2 contractors. 1:6 usual case.
Some contractors are a hinderance rather than help. Add to this production meetings, safety observations and other activities which are the responsibility of the LAME, and you soon see there aint much time left for supervision. Pretty much left to the 2 or 3 AME's to hold the hands of appretices/contractors.
Yes, Sydney had an excessive LAME:AME ratio, but the present situation is opposite. Which is safer?
BUT..... with the way things are nowadays in Brisbane Heavy, on my crew, more often than not, one LAME is on secondment overseas, another is seconded to "tech cell" or other strange position, leaving 1 on type LAME to look after 3 AME's and 2 appretices. Ratio 1:5 usual case.
Now my crew, is not a normal crew, we work a seven day, dayshift only roster (By now, BHM people MUST know who I am; hi Brent, Paul, Nikki, Rick, Bob and any onthers reading), The normal Mon-Friday crews are often running with 1 LAME to 2 or 3 AME's plus 2 apprentices plus 1 or 2 contractors. 1:6 usual case.
Some contractors are a hinderance rather than help. Add to this production meetings, safety observations and other activities which are the responsibility of the LAME, and you soon see there aint much time left for supervision. Pretty much left to the 2 or 3 AME's to hold the hands of appretices/contractors.
Yes, Sydney had an excessive LAME:AME ratio, but the present situation is opposite. Which is safer?
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so the ratios where sometimes a little high in Syd HM,but at other times they where the opposite and we would struggle for Lames,especial at the end of a check(with people on secondments,leave,training,duel certifying bits, etc),besides that the grade 3 and 4 lames where not on great pay it was $60 a week more than the most experienced ame's,I think the cost has been a lot higher for Qantas in the last few years than a few extra low paid Lame's it had.
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To Mr Fix It. I may be wrong but didn't JV come from Qantas before his arrival at Ansett? Many of us remember the NEWCO debacle, although not many of us actually saw him. We use to have the 'Where's John?' style of cartoon parody along the lines of 'Where's Wally?'. Didn't he retreat back to Qantas the day before the second grounding of Ansett's B767 fleet?
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Yes, Sydney had an excessive LAME:AME ratio, but the present situation is opposite. Which is safer?
Unfortunately times have changed. I have seen our aircraft in a hangar in HK with 1 LAME on shift, running between a QF aircraft plus 2 other aircraft in the same hangar. Which method is safer......
Thats a no-brainer.
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Ah yes where's wally? That was fun. and yes we used to say he was qantas plant to shut Ansett down.
In that, the job was well done.
It matters not from where these type spring from its the mindset that matters.
Ansett had some very fine people just very poor owners over the years who strip mined the place of working capital. qantas also has excellent people but I can see that from working for both companies qantas is still so entrenched in nepotism and empires its scary.
The way engineering is run is disgracefuly fragmented in its daily routines, paperwork, work pratices ....etc.And its not just the senior managers' fault. .Entrenched interests in lower areas of supervision and work practices ride roughshod over all efforts from above or below.The cull must go on and much further.
In that, the job was well done.
It matters not from where these type spring from its the mindset that matters.
Ansett had some very fine people just very poor owners over the years who strip mined the place of working capital. qantas also has excellent people but I can see that from working for both companies qantas is still so entrenched in nepotism and empires its scary.
The way engineering is run is disgracefuly fragmented in its daily routines, paperwork, work pratices ....etc.And its not just the senior managers' fault. .Entrenched interests in lower areas of supervision and work practices ride roughshod over all efforts from above or below.The cull must go on and much further.
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Forget John Vincent. Rumour I heard today was that David Edwards is set to step into Cox's shoes. How did it go when he was at Ansett - "I'll get you Butler!!!"
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
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you have got to be joking they would not could not be that silly...mmmmm well maybe ...but NO not him as our ansett mate's will no doubt back me on this one ......and ngineer 3a's and b's that was a life time ago ...and yes i have always said that qantas always did a better job but in the MORE recent times it has got a lot more costly ....and no i dont agree with it
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Could someone tell me why Qantas continues to hire ex Ansett managers in engineering? I have not seen a good one yet and they all worked for a failed airline which must not look too good on their resume.
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Oh I think they could be that stupid. He's been "General Manager - New Aircraft Readiness" until recently but I think he's moved on to General Manager of something else. Just be worried if you receive a video in the mail featuring him asking you to consider redundancy. Last time he did, Ansett was dead within 12 months.
Our only hope is that he might be one of the 90 managers to go in AJ's purge.
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Our only hope is that he might be one of the 90 managers to go in AJ's purge.
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
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I would hazard a guess and say the DE rumour is just that.He's too old now to be promoted to a position like that.All imho.
as for criticism of the former ansett managers... some were qantas trained and all were hired by qantas managers who are obviously far far superior.Not.
The underlings no matter what you think of them follow policy and procedure set by executive level people.
as for criticism of the former ansett managers... some were qantas trained and all were hired by qantas managers who are obviously far far superior.Not.
The underlings no matter what you think of them follow policy and procedure set by executive level people.
You know an organisation is in trouble when all new managers are hired from outside the company.
This is a function of narcissism. because there is a logical disconnect that says "anyone who works here must be stupid, so we will go hire a smart person from outside". I've watched this happen. A certain manager went through three externally sourced assistant managers in quick succession before she found one "special" and compliant enough to participate in her rotten schemes, a graduate of Oxford no less.
This is a function of narcissism. because there is a logical disconnect that says "anyone who works here must be stupid, so we will go hire a smart person from outside". I've watched this happen. A certain manager went through three externally sourced assistant managers in quick succession before she found one "special" and compliant enough to participate in her rotten schemes, a graduate of Oxford no less.
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old dinosaur
back to being a fossil old boy.
many pax have said to me the wrong airline went broke all but for the vague workings of the industry with its political machinations, very poor ownership etc.
Ansett went broke for many reasons, it was not because qantas had a better product.They were not even competitors until they were allowed to take on Australian.Years later the merger still has yet to gel.Culture clashes and legacy IT and paperwork still hinder progress.
Ask the old blue team who was better to work for!
Their (qantas') engineering was better in that money in old days was no object.If the money is there training will be good, easier to get and more thorough.Govt paid for excellent infrastructure that has been allowed to diminish or close over the last 10 years.
In other words that legacy has saved its backside with a nod and a wink from govt.
Ansett were a far better firm to work for when both were running in the good ol' days.Just ask all those ex qantas engineers who left qantas to prop up licence numbers throughout the industry.They didnt leave because they were happy campers.Some took the super payout, most just hated the culture.
I've worked for both , for contractors, overseas and in other areas.I am not qantas or ansett trained and have an open mind on both. From that position its easy to see where some of the problems are.
many pax have said to me the wrong airline went broke all but for the vague workings of the industry with its political machinations, very poor ownership etc.
Ansett went broke for many reasons, it was not because qantas had a better product.They were not even competitors until they were allowed to take on Australian.Years later the merger still has yet to gel.Culture clashes and legacy IT and paperwork still hinder progress.
Ask the old blue team who was better to work for!
Their (qantas') engineering was better in that money in old days was no object.If the money is there training will be good, easier to get and more thorough.Govt paid for excellent infrastructure that has been allowed to diminish or close over the last 10 years.
In other words that legacy has saved its backside with a nod and a wink from govt.
Ansett were a far better firm to work for when both were running in the good ol' days.Just ask all those ex qantas engineers who left qantas to prop up licence numbers throughout the industry.They didnt leave because they were happy campers.Some took the super payout, most just hated the culture.
I've worked for both , for contractors, overseas and in other areas.I am not qantas or ansett trained and have an open mind on both. From that position its easy to see where some of the problems are.
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guys lets not peel off from the thread and get into a an..vs..tn..vs...qf..here its about who may fill dc shoes ..it maybe no one so will have LS at the top of ops which has engineering back under its wing then you have GH/KMcD.....running the base and line then all the respective managers their lot cuts out cox's level
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Yes fair call rim.
I suspect DC will be replaced, he'll get a new title and the layers beneath will be a bit thinner.
AJ and LS have just started.
I suspect DC will be replaced, he'll get a new title and the layers beneath will be a bit thinner.
AJ and LS have just started.
