Jetstar announces domestic NZ operations

[slamer.]

Air NZ paying $107K....for what and in which currency...?

[Fruet Mich]

So lets put this into perpective,

Australia across the board has cheaper food, rent, clothing, fuel, transport and most probably by in large cheaper to live in every aspect in life compared to NewZealand.

Now lets do some comparisons to Jetstar Australia salary to that of its kuwu comparison at todays exchange rate of 1.25.

Jet* Aus A320 salaries as listed on their website

Jetstar Australia Capt: $145,195.00AUD $181,493.75NZD
Jetstar NZ Capt: $104,000.00AUD $130,000.00NZD

Jetstar Australia FO: $79,857.00AUD $99,821.25NZD Level 1
Jetstar NZ FO: $63,885.60AUD $70,000.00NZD

How much for a A320 rating? $45,000NZD?

Great return on investment!!!

And correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that a Qantas or AirNZ long haul flight attendant will earn more than a Kuwu(mexican) A320 first officer.

Now add the retention payments, company bonus payments, 11 days off a roster for the Jet* Aus pilots and 5/8's of bugger all for the kuwu's. Hmmm

Arrreeeeebah!!

Jetstar you really are taking the puss!!

I'd love to hear an explaination from Jetstar as to why the kuwu's should earn 30% less?

[Goat Whisperer]

It's worse than that Freut, the exchange rate nowadays puts the currencies about 24% apart.

[waren9]

Not sure why you guys keep bringing up the currency conversion rates?

Only relavant if you want to spend that currency outside the country you earned it.

You dont hear the Poms converting Australian salaries to Pounds Sterling and then laughing out loud, do you?

In my experience you spend a dollar in NZ like you would spend a dollar in Aussie. Sure, there are differences but the buying power between each of them in their own countries is not 24% different.

Of far more relevance is income tax paid on those amounts. At those sorts of salaries the Kiwi will have less dollars in his hand after tax. The income tax calculators on the ATO and NZ IRD websites will give you some idea.

[UDH]

W9,

The relevance of AUD vs NZD: J* NZ will be using VH registered acft initially, therefore Aust AoC, therefore Aust licensed pilots.
All this Aust, Aust, Aust so why not Aust terms and conditions.... but wait, when the NZ operations start flying within Aust.. There it is again: AUST.

That is why the comparison

[waren9]

UDH,

I agree wholeheartedly.

But if Fruet is going to point out the differences in the value of the currencies its gotta be pointed out that we're not being asked to live in Australia on NZ money.

Yet.

I pray we never get to that.

[Dash1]

Until Jetstar NZ open their Sydney, Melbourne, Cairns and Perth bases.

[distracted cockroach]

so looks like Jetstar Aus A320 drivers get roughly the same as Air NZ A320 drivers...in NZ dollars. Air NZ pilots probably have more to gain in alowances and conditions (like they don't have to buy their own manuals?)
Means Jetstar NZ are offering roughly 25% below market rates....nice one team!!
Agree with Waren9....an NZ$ in NZ is worth pretty much the same as an AUD in Aus. All this stuff about food and rent etc being so much more expensive in NZ is nonsense, especially if you compare apples with apples.

[dueweno]

If your going to be fair how about factoring in you can go hunting, fishing (fresh or saltwater) skiing tramping you name it all within a few hours of where you choose to live. Until you try it its pretty hard to calculate that!!

[zube]

Tramping?

We have our own tramps here in Oz.

[hotnhigh]

One and only question at Jet* NZ interview.
Do you have an Oz ATPL?
Excellent, next......

[Dash1]

Another question could be;
'Do you have A330 experience?'
Thanks for that.....

[lunars]

J*NZL

interview any info?
how many wanabees any offers made so far?
when is the planned start date ?
all info would be great

[CI300]

ok. So if I get this right. Jetstar operating vh reg aircraft in NZ, means bad things for both sides of the ditch. It does sound like they may not have had the response they expected... Hold out brothers.

[hot tuna]

I quite agree , although Jet * have operated VH reg'd A320's ex CHC for a while now, albeit on Aus T& C's.

[Fruet Mich]

W9, I don't think you fully understand my earlier post?

So what you're affectively saying is that you would be happy to live in Syd earning $65k flying an A320? Pay for your medical yourself, pay for your AvSec card yourself and get paid DTA's only when on overnights?

It's not about exchange rate. It's about being paid a salary that is kept in line with the current market rates for a pilot flying an equivalent machine.

Forget exchange rates, get that right out of your head. Think salary minus living expenses equals expendable income.

For instance, you're paid a salary of $65000NZD, you pay $1.58 per litre for fuel, $500 per week for a very average house, on average about 20% more in food prices plus GST, and across the board is more expensive for everything at listed prices. So more expensive to live NZ than in Australia.

If you are paid $65k and live in Australia, you will have a lot more expendable income at the end of the week once you have paid for all your living expenses.

If you are paid $65k and live in NZ, you have less left over. Get it? This is the point. Market rates for an equivalent pilot and a little bit less of a puss take from Jet* Hope this is a little clearer than my earlier thread.

Again, I'd like to hear why Jetstar thinks Kiwis should be paid $65k NZD and Aussies should be paid $79k AUD. Got it?

Insult case and point!

[framer]

I've recently lived in both countries and found it hard to believe that NZ was more expensive. A quick google offered these results of the Mercer 2008 Cost of Living survey.

Sydney continues to be the most expensive city for expatriates in this region, moving up six places in the overall ranking to reach 15th place (score 104.1). Melbourne follows in 36th place (score 94.2), jumping 28 places and Perth climbs 31 places to reach ranking number 53 (score 88.5).

Both Australian and New Zealand cities are moving up in the rankings due to the appreciation of their local currencies against the US dollar. New Zealand’s cities remain the less costly option for expatriates, however, with Auckland in 78th place (score 81) and Wellington in 93 (score 77.6).

Mercer’s survey covers 143 cities across six continents and measures the comparative cost of over 200 items in each location, including housing, transport, food, clothing, household goods and entertainment. It is the world’s most comprehensive cost of living survey and is used to help multinational companies and governments determine compensation allowances for their expatriate employees.

[waren9]

Forget exchange rates, get that right out of your head.

Forgive me, but thats pretty much all your last post discussed.

Not disagreeing with the thrust of what you are trying to get across but remember when guys bandy about the phrase

Market rates for an equivalent pilot

it is by definition where supply does infact meet demand. "Market rates" is not equal to the highest paid or even necessarily what you and I would like to be paid.

If Jetstar does find enough pilots at the pay it offers, by definition they must be close to "market rates". Supply will have satisfied demand.

I agree, its sh1t but ultimately, if you as an individual doesnt like it, dont work there. Im not living in SYD on A$65k and I dont know anyone who would.

Regarding the costs of living comparisons between NZ and Aussie, and SYD in particular, I'm with Framer. You and I will just have to agree to disagree.

Cheers
W9

[Flava Saver]

Well, as I previously mentioned, people keen to join should have held out. Its official. JQ are offering better conditions to internal guys in Aus to go across due to lack of interest. So I wonder if the guys who have already jumped the gun and signed on for the first offer, will be on the original $$$$?

[RadioSaigon]

Originally Posted by Fruet Mich

...Australia across the board has cheaper food, rent, clothing, fuel, transport and most probably by in large cheaper to live in every aspect in life compared to NewZealand...

I have no idea where you are getting your figures from FM -of for that matter, which planet you are on, but let me tell you for a fact the cost of living in AUS is far in excess of anything you may be paying in NZ. I've been here (AUS) now for 8 years and I reckon conservatively I pay a 30-40% premium for living & working in the West Island. The "cheap food" you tout is consistently of a poorer standard, less variety and vastly more expensive, particularly meat. The food standard in your average NZ supermarket is beyond what you might be able to find in a delicatessen here. Rents? I've been obliged in the past to pay AUD$180 per week for a dorm bed shared with 8 others in a backpackers -it was all I could find or afford. Cheaper how? Clothing? I pay in AUD roughly the same as I would pay in NZ for a comparable item. Not cheaper at all. Fuel? The oil companies here regularly jack the price of a litre of fuel on holiday weekends, school holidays etc., just to gouge as much as they can out of the motorist. I've never seen that happen in NZ. Further, in NZ wherever I pull in to buy fuel I know within a few cents per litre what I'll be paying. Not here! There can be as much as 30-40c per litre difference between the SYD price and what I pay locally 2 hours up the road!!! Go into the country, you'll be guessing what dollar you are going to be paying.

That's just a few of the things I noticed on a trip home just a few weeks ago.

Please FM, try to establish some facts before you post drivel like that again. Your prejudices are showing.