Jetstar its all about choice, well sort of..
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Jetstar its all about choice, well sort of..
Well Jetstars its now March and its all quiet. Or is it JPA?
For mine, there seems to be a distinct last of interest from the more senior crews at Jetstar to move across to the NZ operation or anywhere else for that matter. To the point where its stating to cause managment some indigestion.
To try to ease the pain..... rather than take some Mylanta I suspect the proverbial atomic bomb maybe about to be dropped on the boys and girls in the Southern Jetstar bases to encourage some of those happy smiling Jetstar TV "choices" to be made.
Heres a theory......
First of all to achieve the correct result (choices) it will necessitate the "re-allocation of assets". Has anyone heard that Melbourne base is going to loose an aircraft??.....Hmmm if it did the base would be over crewed..right?? (work with me here a little)
Next.....Say that Hobart and Avalon then also had their "assets re-allocated"...Well possible maybe even probable.....(Now we're getting somewhere)
All of a sudden Jetstar have no base in either Hobart or Avalon + excess crew in Melbourne by a few.
NZ crewing issure resolved because the Boys and Girls at happy smiling Jetstar its all about "choice" (TV ad not my words), now get to make a "choice". Obviously Melbourne would be/is mostly the preferred "choice" but thats not an available "choice" anymore because itself has excess crew. Boys and Girls you're "choice" is now Auckland or may I say it Darwin....That is if you still want a job.
I maybe wrong but I'm sure someone out there knows something in regards to this.........
I just hope those eunuchs that call themselves the JPA remember who they actually represent! (Thats crew not management in case you HAVE actually forgotten). I suspect the the time to stand and be counted is approaching JPA; EVERYONE in the pilot community is watching you.
Now I'm going to grab a drink, a packet of crisps (paid for of course)and sit back and watch cause this is going to get very interesting.......
Oh, and before all the bash the posted messages come in......remember its not me who's standing behind making you weak at the knees if you get my drift..
For mine, there seems to be a distinct last of interest from the more senior crews at Jetstar to move across to the NZ operation or anywhere else for that matter. To the point where its stating to cause managment some indigestion.
To try to ease the pain..... rather than take some Mylanta I suspect the proverbial atomic bomb maybe about to be dropped on the boys and girls in the Southern Jetstar bases to encourage some of those happy smiling Jetstar TV "choices" to be made.
Heres a theory......
First of all to achieve the correct result (choices) it will necessitate the "re-allocation of assets". Has anyone heard that Melbourne base is going to loose an aircraft??.....Hmmm if it did the base would be over crewed..right?? (work with me here a little)
Next.....Say that Hobart and Avalon then also had their "assets re-allocated"...Well possible maybe even probable.....(Now we're getting somewhere)
All of a sudden Jetstar have no base in either Hobart or Avalon + excess crew in Melbourne by a few.
NZ crewing issure resolved because the Boys and Girls at happy smiling Jetstar its all about "choice" (TV ad not my words), now get to make a "choice". Obviously Melbourne would be/is mostly the preferred "choice" but thats not an available "choice" anymore because itself has excess crew. Boys and Girls you're "choice" is now Auckland or may I say it Darwin....That is if you still want a job.
I maybe wrong but I'm sure someone out there knows something in regards to this.........
I just hope those eunuchs that call themselves the JPA remember who they actually represent! (Thats crew not management in case you HAVE actually forgotten). I suspect the the time to stand and be counted is approaching JPA; EVERYONE in the pilot community is watching you.
Now I'm going to grab a drink, a packet of crisps (paid for of course)and sit back and watch cause this is going to get very interesting.......
Oh, and before all the bash the posted messages come in......remember its not me who's standing behind making you weak at the knees if you get my drift..
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waren9,
Thanks for the private message
. Perhaps if you've got something to say you might like to put it out there for EVERYONE to see.
Its fact and common knowledge that some crew at Jetstar are sick and tired of comments and deals done behind closed doors hence the reason I felt it necessary to post in the first place.
As far as my last post goes why don't you get the JPA to issue a statement on where they stand if its "going to piss people off" (your words not mine.)
Thanks for the private message
. Perhaps if you've got something to say you might like to put it out there for EVERYONE to see. Its fact and common knowledge that some crew at Jetstar are sick and tired of comments and deals done behind closed doors hence the reason I felt it necessary to post in the first place.
As far as my last post goes why don't you get the JPA to issue a statement on where they stand if its "going to piss people off" (your words not mine.)
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So from the sound of all this Hobart and Avalon are going the same way as Adelaide.
Feel sorry the crew if this is the case although I'm sure the JPA and management would be talking to their members/Crew already if it was actually happening. If not then, the who's rogering who question might need to be asked.....
I hope I'm wrong
Feel sorry the crew if this is the case although I'm sure the JPA and management would be talking to their members/Crew already if it was actually happening. If not then, the who's rogering who question might need to be asked.....
I hope I'm wrong
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Uratool.
Havent disagreed with anything you've said at all. In fact, any bystander will find it easy to see the scenario you propose is probably roughly what is going to play out over time.
All I did was suggest that there might be a slightly more effective and constructive way of making progress than this forum. Thats all.
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Havent disagreed with anything you've said at all. In fact, any bystander will find it easy to see the scenario you propose is probably roughly what is going to play out over time.
All I did was suggest that there might be a slightly more effective and constructive way of making progress than this forum. Thats all.
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And to top it all off, a long line of potential 'new' training captains willing to train their 'low cost' Akl based replacements despite the Pac Blue example of how it will all transpire. The race to the bottom seems to be quite competitive.
Its not management that destroy your T &C's, its the pilots.
Its not management that destroy your T &C's, its the pilots.
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Latest i have heard is that they are RHS endorsing line Captains whether you want to RHS fly or not, during your Cyclic.
As you said its all about choice. Not
Edit after the above post: Won't be because they are training either.
As you said its all about choice. Not
Edit after the above post: Won't be because they are training either.
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Waren 9
But I thought this forum would be ideal for such a post, at least it is out there for all to see. (albeit the post is longwinded and difficult to follow)
Continual cloak and dagger does not assist any profession.
If all you were going to do "was suggest that there might be a slightly more effective and constructive way of making progress than this forum." all you had to do was post exactly that... on this forum.
But I thought this forum would be ideal for such a post, at least it is out there for all to see. (albeit the post is longwinded and difficult to follow)
Continual cloak and dagger does not assist any profession.
If all you were going to do "was suggest that there might be a slightly more effective and constructive way of making progress than this forum." all you had to do was post exactly that... on this forum.
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There are alot of Chess pieces on the board with alot of people watching too and IF Pornstar came up with a better package than the current low standard in NZ, they could effectively ground the competition - Jetcon, PB and AirNZ with resignations... "if they were smart"!
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uratool,
the previous JPA to say the least were a disgrace...but the curent group are busting their humps to get a better deal for all J* crew, while trying to establish AIPA as the representing union.
the HBA & AV bases will be closed with the crew having to relocate to DRW....or take a redundancy package.
their is going to be an FSO out this week or next explaining the above..
if this is the case, management will soon see what a group of disgruntled employees can cost the company....
stand by.
the previous JPA to say the least were a disgrace...but the curent group are busting their humps to get a better deal for all J* crew, while trying to establish AIPA as the representing union.
the HBA & AV bases will be closed with the crew having to relocate to DRW....or take a redundancy package.
their is going to be an FSO out this week or next explaining the above..
if this is the case, management will soon see what a group of disgruntled employees can cost the company....
stand by.
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Not once they get their NZ domestic operation up and going. The current CHC base will be closed as soon as possible for eba pilot's, why would they operate that base at 30-40% greater crew costs if they don,t have too.
We have just seen how ready they are to close bases and uproot at least 120 tech crew at the drop of a hat. CHC is gone as far as jetstar EBA pilot's are concerned, it's just a matter of time.
We have just seen how ready they are to close bases and uproot at least 120 tech crew at the drop of a hat. CHC is gone as far as jetstar EBA pilot's are concerned, it's just a matter of time.
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Waren 9,
As I have previously stated in this thread "Continual cloak and dagger does not assist any profession".
So please refrain from your rude and somewhat poorly written Private Messages you keep sending me.
Oh, P.S. For others, they are printed below.
P.P.S. I have not nor ever have, poked the JPA with a stick or any other pointy object.
PM's
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UDH
A PM is exactly that- a private message.
If I wanted you or anyone else to have read it, I would have posted it publicly or cc'd you in.
Pull your head in.
W9
your jpa posts
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Uratool and UDH
Poking (the JPA) with a stick on an annonymous forum I think is both somewhat cowardly and unproductive.
Given that management are aware of what gets posted here, is the picture of a pilot group prepared to show division publicly what you really what you intend to put across?
If youre both that concerned, roll up your sleeves, give the JPA a ring and ask how you can help.
Thats not to say we cant all have some bloody big arguments about where the JPA should be pointing, but to do it here? Surely you guys are smarter than that.
W9
As I have previously stated in this thread "Continual cloak and dagger does not assist any profession".
So please refrain from your rude and somewhat poorly written Private Messages you keep sending me.
Oh, P.S. For others, they are printed below.
P.P.S. I have not nor ever have, poked the JPA with a stick or any other pointy object.
PM's
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UDH
A PM is exactly that- a private message.
If I wanted you or anyone else to have read it, I would have posted it publicly or cc'd you in.
Pull your head in.
W9
your jpa posts
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Uratool and UDH
Poking (the JPA) with a stick on an annonymous forum I think is both somewhat cowardly and unproductive.
Given that management are aware of what gets posted here, is the picture of a pilot group prepared to show division publicly what you really what you intend to put across?
If youre both that concerned, roll up your sleeves, give the JPA a ring and ask how you can help.
Thats not to say we cant all have some bloody big arguments about where the JPA should be pointing, but to do it here? Surely you guys are smarter than that.
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Seeing as JQ pilots refuse to countenance having proper, professionally run and resourced industrial relations advocacy, and fund growth and promotions by undercutting other pilots to obtain aircraft and flying then I and many others on this forum have no sympathy for you.
You reap what you sow.....
You reap what you sow.....